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« Reply #15 on: August 12, 2018, 09:23:14 pm » |
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I don't think there is an answer, you would like to think common sense would figure in there somewhere, but we all know that doesn't happen. Best answer, follow the money.
Maybe right. Maybe the answer is in deterrence. If a business gets a reputation for using tribal loopholes to do an end-run around the city, the city might remember that the next time that business asks for a variance or pleads hardship. Maybe there will be a non-binding resolution... I would make a terrible politician. |
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"Tulsa will lay off police and firemen before we will cut back on unnecessarily wasteful streetlights." -- March 18, 2009 TulsaNow Forum
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« Reply #16 on: August 13, 2018, 08:51:32 am » |
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I disagree with the billboard, but that's my opinion.
I'm guessing that's OU's opinion as well (OU Schusterman center at 41st & Yale). I live ¾ mile from this billboard and spotted it on Saturday. It's huge, it's hideous. I'll be boycotting any business that advertises on it. Thank you OU for getting this removed (premature, but I'm confident). Edit: Ugh... I see OU's advertising on the billboard.. Boren was huge on aesthetics |
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« Reply #17 on: August 13, 2018, 09:50:36 am » |
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<snip> I'll be boycotting any business that advertises on it.<snip>
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« Reply #18 on: August 13, 2018, 10:05:16 am » |
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Maybe right. Maybe the answer is in deterrence. If a business gets a reputation for using tribal loopholes to do an end-run around the city, the city might remember that the next time that business asks for a variance or pleads hardship.
Maybe there will be a non-binding resolution...
I would make a terrible politician.
The only reason you would make a bad politician is that you won't compromise your principles and common sense to try and appease everyone, and this is a good thing. |
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« Reply #19 on: August 13, 2018, 11:51:40 am » |
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I'm against all billboard on city streets, video and non-video. Maybe along highways they a little bit acceptable but not on streets towering over neighborhoods. I also think we should stop allowing commercial sings on poles.
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« Reply #20 on: August 13, 2018, 12:12:35 pm » |
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Let's start a list!
Just from Local news stories you see: St Jude Children's Research Hospital Riddle Plant Farm and Landscaping Gordon Outdoor Advertising OU Physicians Eyemart Express Mothers Against Drunk Driving Green Country Federal Credit Union Tulsa Fraternal Order of Police Perini Eyecare Enterline Law Firm Crushed Red Six Guns Construction Ben Fu for District Attorney Gada Homes  |
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« Reply #21 on: August 13, 2018, 12:44:47 pm » |
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It gets pretty complicated, but if the land is a restricted allotment it may require approval by the BIA or a Tulsa County Court to enter into a lease like the billboard company lease.
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« Reply #22 on: August 14, 2018, 09:32:38 am » |
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There is something similar in BA at the corner of 81st and Main street, across from their PAC. Smoke shop with a HUGE billboard very low to the ground - bottom edge maybe 10-12 ft from ground. I could stand on the roof of my pickup and touch the bottom of it.
I make it a point to note the advertisers on stuff like that and when I am in the market for whatever they are selling, call them to let them know I won't consider them, and why. I know it iwll never make a difference, but it at least lets them know someone is watching and paying attention.
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"So he brandished a gun, never shot anyone or anything right?" --TeeDub, 17 Feb 2018.
I don’t share my thoughts because I think it will change the minds of people who think differently. I share my thoughts to show the people who already think like me that they are not alone.
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« Reply #23 on: August 16, 2018, 08:52:56 am » |
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« Reply #24 on: August 17, 2018, 10:20:55 am » |
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They should share their love by adding audio.
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« Reply #25 on: August 17, 2018, 11:36:22 am » |
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They should share their love by adding audio.
NOISE ORDINANCES?? WHAT NOISE ORDINANCES??? |
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« Reply #26 on: August 17, 2018, 11:47:51 am » |
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I don't understand how this is "restricted" Indian land. That term generally means that title is in held by the United States in trust for the tribe, or the Tribe owns it subject to federally mandated restrictions against alienation. In either situation, the Bureau of Indian Affairs must approve sales, leases, etc. I don't see where the BIA was involved in this at all.
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« Reply #27 on: August 17, 2018, 12:03:21 pm » |
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I don't understand how this is "restricted" Indian land. That term generally means that title is in held by the United States in trust for the tribe, or the Tribe owns it subject to federally mandated restrictions against alienation. In either situation, the Bureau of Indian Affairs must approve sales, leases, etc. I don't see where the BIA was involved in this at all.
The tribe owns it. Bought by Michelle Wolfe Voice June 2015. Her mailing address is the tribe realty office. MUSKOGEE CREEK NATION REALTY PO BOX 580 OKMULGEE, OK 74447 http://www.assessor.tulsacounty.org/assessor-property.php?account=R02075932102470&return=close |
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« Reply #28 on: August 17, 2018, 12:22:12 pm » |
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Just from Local news stories you see: St Jude Children's Research Hospital Riddle Plant Farm and Landscaping Gordon Outdoor Advertising OU Physicians Eyemart Express Mothers Against Drunk Driving Green Country Federal Credit Union Tulsa Fraternal Order of Police Perini Eyecare Enterline Law Firm Crushed Red Trust me the businesses are loving this! No press is bad press! Every time someone calls one of these businesses to complain tells them they got there money’s worth! So you are actually making them more money. |
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« Reply #29 on: August 17, 2018, 01:17:17 pm » |
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I don't understand how this is "restricted" Indian land. That term generally means that title is in held by the United States in trust for the tribe, or the Tribe owns it subject to federally mandated restrictions against alienation. In either situation, the Bureau of Indian Affairs must approve sales, leases, etc. I don't see where the BIA was involved in this at all.
It doesn't have to be owned by the tribe, it can also be owned by a tribal citizen. It sounds like the Creek Nation keeps information on reserved and trust land confidential unless required by federal law. Realty Trust Services
Our responsibilities are to understand the processes involved in assisting our Muscogee (Creek) Clients in researching land records. Our office understands the relationship our clients may or may not have with their land. Our office is in clear understanding the information we work with is privileged and protected unless pursuant to 43 Code of Federal Regulations 2.56(b). We understand these records may not be altered or destroyed except as authorized by 43 Code of Federal Regulations 2.52(c).
https://www.mcn-nsn.gov/services/realty-trust-services/ |
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