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« Reply #3885 on: January 08, 2019, 12:44:48 pm »

Could not have said it better!

and so it begins...


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« Reply #3886 on: January 08, 2019, 01:03:23 pm »

As always, I can only guess.  There may be a "fight fire with fire" mentality kicking about now.

Trump's bullshit is believed by his followers partly due to FOX news and 700 club.

I feel some of his success is because he repeats his falsehoods, FOX does the same and Sanders follows suit.

The Democrats might feel they need to copy this as well as use profanity/grab him in the johnson mushroom type stuff.

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« Reply #3887 on: January 08, 2019, 02:53:43 pm »

So while this doesn't directly implicate Trump himself at this point, it is absolutely huge, it is evidence of direct cooperation between Russian Intelligence and the Trump campaign.

in court filings today, there was some faulty redaction in a filing by Manafort's legal team. Such superstars.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/legal-issues/paul-manafort-shared-2016-polling-data-with-russian-employee-according-to-court-filing/2019/01/08/3f562ad8-12b0-11e9-803c-4ef28312c8b9_story.html?utm_term=.98dd944a198a

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The special counsel alleged Manafort “lied about sharing polling data with Mr. Kilimnik related to the 2016 presidential campaign,” according to the unredacted filing, and discussed Ukrainian politics with Kilimnik during that time.

“Manafort ‘conceded’ that he discussed or may have discussed a Ukraine peace plan with Mr. Kilimnik on more than one occasion,” his attorneys quote the special counsel as saying, and “’acknowledged’ that he and Mr. Kilimnik met while they were both in Madrid.”

In his filing, Manafort’s lawyers said any inconsistencies in those interviews were unintentional.

“Issues and communications related to Ukrainian political events simply were not at the forefront of Mr. Manafort’s mind during the period at issue and it is not surprising at all that Mr. Manafort was unable to recall specific details prior to having his recollection refreshed,” they wrote.

Konstantin Kilimnik is Manafort's former employee in Ukraine and a "former" Russian GRU operative and associate of Oleg Deripaska, a Russian oligarch with close ties to Putin.

So Manafort gives polling data to Kilimnik. Polling data which would have been very helpful to the pro-Trump social media propaganda campaign in St Petersburg by Russian Intelligence. In turn Kilimnik talks to Manafort about a peace plan for Ukraine that favors Russia. Parts of which suddenly and mysteriously appear in the Republican Party Platform at the Republican National Convention.

Quid Pro Quo cooperation between Russian Intelligence and Trump's Campaign Chairman.

Additionally, while Manafort was supposed to be working with Mueller's team, he continued to work with the White House:
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Mueller also said Manafort lied about contacting Trump administration officials after Trump took office. Manafort had told investigators he had no direct or indirect contact with White House officials since Trump’s inauguration, but Manafort had been in touch with officials as recently as the spring, according to the filing.

Manafort told a colleague in February — four months after he was indicted — that he was in contact with a senior administration official through that time, prosecutors said. And in a text message, he authorized another person to speak with a White House official on May 26, they alleged.

More reading:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/01/08/paul-manafort-robert-mueller-plea-deal-russia-investigation/2485091002/
https://www.newsweek.com/paul-manafort-redaction-error-reveals-discussed-ukraine-peace-mueller-1284071

This all sounds like treason.

No wonder Trump is freaked out and has closed government.
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« Reply #3888 on: January 08, 2019, 03:33:46 pm »

So while this doesn't directly implicate Trump himself at this point, it is absolutely huge, it is evidence of direct cooperation between Russian Intelligence and the Trump campaign.

in court filings today, there was some faulty redaction in a filing by Manafort's legal team. Such superstars.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/legal-issues/paul-manafort-shared-2016-polling-data-with-russian-employee-according-to-court-filing/2019/01/08/3f562ad8-12b0-11e9-803c-4ef28312c8b9_story.html?utm_term=.98dd944a198a

Konstantin Kilimnik is Manafort's former employee in Ukraine and a "former" Russian GRU operative and associate of Oleg Deripaska, a Russian oligarch with close ties to Putin.

So Manafort gives polling data to Kilimnik. Polling data which would have been very helpful to the pro-Trump social media propaganda campaign in St Petersburg by Russian Intelligence. In turn Kilimnik talks to Manafort about a peace plan for Ukraine that favors Russia. Parts of which suddenly and mysteriously appear in the Republican Party Platform at the Republican National Convention.

Quid Pro Quo cooperation between Russian Intelligence and Trump's Campaign Chairman.

Additionally, while Manafort was supposed to be working with Mueller's team, he continued to work with the White House:
More reading:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/01/08/paul-manafort-robert-mueller-plea-deal-russia-investigation/2485091002/
https://www.newsweek.com/paul-manafort-redaction-error-reveals-discussed-ukraine-peace-mueller-1284071

This all sounds like treason.

No wonder Trump is freaked out and has closed government.

Don't get your hopes up too high that this will materialize into something.  He's the Teflon Don so far.
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« Reply #3889 on: January 11, 2019, 09:47:17 pm »

This all sounds like treason.


F.B.I. Opened Inquiry Into Whether Trump Was Secretly Working on Behalf of Russia

Following President Trump’s firing of James B. Comey as F.B.I. director, the bureau grew increasingly concerned about whether the president’s actions constituted anti-American activity.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/11/us/politics/fbi-trump-russia-inquiry.html

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« Reply #3890 on: January 12, 2019, 05:13:42 pm »

Comical Trump Moment dujour.

It's as if a pedophile priest were calling the choirboy bad names. 


Oh, wait - it IS a Pedophile in Chief....casting aspersions on a reasonable law enforcement officer.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-blasts-comey-apos-total-150018742.html

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« Reply #3891 on: January 13, 2019, 03:48:13 pm »

President Trump’s National Security Council asked the Pentagon to provide the White House with military options to strike Iran last year, generating concern at the Pentagon and State Department, current and former U.S. officials said.

“It definitely rattled people,” a former senior U.S. administration official said of the request. “People were shocked. It was mind-boggling how cavalier they were about hitting Iran.”


https://www.wsj.com/articles/white-house-sought-options-to-strike-iran-11547375404

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« Reply #3892 on: January 14, 2019, 11:50:32 am »

What the world needs now is love.

And a brief interlude....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_nLmM9kcBKs


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« Reply #3893 on: January 14, 2019, 05:04:10 pm »

Of course...


https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/coal-power-plant-shutdowns-surge-140449929.html

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« Reply #3894 on: January 15, 2019, 09:22:05 pm »

Once again, Trump is talking withdrawal from NATO.

"Gift of the century" to Russia according to US Admiral Stavridis. Former Supreme Allied Commander of NATO.

And the Minions still don't smell the cloying, decayed flesh smell of treason....   Good job, Minions!  (sarcasm moment...)

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/nato-withdrawal-trump-weighed-gift-the-century-putin?fbclid=IwAR0Q5twGfKgr1Mp8O1YXrCL3PyQAEF3T1PTvKklLqgyOal91ANjMs-y4tpQ
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« Reply #3895 on: January 20, 2019, 01:17:09 pm »

Where were their parents?  Oh, wait...


https://static.independent.co.uk/s3fs-public/thumbnails/image/2019/01/20/12/maga-boy-nativeamerican.jpg


MAGA hat boy's mother blames 'black Muslims' for her son harassing Native American man

A white teenager from a Kentucky Catholic school wearing a Make America Great Again hat taunted a Native American elder while he was surrounded by laughing and jeering classmates, many also wearing pro-Trump MAGA gear, during the Indigenous People’s Day March in Washington D.C. Friday.


https://heavy.com/news/2019/01/ky-catholic-teens-maga-taunts-native-american

For starters, what school sends students on regular field trips to anti-abortion rallys?
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« Reply #3896 on: January 20, 2019, 11:30:42 pm »

Where were their parents?  Oh, wait...


https://static.independent.co.uk/s3fs-public/thumbnails/image/2019/01/20/12/maga-boy-nativeamerican.jpg


MAGA hat boy's mother blames 'black Muslims' for her son harassing Native American man

A white teenager from a Kentucky Catholic school wearing a Make America Great Again hat taunted a Native American elder while he was surrounded by laughing and jeering classmates, many also wearing pro-Trump MAGA gear, during the Indigenous People’s Day March in Washington D.C. Friday.


https://heavy.com/news/2019/01/ky-catholic-teens-maga-taunts-native-american

For starters, what school sends students on regular field trips to anti-abortion rallys?


If you watch multiple videos not just the one making most of the usual outrage circuit, the kids don't seem so culpable as the perpetrators on this.  I don't see them throwing stuff at or spitting on the Native Americans and Muslims.  If anything, it appears one of the Native Americans was egging them on in addition to the Muslim antagonist telling them "their" president is gay. Seems like the students remained pretty calm in spite of the behavior of others in the crowd. 

You know me, I'm far from a Trump apologist, but this has been blown very far out of proportion and ignores the behavior of the people "not like the entitled whiteys in the crowd".
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« Reply #3897 on: January 21, 2019, 02:01:07 pm »

If you watch multiple videos not just the one making most of the usual outrage circuit, the kids don't seem so culpable as the perpetrators on this.  I don't see them throwing stuff at or spitting on the Native Americans and Muslims.  If anything, it appears one of the Native Americans was egging them on in addition to the Muslim antagonist telling them "their" president is gay. Seems like the students remained pretty calm in spite of the behavior of others in the crowd.  

You know me, I'm far from a Trump apologist, but this has been blown very far out of proportion and ignores the behavior of the people "not like the entitled whiteys in the crowd".


Just wondering what a bunch of private Catholic school boys from KY were doing in town - said to be an abortion protest.  


And why they left their group to confront some old black guys?

https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/native-american-elder-attacked-maga-180000541.html

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« Reply #3898 on: January 21, 2019, 09:21:33 pm »


Just wondering what a bunch of private Catholic school boys from KY were doing in town - said to be an abortion protest.  


And why they left their group to confront some old black guys?

https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/native-american-elder-attacked-maga-180000541.html



The other side of the narrative is that the Covington group was where the boys were supposed to meet their buses when they encountered the racist, bigoted Black Hebrew Israelites.  They attended the rally and allegedly went to do some sight-seeing and where they were to meet their bus ended up with the Black Hebrew Israelites screaming racial and gay epithets at them.  And, according to accounts, they did have adult chaperones with them.

The BHI are fairly well-known as crazy antagonists.  Phillips' guys went in with their own phone cameras rolling, you really think they weren't looking for conflict?  Walking up to someone and banging a drum in their face might be seen as a pretty provocative move.  If Phillips was truly concerned for the well-being of the youth, why didn't he just walk up and say: "Don't pay attention to these crazy a$$holes, young men!"

I put very little weight on anything out of Yahoo's realm anymore, it has a decided left lean.  

https://www.npr.org/2019/01/21/687134573/differing-narratives-after-standoff-between-native-american-man-high-school-stud

Put yourself in these kids shoes being 16 or 17 and being called "faggots", "incest babies", and other things and I don't know that I would have remained as relatively calm as they did.

Sorry, this is a pretty clear case of the media constructing a story with the facts they wanted to use instead of reporting all the facts.  And to be perfectly honest, my first reaction seeing the photos of the smirking young man was what a disrespectful little prick he was.

If anything, these boys were incredibly naive wearing their MAGA caps around DC, not something I think I'd do if I didn't want to get picked on.
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« Reply #3899 on: January 21, 2019, 10:47:13 pm »

If anything, these boys were incredibly naive wearing their MAGA caps around DC, not something I think I'd do if I didn't want to get picked on.
I have to agree.  Just because you can do something doesn't mean you should.

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