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« Reply #390 on: May 16, 2016, 07:53:57 am »

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None of the other local municipal tax measures that were part of the April 5 Vision vote are affected. The unaffected measures include three city of Tulsa propositions that are expected to raise about $800 million for public safety, economic development and public transit. Those taxes take effect Jan. 1.

Hopefully, this will only affect a small measure of the Vision 2025 initiative which garnered 64% of the vote.   It's important that Tulsa keeps the same momentum that Oklahoma City has with MAPS.   

Our two largest metropolitan areas need local support for initiatives like Vision 2025 & MAPS to keep up with the current trends to make both cities attractive to business & industry seeking to expand into our state.  Especially at a time when the State has hit a financial shortfall--making deep cuts to the bone.
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« Reply #391 on: May 16, 2016, 09:04:13 am »

Hopefully, this will only affect a small measure of the Vision 2025 initiative which garnered 64% of the vote.   It's important that Tulsa keeps the same momentum that Oklahoma City has with MAPS.   

Our two largest metropolitan areas need local support for initiatives like Vision 2025 & MAPS to keep up with the current trends to make both cities attractive to business & industry seeking to expand into our state.  Especially at a time when the State has hit a financial shortfall--making deep cuts to the bone.


Those aren't the main criteria to make the state/cities attractive to business/industry.  Education and infrastructure (roads, bridges, water, etc) are much higher on the list and we as a state are actively discouraging on that front.

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« Reply #392 on: May 16, 2016, 12:51:33 pm »

What many opponents (and even some proponents) of this tax feared is already happening:

http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/government/city-officials-defend-cuts-to/article_c856782f-5f58-5fca-be53-c3e88ada47f4.html

This is not surprising and will probably be followed by about 150 police positions cut and 60 firefighters. Great job, Dewey! You really had the public going there! Bravo!

So basically we are getting 1 new 911 operators? AWESOME! Wonder how long before Dewey will shift this the same way for Fire and Police?

Exactly the reason why this should have NEVER been funded through Vision.
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« Reply #393 on: January 18, 2017, 03:55:53 pm »

Some dates are now being applied to the Vision projects:

The new pedestrian bridge at The Gathering Place will be built in 2018
New Zink Dam at 33rd will be built in 2019
The Convention Center expansion/renovation/conversion of old arena  in 2019
Gilcrease Museum expansion built in 2020
Tulsa Zoo Expansion in 2020
South Tulsa/Jenks dam built around 2024

http://kotv.images.worldnow.com/library/37be184c-5714-4df5-99b9-f600852ef67d.pdf
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« Reply #394 on: January 19, 2017, 11:26:01 am »

Some dates are now being applied to the Vision projects:

The new pedestrian bridge at The Gathering Place will be built in 2018
New Zink Dam at 33rd will be built in 2019
The Convention Center expansion/renovation/conversion of old arena  in 2019
Gilcrease Museum expansion built in 2020
Tulsa Zoo Expansion in 2020
South Tulsa/Jenks dam built around 2024

http://kotv.images.worldnow.com/library/37be184c-5714-4df5-99b9-f600852ef67d.pdf


That is disappointing if Gilcrease won't start until 2020. Gilcrease expansion is about half funded by TU so really they could start earlier and I would expect some of the other projects could get loans/bonds to start earlier as well even though the anticipated funds would come later. I would expect Gilcrease of all those would push to get dirt moving asap to get their name out there and boost name recognition as a top-notch museum. Waiting that long would just forego that much more revenue.

I would be impressed if the Zink Dam is built so quickly compared to everything else on there. Hope they do go through with it quickly. I wonder how the pedestrian bridge/Zink Dam construction will hamper Gathering Place activities. Will be a bit unfortunate for that to complete just in time for a couple more big construction projects but should be worth it.
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« Reply #395 on: January 19, 2017, 01:40:06 pm »

That is disappointing if Gilcrease won't start until 2020. Gilcrease expansion is about half funded by TU so really they could start earlier and I would expect some of the other projects could get loans/bonds to start earlier as well even though the anticipated funds would come later. I would expect Gilcrease of all those would push to get dirt moving asap to get their name out there and boost name recognition as a top-notch museum. Waiting that long would just forego that much more revenue.

I would be impressed if the Zink Dam is built so quickly compared to everything else on there. Hope they do go through with it quickly. I wonder how the pedestrian bridge/Zink Dam construction will hamper Gathering Place activities. Will be a bit unfortunate for that to complete just in time for a couple more big construction projects but should be worth it.

Maybe the dam/whitewater flume and bridge projects can be done during Phase 2 of the Gathering Place.  That includes the Tulsa Children's Museum and other improvements at the south end of the park.  Not sure if the mixed-use housing and the new trail along Crow Creek are part of that phase or a Phase 3.  Still lots to be done after the initial park opens later this year.
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« Reply #396 on: January 19, 2017, 03:44:52 pm »

That is disappointing if Gilcrease won't start until 2020. Gilcrease expansion is about half funded by TU so really they could start earlier and I would expect some of the other projects could get loans/bonds to start earlier as well even though the anticipated funds would come later. I would expect Gilcrease of all those would push to get dirt moving asap to get their name out there and boost name recognition as a top-notch museum. Waiting that long would just forego that much more revenue.

I would be impressed if the Zink Dam is built so quickly compared to everything else on there. Hope they do go through with it quickly. I wonder how the pedestrian bridge/Zink Dam construction will hamper Gathering Place activities. Will be a bit unfortunate for that to complete just in time for a couple more big construction projects but should be worth it.

It would not surprise me if a re-do of the Zink Dam had already been factored into the staging of The Gathering Place either based on the confidence it would get rebuilt in a tax package or a certain private donor or donors would pay to have it done.
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« Reply #397 on: January 20, 2017, 08:16:35 am »

Gilclrease just did a major expansion largely funded by TU and the Helmrich's, $28,000,000 back in 2014.

http://www.newson6.com/story/26462158/tulsans-get-a-sneak-peek-at-gilcrease-28m-expansion

Obviously, that is not the massive public display area they want or need to properly display s small fraction of what they have.  But to design and contract a great public space takes time.  To plan the displays, prepare the art, and strengthen relationships with the art community takes time.  Three years is might be a fair amount of time even if the project was fully funded today.
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« Reply #398 on: January 20, 2017, 08:55:17 am »

It would not surprise me if a re-do of the Zink Dam had already been factored into the staging of The Gathering Place either based on the confidence it would get rebuilt in a tax package or a certain private donor or donors would pay to have it done.
The Zink Dam improvements were mutually coordinated with the Gathering Place design which functions well with or without the Zink improvements but definitely better with IMHO.   
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« Reply #399 on: May 15, 2018, 03:34:29 pm »

Some dates are now being applied to the Vision projects:

The new pedestrian bridge at The Gathering Place will be built in 2018
New Zink Dam at 33rd will be built in 2019
The Convention Center expansion/renovation/conversion of old arena  in 2019
Gilcrease Museum expansion built in 2020
Tulsa Zoo Expansion in 2020
South Tulsa/Jenks dam built around 2024

http://kotv.images.worldnow.com/library/37be184c-5714-4df5-99b9-f600852ef67d.pdf


We know the pedestrian bridge has been pushed back and discussed in another thread.  Hopefully when the Zink Dam improvements are done it can be in conjunction with the new ped bridge.  While the Gathering Place doesn't need to have these improvements to function it makes it a lot better.  If I remember it correctly the dam raises the water level in Zink Lake by 3 ft. which should make an impact on the river scenery all the way up past I-244.

I believe the other projects are still on schedule for 2019/2020.  I have no idea on what the latest is with the Jenks low water dam but I imagine the Creek's wanting to get that project moving with all of their investments in that area.

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« Reply #400 on: May 16, 2018, 07:10:10 am »

If we are going to get started on the pedestrian bridge in 2018, we should probably get some details together sooner rather than later.
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« Reply #401 on: May 16, 2018, 08:41:24 am »


I believe the other projects are still on schedule for 2019/2020.  I have no idea on what the latest is with the Jenks low water dam but I imagine the Creek's wanting to get that project moving with all of their investments in that area.


The South Tulsa/Jenks LWD is presently in what we believe are the final stages of the environmental permitting by the USACE.  As of the last schedule Construction I say it was differed by many years into the City of Tulsa's program.
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« Reply #402 on: May 16, 2018, 10:01:13 am »

The South Tulsa/Jenks LWD is presently in what we believe are the final stages of the environmental permitting by the USACE.  As of the last schedule Construction I say it was differed by many years into the City of Tulsa's program.

Is the 2024 timeline accurate then, or could we see this project start before then? 
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