A Riverside eyesore.

[TurismoDreamin]

I've seen it everyday since i've driven by it but i've never given it much thought until today.

I was on my way home from work today on 81st and Riverside driving southbound. I took notice to the construction of the new casino on my right and as the road started to curve, I looked to my left and saw that brown fence. Behind this fence is a large mobile home park.

I think this large tract of land can be utilized in better ways than a place to park a residential structure. I mean with all the development that particular area has seen already with the Kohl's shopping center down the street, the Riverwalk, the aquarium, and the new casino, I just think that land is more valuable than what it's being used for.

Comments??

[TheArtist]

I thought you were going to say the casino was the eyesore. I am sure most people do not pay much attention to the mobile home park.  Once its completed, your eyes probably wont be drawn to anything else but that casino lol.  

The markets will take care of that mobile home park if property in that area really becomes valuable. There is still a lot of available land to develop on in that area though before anyone may consider wanting that specific property.  The tribe bought the property opposite the casino on the other side of the river.  Rumor has it that they plan to eventually build their own riverwalk there and a pedestrian bridge to it  The Jenks Riverwalk and theirs will link together with the resort hotel in the middle to form one long riverwalk.  

Just out of curiosity though.  I wonder if the original rendering we saw of the casino is still what they are planning to build.  A lot went on between the time we saw that original rendering and now.

Just found this actually.

http://www.cuningham.com/portfolio/casinos/Muscogee.html#

I was wondering about the level of the property they were building on and why it was so low next to the river and why they didn't build it up. Then I was guessing about what appeared to be the strange way the iron was going up.  It appeared that the casino floor was going to be well above the ground. I was also wondering why the area for the parking lot appeared to be so small. In this project description it says that under the casino will be a 495 car parking garage.  Guess that answers most of my questions right there lol.

Notice in the first rendering on that site how there is going to be a front drive about two stories above riverside.  

[patric]

quote:

Nothing like a few high-power spotlights to complete the environmental rape of an endangered species habitat.

So much for the traditional "Native American one-with-nature" perception.[V]
It's just so wrong.

[tulsa1603]

quote:Originally posted by TheArtist

I thought you were going to say the casino was the eyesore. I am sure most people do not pay much attention to the mobile home park.  Once its completed, your eyes probably wont be drawn to anything else but that casino lol.  

The markets will take care of that mobile home park if property in that area really becomes valuable. There is still a lot of available land to develop on in that area though before anyone may consider wanting that specific property.  The tribe bought the property opposite the casino on the other side of the river.  Rumor has it that they plan to eventually build their own riverwalk there and a pedestrian bridge to it  The Jenks Riverwalk and theirs will link together with the resort hotel in the middle to form one long riverwalk.  

Just out of curiosity though.  I wonder if the original rendering we saw of the casino is still what they are planning to build.  A lot went on between the time we saw that original rendering and now.

Just found this actually.

http://www.cuningham.com/portfolio/casinos/Muscogee.html#

I was wondering about the level of the property they were building on and why it was so low next to the river and why they didn't build it up. Then I was guessing about what appeared to be the strange way the iron was going up.  It appeared that the casino floor was going to be well above the ground. I was also wondering why the area for the parking lot appeared to be so small. In this project description it says that under the casino will be a 495 car parking garage.  Guess that answers most of my questions right there lol.

Notice in the first rendering on that site how there is going to be a front drive about two stories above riverside.  

So are they going to tear down the hideous structures that are there currently?  Please say yes...please say yes...please say yes....  The mobile home park has never really gotten to me, I guess...that stretch of Riverside was only completed 7 years ago...takes time to develop I guess.

[TurismoDreamin]

Well, I actually kinda like the idea of the casino. But I dunno because like most people, i'm sure, I usually don't take much notice to that mobile home park either. But it just so happens that I took a gander in that direction with different thoughts in mind. Property values are definately sky-rocketing to some extent in that area, no doubt. And while there are other area's that can be developed, that particular plot of land just seems like it's in such a prime location, connecting both Riverside and Lewis, not to mention that it is pretty much riverfront property and everyone and their mom wants to jump on that asap.

Now that they're starting to erect the steel framework of the casino, i'm finally getting a feel for the scale of the project. It's larger than I expected. I did see a possible parking problem though since the only designated parking lot i've seen thus far is on the south side of the site. I wonder how many floors will be in this casino?? Looks like it could fit 3 or 4 within the framework so far.

[TheArtist]

I found an old article written before they put the new casino complex on hold for a bit.  Change of developers I believe. I am having a hard time understanding what they are talking about.  

http://www.muscogeenation-nsn.gov/MNN/MNN%20Online/november_05.pdf

My guess is that it says.  The old little casino will continue to operate right up until the new one opens.  So though it may not be operating as a casino afterwards, there is no indication of whether it will be torn down.

Also what interests me is that the article says. IF I am reading it right.  That what we see in the rendering is just the first phase of a 3 phase project.  Later phases will include a hotel, theater, stores, and restaurants.

I also found this that says the Hotel will be started right after the new casino is finished.

http://www.muscogeenation-nsn.gov/MNN/MNN%20Online/november_05.pdf

[waterboy]

Mobile home parks are a great investment. The cost of the construction is minimal, rents are comparatively high, maintenance is low and the profits quite good. It will take some good money to entice the owner to give it all up.

My brother lived in one of those homes when tornadoes and high water swept through there in '74. He tried to escape and made it over the rickety metal bridge over the creek that runs through the mobile park, but his little van flooded out on Lewis near ORU and he had to huddle with his wife and baby and listen to the tornado pass overhead.

In my opinion the casino and their plans are as much an atrocity as their obscenely lit sign out front. With a little luck another tornadoe and flood will restore it to nature.

[Who Cares]

quote:Originally posted by TurismoDreamin

I've seen it everyday since i've driven by it but i've never given it much thought until today.

I was on my way home from work today on 81st and Riverside driving southbound. I took notice to the construction of the new casino on my right and as the road started to curve, I looked to my left and saw that brown fence. Behind this fence is a large mobile home park.

I think this large tract of land can be utilized in better ways than a place to park a residential structure. I mean with all the development that particular area has seen already with the Kohl's shopping center down the street, the Riverwalk, the aquarium, and the new casino, I just think that land is more valuable than what it's being used for.

Comments??

One point to make is that trailor park was there years before riverside drive was. back when that area was mainly country.

[TurismoDreamin]

quote:Originally posted by Who Cares

quote:Originally posted by TurismoDreamin

I've seen it everyday since i've driven by it but i've never given it much thought until today.

I was on my way home from work today on 81st and Riverside driving southbound. I took notice to the construction of the new casino on my right and as the road started to curve, I looked to my left and saw that brown fence. Behind this fence is a large mobile home park.

I think this large tract of land can be utilized in better ways than a place to park a residential structure. I mean with all the development that particular area has seen already with the Kohl's shopping center down the street, the Riverwalk, the aquarium, and the new casino, I just think that land is more valuable than what it's being used for.

Comments??

One point to make is that trailor park was there years before riverside drive was. back when that area was mainly country.

I know I know, lol. I remember when Riverside ended on 71st Street, when 71st Street itself was never 6 lanes wide, the times I had when driving on the Jenks pedestrian bridge with my grandparents, and when "South Tulsa" was virutally nonexistent. Now everyone's trying to play catch up since development out-ran infrastructure. Now you see them widening two lane roads to become 4-5 lanes and intersections become supersections galore.

Yes, that's true mobile home parks are a great investment, but even more so can be said about commercial developments. I'm sure as the city grows, that that particular plot of land will raise some eyebrows of many other itchy fingered business folks.

[inteller]

"gaming floor atop an 495-car parking garage"

hey, this is the best thing I have heard in a while.  certainly better than the surface parking lot disaster in downtown.  Maybe the City could learn a few things from the indians.

[cannon_fodder]

Until I can play cards without paying the house for the privilege or throw some dice... Oklahoma has no casinos.  Why pretend that the form of gambling with the worst odds that brings the house the most money the fastest (SLOTS) is somehow less evil than other forms that involve skill and take time to lose your money?

Jerks.

[ttownclown]

quote:Originally posted by cannon_fodder

Until I can play cards without paying the house for the privilege or throw some dice... Oklahoma has no casinos.  Why pretend that the form of gambling with the worst odds that brings the house the most money the fastest (SLOTS) is somehow less evil than other forms that involve skill and take time to lose your money?

Jerks.

You can thank the state for the ante rule.

[RecycleMichael]

This is not true. The tribes blamed the state, but it was their idea and they put it in their gaming compact.

It was all just a lie to overcharge stupid Oklahoma gamblers who didn't know any better.

In fact, The Osage Million Dollar Elm Casino just north of downtown Tulsa has stopped charging antes on blackjack on Sunday, Monday and Wednesdays.

[RLitterell]

quote:Originally posted by TurismoDreamin

I've seen it everyday since i've driven by it but i've never given it much thought until today.

I was on my way home from work today on 81st and Riverside driving southbound. I took notice to the construction of the new casino on my right and as the road started to curve, I looked to my left and saw that brown fence. Behind this fence is a large mobile home park.

I think this large tract of land can be utilized in better ways than a place to park a residential structure. I mean with all the development that particular area has seen already with the Kohl's shopping center down the street, the Riverwalk, the aquarium, and the new casino, I just think that land is more valuable than what it's being used for.

Comments??

And you would move those people where? Don't they have a right to have a home?

[patric]

The link moved --
http://www.cuninghamgroup.com/invent/play/casinos/creek_nation_casino

-- but the environmentally unfriendly ad lighting apparently remains.

Maybe they'll train a couple of megawatt floodlights on a giant American flag in a patriotic gesture to compensate for trashing the bald eagle habitat.
Yes, patriotism trumps environment, that's it.