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« Reply #195 on: May 02, 2017, 09:42:45 pm »


Scott’s shooting—which took place in April 2015, a few days before the death of Freddie Gray in Baltimore—became a kind of litmus test in the discourse around police reform and Black Lives Matter. If you could find a way to defend Slager’s decision to kill Scott, it meant you would probably never be convinced, under any circumstances, that a police officer could ever be guilty of a crime for taking someone’s life in the line of duty.  As it happened, at least one such person got seated on the jury for Slager’s murder trial last year in South Carolina, resulting in a deadlock that suggested that the American legal system was simply not equipped to deliver justice to victims of police violence.



Would a jury convict a police officer of criminal violence? Would it reject the idea that wearing a badge grants almost total impunity for any action? These questions were answered with terrible clarity: No.



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« Reply #196 on: May 05, 2017, 11:29:40 am »

Anyone here got one of these in the mail?

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« Reply #197 on: May 05, 2017, 11:58:47 am »

Anyone here got one of these in the mail?



I wonder how 60 Minutes would feel about their logo being used on this mailing?
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« Reply #198 on: May 06, 2017, 05:46:00 pm »

I wonder how 60 Minutes would feel about their logo being used on this mailing?

Last chance to taint the jury (tryouts begin Monday) and lock in that one RWE that wont convict a cop under any circumstances.


In today’s society when a police officer receives a call, he knows, he is no longer respected by the community or by the system that he swore an oath to protect and serve. These are not his friends and neighbors. Those he endeavors to help may be waiting in ambush for him. He is just a pawn in the game and continually at the mercy of the government.


Institutional Racism Has Shelby’s Back




Media whore Scott Walton wants in on the publicity too:

An area sheriff expressed his support in an open letter for a Tulsa police officer charged with manslaughter, stating that law enforcement’s “ability to protect themselves and others” may also be on trial.

And do stuff like this
Okmulgee County chief deputy arrested on robbery, assault charges

and this
Tulsa County deputy facing rape, porn charges accused of sexually abusing another child

and this
Muskogee officer pleads no contest to assaulting ex-wife, receives deferred sentence



If more police had to consider their actions might have consequences, wouldn't the result be better policing?


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« Reply #199 on: May 06, 2017, 10:32:16 pm »



If more police had to consider their actions might have consequences, wouldn't the result be better policing?



No. Because aholes like you will still find a way to complain from the safe and secure basement, while real men and women with bravery and honor are out protecting your unappreciative azz.
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« Reply #200 on: May 07, 2017, 08:21:25 am »


I would like to point out that police are people too.   And as such, they occasionally screw up.   (see above)    But, when they do, they are arrested and prosecuted as an individual would be.

Maybe instead we should have a "position of public trust" law....   If you hold a position of public trust and violate the law, you have an extra XX yeas added to you sentence.  Whether it be fireman, policeman, politician or government employee, if you take public money, you are held to a higher standard.
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« Reply #201 on: May 08, 2017, 09:41:50 pm »

I would like to point out that police are people too.   And as such, they occasionally screw up.   (see above)    But, when they do, they are arrested and prosecuted as an individual would be.

Maybe instead we should have a "position of public trust" law....   If you hold a position of public trust and violate the law, you have an extra XX yeas added to you sentence.  Whether it be fireman, policeman, politician or government employee, if you take public money, you are held to a higher standard.


Longer deferred sentences?  
The police unions are more powerful than they have ever been, and insure cops get special treatment regardless of their crime.
They would argue that the prospect of stronger sentencing would cripple the ability of police to keep us safe, because they might have to stop and think about things like "Hey I wonder if theres' video of us beating up that drunk?" and etc.


Oh It was just a human mistake spraying my AR-15 at a car just driving away and killing a kid in the passenger seat.  But since im a Hero Warrior I ought to be able to just make up a story about how I was in fear for my life when the car "aggressively reversed" to ambush me and get the Chief to tell it to the media.
Golly gee willikers I hope my union rep can delete this body cam video.



The murder charge came six days after Jordan’s death. Last year, when Tulsa police officer Betty Shelby shot dead an unarmed man, Terence Crutcher, she was charged with manslaughter six days later. Her trial begins next week.

Town greets murder charge over teen shot by police in moving car
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« Reply #202 on: May 08, 2017, 10:51:08 pm »

Fallin Signs 'Blue Lives Matter' Bill Into Law
http://www.newson6.com/story/35370827/fallin-signs-blue-lives-matter-bill-into-law
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« Reply #203 on: May 13, 2017, 06:14:06 pm »



Existing law already gave death or life without parole to cop killers, but in a twist of irony, the new BLM laws may actually weaken those:

The only real new thing is the laws, all copied from the same national FOP template, make groundless discretionary charges  like "resisting" a hate crime.

A Louisiana police chief says the state's new "blue lives matter" law, which makes it a hate crime to target a police officer, extends to simply resisting arrest. 


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« Reply #204 on: May 17, 2017, 12:10:26 pm »

Today is verdict day, along with a Tsunami of information that was being withheld till now.

Fox23 reported ADA Gray not only saying video was tampered with, but Shelby and her union legal team got those videos two days prior to her even making her official report.

And it gets grittier.


Cop Who Killed Terence Crutcher Accused Of Making Her Daughter Sleep In Dog Urine: Report
The family of the slain 40-year-old publicly released the information, which they believe speaks to the character of Officer Betty Shelby.

After the defense rested in the manslaughter trial of Tulsa Police Officer Betty Shelby, who is on trial for the September 2016 death of Terence Crutcher, his family held an impromptu press conference on the courthouse steps on Tuesday, expressing their displeasure at how the trial went.

According to KJRH, Crutcher’s family and supporters felt that the defense and police union disparaged Crutcher’s name, when it is he who is the aggrieved (that is, dead) party.

“As opposed to Betty Shelby being on trial, it appears that Terence Crutcher is on trial,” said Pastor of Morning Star Baptist Church Dr. Rodney Goss.

To rectify that, the family presented court documents from 2005 that say Shelby’s ex-husband claimed she physically abused their children, prompting him to seek custody.

Specifically, the report claims that Shelby choked and kicked her 10-year-old daughter and forced her to sleep in dog urine.

Local reporter Jonathan McCall presented some of the documents on Twitter.

    #BREAKING Officer charged with killing #TerenceCrutcher accused of choking daughter forcing her to sleep in dog urine according to records pic.twitter.com/asTxmkKEFk

    — Jonathan McCall (@JonathanMcCall) May 16, 2017

“Her daughter said her mother had choked her and kicked her,” said Pastor of My Church Walk of Faith Marcus Howard. “We’re trying to portray her as being an angel, and an angel she is not.”

The domestic case against Shelby was eventually dismissed. Unsurprisingly, her peers in the local police union defended her.

“I don’t see how that would go to her mindset during a shooting years later,” said Tulsa Fraternal Order of Police Chairman Jerad Lindsey. “I’m sure Mr. Crutcher has many more things in his past there were not coming up because they’re not pertinent to what’s going on in this trial.”

However, the family felt that the FOP also released disparaging information on Crutcher over the weekend.

Some of the videos were about the affects of PCP and the difference between the “action and reaction” of officers.
Crutcher was known to have battled substance abuse and had PCP in his system when he was killed.

“Terence is not on trial. It is his life that we are here to protect and to make sure that justice is served,” Pastor Howard said.

The jury in the trial was instructed to come back to court Wednesday morning for closing arguments and to decide a verdict.
SOURCE: KJRH – Tulsa   https://newsone.com/3713232/betty-shelby-made-her-daughter-sleep-in-dog-urine/
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« Reply #205 on: May 17, 2017, 03:49:52 pm »

I do not know the facts of this case in any detail, I just hope the verdict is just.
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« Reply #206 on: May 17, 2017, 04:05:42 pm »

I do not know the facts of this case in any detail, I just hope the verdict is just.


That would be nice.


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« Reply #207 on: May 17, 2017, 04:12:40 pm »

I do not know the facts of this case in any detail, I just hope the verdict is just.

Just so I know just exactly what we are talking about here we want just a just verdict, am I just right?
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« Reply #208 on: May 17, 2017, 04:32:34 pm »

Just so I know just exactly what we are talking about here we want just a just verdict, am I just right?

Just that I hope the verdict is just as just can be under just the facts. Just that.
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« Reply #209 on: May 17, 2017, 09:15:16 pm »

They got it right....
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