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« Reply #270 on: February 28, 2018, 07:02:25 pm »

Here's the oath
“I, do solemnly, sincerely and truly declare and affirm that I will faithfully discharge the duties of the office of constable with fairness, integrity, diligence and impartiality,and that I will uphold fundamental human rights and accord equal respect to all people, according to law.”

There's nothing about protecting others.  
The supreme court has ruled that "protecting" isn't something police are required to do
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/28/politics/justices-rule-police-do-not-have-a-constitutional-duty-to-protect.html

Interesting.
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« Reply #271 on: March 01, 2018, 10:11:44 am »

Interesting.


OKLAHOMA CITY — Three bills that would greatly loosen restrictions on who can carry guns and where in Oklahoma made their way through the House Public Safety Committee on Wednesday afternoon, with voting largely along party lines.

House Bills 2918, 2951 and 3192, all by Rep. Jeff Coody, R-Grandfield, strip away handgun licensing and training requirements and make it easier for school districts to arm personnel.

HB 3192, filed after the deadly school shootings in Florida two weeks ago, would allow districts to develop their own policies for arming school personnel. The only requirement would be a handgun permit.

HB 2951 would permit carrying of firearms anywhere they are now legally permitted without a license or training

http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/capitol_report/house-committee-votes-to-lift-most-gun-training-and-licensing/article_c66b3b4e-b552-530a-81dd-a740c8593afb.html


They are teachers; skip the rules.  What could go wrong?


Armed ‘Teacher of the Year’ Opens Fire in School
https://www.thedailybeast.com/a-second-teacher-of-the-year-fires-a-gun-inside-his-school


Well at least we stop the violence by getting the guns out...

11-year-old arrested after pulling knife on Oklahoma City elementary school students
http://newsok.com/11-year-old-arrested-after-pulling-knife-on-elementary-school-students/article/5585120
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« Reply #272 on: March 02, 2018, 04:52:17 pm »


But many this sheriff just wreaks of CYA so bad. Particularly curious is his change of tune on "good guys with guns".

https://www.orlandoweekly.com/Blogs/archives/2017/06/09/brevard-county-sheriff-wayne-ivey-is-incredibly-wrong-about-good-guys-with-guns

And now another narrative emerges where the deputies were allegedly ordered to wait it out.

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/broward/article203015289.html
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« Reply #273 on: March 04, 2018, 12:16:48 pm »

And now another narrative emerges where the deputies were allegedly ordered to wait it out.

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/broward/article203015289.html

Whatever the case ends up being, it ain't being portrayed accurately in the public square.
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« Reply #274 on: March 04, 2018, 06:52:12 pm »

Whatever the case ends up being, it ain't being portrayed accurately in the public square.

So what do you believe is accurate?  The union has one version of reality, the sheriff another.

The Broward Sheriff’s Office captain who initially took charge of the chaotic scene at a Parkland high school where 17 people were killed told deputies to form a perimeter around the deadly scene — which they did instead of going in to confront the shooter, according to a partial BSO dispatch log obtained by the Miami Herald.
http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/broward/article203015289.html

Commanding officer initially ordered responding deputies to 'stage' not enter Stoneman Douglas, sources say
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/02/28/commanding-officer-initially-ordered-responding-deputies-to-stage-not-enter-stoneman-douglas-sources-say.html
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« Reply #275 on: March 08, 2018, 10:55:26 pm »


But many this sheriff just wreaks of CYA so bad. Particularly curious is his change of tune on "good guys with guns".


Apparently the sheriff was re-elected with the help of false-flag robocalls where he pretended to be his opposition.
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/03/02/scott-israel-broward-county-sheriff-nra-217220
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« Reply #276 on: March 25, 2018, 11:39:05 am »

Here's the oath
“I, do solemnly, sincerely and truly declare and affirm that I will faithfully discharge the duties of the office of constable with fairness, integrity, diligence and impartiality,and that I will uphold fundamental human rights and accord equal respect to all people, according to law.”

There's nothing about protecting others.  
The supreme court has ruled that "protecting" isn't something police are required to do
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/28/politics/justices-rule-police-do-not-have-a-constitutional-duty-to-protect.html



TPD’s Oath of Office includes references to protecting the rights and lives of all citizens and obeying the law. The rules and regulations establish a standard of conduct for officers professionally and privately, which includes not committing crimes.

The oath in part states that “I will ... obey the Constitution and laws of the United States, the State of Oklahoma and the Charter Ordinances of the City of Tulsa.” It also states that “I will protect the rights, lives, and property of all citizens...”


http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/crimewatch/former-tulsa-office-shannon-kepler-keeps-pension-payments-despite-manslaughter/article_608ad328-34dc-5543-833b-2a4c17570e59.html

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« Reply #277 on: April 04, 2018, 10:20:46 pm »

And I've really been thinking that all these cop shootings are mostly due to all these "training" companies that teach cops how to deal with active shooters and other scenarios and scare the crap out of the cops thinking that they are constantly in more danger than they really are. Combine that with the innate and some active racism and you have our overall problem with cops killing people and why it skews to killing minorities and the mentally ill.

Lawmakers seek change in police lethal force standard
https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/03/us/sacramento-stephon-clark-shooting-legislation/index.html
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« Reply #278 on: April 05, 2018, 01:17:27 am »


From your article...

http://www.cnn.com/style/article/amalia-ulman-instagram-excellences-perfections/?iid=ob_lockedrail_bottommedium
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« Reply #279 on: April 06, 2018, 09:27:48 am »

This is horrible. I admit that.  But dang it, the Onion nailed it:

Black Father Gives Son The Talk About Holding Literally Any Object

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« Reply #280 on: May 06, 2018, 10:03:22 am »

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OKLAHOMA CITY — Three bills that would greatly loosen restrictions on who can carry guns and where in Oklahoma made their way through the House Public Safety Committee on Wednesday afternoon, with voting largely along party lines.

HB 2951 would permit carrying of firearms anywhere they are now legally permitted without a license or training

http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/capitol_report/house-committee-votes-to-lift-most-gun-training-and-licensing/article_c66b3b4e-b552-530a-81dd-a740c8593afb.html

So a customer or another employee with Concealled Carry walks in and discovers this "armed robbery" in progress.  How would it likely end?

http://ktla.com/2018/05/04/off-duty-buena-park-police-officer-caught-on-video-pulling-gun-on-man-he-mistakenly-believes-is-stealing/
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« Reply #281 on: May 06, 2018, 10:51:40 am »

That's why a basic training session is so important. Under Oklahoma's law, you can use lethal force only to defend yourself, a family member, or your business. Nothing permits you to intervene in a hold up or a domestic dispute.
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« Reply #282 on: May 06, 2018, 11:39:02 am »


That was an off duty cop.   Regular people are trained not to get involved in these instances in the concealed carry classes.
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« Reply #283 on: May 06, 2018, 01:06:00 pm »

That was an off duty cop.   Regular people are trained not to get involved in these instances in the concealed carry classes.

So basically Oklahoma is doing away with the "trained not to get involved" part and some Carrying individual stumbles across the guy pointing the gun at people at the register.  He reacts.
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« Reply #284 on: May 06, 2018, 04:46:14 pm »

That's why a basic training session is so important. Under Oklahoma's law, you can use lethal force only to defend yourself, a family member, or your business. Nothing permits you to intervene in a hold up or a domestic dispute.


"others" is specifically mentioned in the law.

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