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« Reply #45 on: September 17, 2016, 06:27:39 pm »

Governor Mary Fallin signed a bill into law yesterday offering law enforcement officers in the field an extra layer of protection.
House Bill 2447 or the Blue Alert Act passed unanimously in the House and Senate.
Whenever an officer is targeted, killed or injured, a Blue Alert would go out to other law enforcement and the public.




Blue Alert is similar to an Amber or Silver Alert, except when they find you, they kill you.

Its a solution in search of A problem.




Police work has been getting a lot safer. Fatalities and murders of police have been falling for decades—per resident, per officer and even in in absolute terms...
the data show that 2015 is one of the safest years for American policing in history.
The FBI also collects statistics on the number of police assaulted and injured each year, and they also show dramatic declines in violence against police.

In other words, cops are not just being saved more often—they are also being attacked and injured less frequently.


Another way to look at it is to compare homicide rates from around country to the rate for police. Here the comparison is even more striking: it’s safer to be a cop than it is to simply live in many U.S. cities.
It’s safer to be a cop than it is to live in Baltimore. It’s safer to be a cop than it is to be a fisher, logger, pilot, roofer, miner, trucker or taxi driver. It’s safer to be a cop today than it’s been in years, decades, or even a century.

http://www.newsweek.com/it-has-never-been-safer-be-cop-372025



“Disproportionate fears about officer safety are leading inexorably to the disproportionate use of force”
http://fee.org/freeman/overkill-militarizing-america



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« Reply #46 on: September 18, 2016, 01:46:15 pm »

I think the national media is expecting us to start rioting
http://www.latimes.com/nation/nationnow/la-na-tulsa-fatal-police-shooting-20160918-snap-story.html
but we've been there, done it... and were better than that.

My instincts lean towards an accidental discharge they just dont want to own up to.

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« Reply #47 on: September 18, 2016, 02:10:59 pm »

I am impatiently waiting to see the videos. Having a car broken down in that area is not uncommon. Why would they tase him? And then assume he's going for a gun? Maybe he was going for his wallet, his ID, his insurance verification? Hell, maybe a gun, but being big and black they may have made some assumptions.

Had they made an ID? The cop on Fox seemed pretty nervous.
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« Reply #48 on: September 18, 2016, 06:58:32 pm »

I think the national media is expecting us to start rioting
http://www.latimes.com/nation/nationnow/la-na-tulsa-fatal-police-shooting-20160918-snap-story.html
but we've been there, done it... and were better than that.

My instincts lean towards an accidental discharge they just dont want to own up to.



You don't know riots won't start.
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« Reply #49 on: September 18, 2016, 10:34:39 pm »

I am impatiently waiting to see the videos. Having a car broken down in that area is not uncommon. Why would they tase him? And then assume he's going for a gun? Maybe he was going for his wallet, his ID, his insurance verification? Hell, maybe a gun, but being big and black they may have made some assumptions.

Had they made an ID? The cop on Fox seemed pretty nervous.


Eyewitness differs from police version
http://www.fox23.com/news/video-witness-to-tulsa-officer-involved-shooting-talks-to-fox23_20160919031747/447348857
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« Reply #50 on: September 19, 2016, 10:32:58 am »

Latest update: according to TulsaWorld

Pastor who viewed the footage of the incident states " hands were in the air from all views when he was shot"

"He was tazed and shot almost simultaneously"

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« Reply #51 on: September 19, 2016, 12:21:09 pm »

http://www.newson6.com/story/33129765/crutcher-family-holds-news-conference-to-address-fatal-shooting
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« Reply #52 on: September 19, 2016, 12:22:20 pm »

I think the national media is expecting us to start rioting
http://www.latimes.com/nation/nationnow/la-na-tulsa-fatal-police-shooting-20160918-snap-story.html
but we've been there, done it... and were better than that.

My instincts lean towards an accidental discharge they just dont want to own up to.


I don't want a riot, but I do hope we have some massive demonstrations over this. All the lip service the department has given over the last few years is undone over this incident. This is a clear cut case of a black person being shot because he was black.

Maybe it was accidental, but it doesn't really change anything. Most cops shouldn't be cops.
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« Reply #53 on: September 19, 2016, 12:29:16 pm »

How does a firearm in the hands of a professional, "accidentally" discharge? He was moving slowly with his hands up when they tased him, then her instincts told her to shoot? Who decided it was worthy of a tase anyway?

This isn't just a big, black guy thing. I'm getting a little wary of cops judgement in average stops. Most cops I know or have met are not like this. Maybe its a subset of them that somehow got faulty training or psych evaluations.
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« Reply #54 on: September 19, 2016, 12:58:21 pm »

Someone started a thread on the most recent Tulsa police shooting here:

http://www.tulsanow.org/forum/index.php?topic=21397

Lets consolidate the discussion on that topic, as it is about to blow up with the release of the video. After watching the press conference, this is going to be ugly.

Again, go here:

http://www.tulsanow.org/forum/index.php?topic=21397
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« Reply #55 on: September 19, 2016, 02:00:52 pm »

I am impatiently waiting to see the videos.

https://vimeo.com/183327146
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« Reply #56 on: September 19, 2016, 06:58:52 pm »


He's been called the "architect of the modern police brutality epidemic." 
See how the man behind the junk-science defense of Tulsa Deputy Robert Bates' killing of Eric Harris gets bad cops off the hook.


Are you familiar with the work of William J. Lewinski? Unless you are a police officer, that name probably doesn't ring a bell. It didn't for me, either, until I learned that in many ways he is father, architect and chief defender of the modern police brutality epidemic. As founder and director of the Force Science Institute, he has trained tens of thousands of police officers to shoot first and ask questions later.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/king-police-officers-weapons-guns-article-1.2759056

He doesn't deny it. It's what he's famous for. It's why police departments all over America lean on him as their resident expert to justify shooting and killing virtually anybody and everybody who gives them even a remote suspicion that they may pose a serious risk.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/02/us/training-officers-to-shoot-first-and-he-will-answer-questions-later.html

Training Officers to Shoot First, and He Will Answer Questions Later

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/02/us/training-officers-to-shoot-first-and-he-will-answer-questions-later.html

 

The "shoot first-ask questions later" mentality that has swept the nation's police has put more Americans at peril than any act of terrorism.

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« Reply #57 on: September 23, 2016, 11:10:16 am »

So disappointing to continue to see this play out again and again.   It's called driving while black.  Black men in particular continue to be profiled by police.  It's not about putting police against citizens; it's about justice and not just us.
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« Reply #58 on: October 08, 2016, 10:29:54 pm »

So disappointing to continue to see this play out again and again.   It's called driving while black.  Black men in particular continue to be profiled by police.  It's not about putting police against citizens; it's about justice and not just us.


Tulsa has Maj. Travis Yates, Milwaukee has Sheriff Clarke 

everyone else has this crazy-eyed Mullah:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Zt7bl5Z_oA
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« Reply #59 on: October 18, 2016, 06:55:36 pm »

“This dark side of our shared history has created a multigenerational — almost inherited — mistrust between many communities of color and their law enforcement agencies,” said Chief Cunningham, president of the 18,000-member International Association of Chiefs of Police.

“For our part, the first step in this process is for law enforcement and the IACP to acknowledge and apologize for the actions of the past and the role that our profession has played in society’s historical mistreatment of communities of color.”



“He’s simply saying: ‘You know, we have to take some responsibility for this.”

http://www.bostonherald.com/news/columnists/kimberly_atkins/2016/10/atkins_wellesley_chief_rips_dark_side_of_police_history

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