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« Reply #60 on: June 14, 2019, 02:04:41 pm »

 I think itís a great development with a great design and a great location. So I guess not everybody is upset about this!
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« Reply #61 on: June 14, 2019, 02:18:00 pm »

"Seemingly unaffected"?  The usual weather patterns we are having now are not what they were when I was a kid.  Even the official planting zones have changed. We were I believe a 6, but are now in zone 7, and I will likely see in my lifetime us be in zone 8.  Which is fine with me for it is a bother bringing in my tropical plants each year (though interestingly enough I got lazy and dug up only about half my elephant ears last year and surprise surprise all the ones I left in the ground are going gangbusters this year).  Whether we end up being in a more tropical environment or desert is yet to be seen but some of the old climate projections I saw favored the tropical version.

The nasty trick on us being in Oklahoma is that with the weakening jet streams that blob of super cold air over the north pole may on occasion "escape" and drift our way. So until a "new normal" settles in (who knows when or what that will be) we will be in for some occasional extreme events.

To shift the conversation back to the Outlet Mall, I think it would be lovely with some palm trees  Cool 

I completely agree that climate has and will continue to change here, just that we aren't in the areas under extreme threat that are projected to create "climate refugees" (such as large parts of the middle east and Africa; and currently, India which is largely under extreme drought since 2015). And most people here will probably just say it's all cyclic and just accept the variations as Oklahoma weather. It does "seem" like weather has changed here a lot, and we have seen record extremes over and over various times, but older folks will claim nothing is like the Great Depression (even though the last big drought we had was actually worse) and recurrent flooding that used to be common (even though we've added tons of new retention ponds).

Maybe the roughest impact of climate change will be the areas that won't get enough water. Oklahoma doesn't appear to be in those high-risk zones, although the drought earlier this decade was pretty bad, we were still head and shoulders better than most of the Southwest and far better than large parts of India/Middle-East/Africa when it comes to water scarcity. Not only is drought a normal part of the natural cycles there, it is now even further exacerbated by high population, over-farming and climate change.
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« Reply #62 on: June 14, 2019, 02:21:50 pm »

Respectfully, this outlet mall is emblematic of the industry. While it is true that this outlet mall is not to blame for all the issues raised in this thread, this one is in our community. We had no voice in the conversation about building the last ugly, environmentally unsound, wasteful and short-sighted mall project because that one was on the other side of the country. Moreover, ignoring the global context because this project or that is so small in the grand scheme is exactly how we will fail to "turn the ship." As a global society we have to recognize and commit ourselves to individual actions that contribute to the solution. These will all be small steps but it is only collective action that will put us on a sustainable course.

Well said. I am willing to "die on this hill" when it comes to at least opposing things like 71st and Riverside shopping center and this one. Tulsa may be so far gone in walkability, but there's a few areas with reason to have hope. The river is something we should all fight for. I hope the environment becomes something we are all mindful of and consider day-to-day, especially when supporting companies and development. This is late-stage globalization. The data is out there an it's bad. Time for changing how we build and live.
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« Reply #63 on: June 14, 2019, 05:20:11 pm »

To shift the conversation back to the Outlet Mall, I think it would be lovely with some palm trees  Cool 

I like palm trees, preferably with coconuts.
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« Reply #64 on: June 14, 2019, 05:23:08 pm »

Respectfully, this outlet mall is emblematic of the industry. While it is true that this outlet mall is not to blame for all the issues raised in this thread, this one is in our community. We had no voice in the conversation about building the last ugly, environmentally unsound, wasteful and short-sighted mall project because that one was on the other side of the country. Moreover, ignoring the global context because this project or that is so small in the grand scheme is exactly how we will fail to "turn the ship." As a global society we have to recognize and commit ourselves to individual actions that contribute to the solution. These will all be small steps but it is only collective action that will put us on a sustainable course.

Unfortunately, everything we can possibly do will not overcome the damage by places like China.

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« Reply #65 on: June 16, 2019, 02:22:56 pm »

Well said. I am willing to "die on this hill" when it comes to at least opposing things like 71st and Riverside shopping center and this one. Tulsa may be so far gone in walkability, but there's a few areas with reason to have hope. The river is something we should all fight for. I hope the environment becomes something we are all mindful of and consider day-to-day, especially when supporting companies and development. This is late-stage globalization. The data is out there an it's bad. Time for changing how we build and live.

I agree on the river, though some damage has already been done around 96th & Riverside.  Jenks has done the best job of fronting developments along the river but the area lacks cohesion.  I don't know how many people actually walk from the aquarium to Riverwalk Crossing even though it's not far.  The river trail doesn't connect these two areas. 

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« Reply #66 on: June 17, 2019, 02:01:17 pm »

I don't know how many people actually walk from the aquarium to Riverwalk Crossing even though it's not far.  The river trail doesn't connect these two areas. 

The walk is easy.  Maybe 15 minutes, tops.  And the trail does basically run all the way between the two.  (Not the riverside trail, but the "aquarium trail" that runs along the drive.)  It would be nice if/when they extend the riverside trail all the way down behind the holiday Inn, but even then I think that a lot of people would drive it rather than walk, but that's because of the people, not ease of access.
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