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« Reply #120 on: November 16, 2018, 10:49:30 am »

Julian Assange Is Secretly Charged in U.S., Prosecutors Mistakenly Reveal

WASHINGTON — The Justice Department has secretly filed criminal charges against the WikiLeaks founder, Julian Assange, a person familiar with the case said, a drastic escalation of the government’s yearslong battle with him and his anti-secrecy group.

The disclosure came as the special counsel, Robert S. Mueller III, is investigating links between President Trump’s associates and Russia’s 2016 election interference. WikiLeaks published thousands of emails that year from Democrats during the presidential race that were stolen by Russian intelligence officers. The hackings were a major part of Moscow’s campaign of disruption.

Though the legal move against Mr. Assange remained a mystery on Thursday, charges centering on the publication of information of public interest — even if it was obtained from Russian government hackers — would create a precedent with profound implications for press freedoms.

Barry Pollack, an American lawyer representing Mr. Assange, denounced the apparent development.

“The news that criminal charges have apparently been filed against Mr. Assange is even more troubling than the haphazard manner in which that information has been revealed,” Mr. Pollack wrote in an email. “The government bringing criminal charges against someone for publishing truthful information is a dangerous path for a democracy to take.”

A Justice Department spokesman declined to say on Thursday what led to the inadvertent disclosure...suggesting that prosecutors had inadvertently pasted text from a similar court filing into the wrong document and then filed it.

But even as the Obama administration brought criminal charges in an unprecedented number of leak-related cases, it apparently held back from charging Mr. Assange. Members of the Obama legal policy team from that era have said that they did not want to establish a precedent that could chill investigative reporting about national security matters by treating it as a crime.


https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/16/us/politics/julian-assange-indictment-wikileaks.html
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« Reply #121 on: November 16, 2018, 01:12:49 pm »



Barry Pollack, an American lawyer representing Mr. Assange, denounced the apparent development.

“The news that criminal charges have apparently been filed against Mr. Assange is even more troubling than the haphazard manner in which that information has been revealed,” Mr. Pollack wrote in an email. “The government bringing criminal charges against someone for publishing truthful information is a dangerous path for a democracy to take.”




And who still thinks we are not moving away from democracy ?



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« Reply #122 on: November 16, 2018, 01:55:00 pm »

And who still thinks we are not moving away from democracy ?

I will respectfully disagree, particularly in this case.  There is a lot of true information that is important to our Nation that it be kept secret.   I do not doubt that the information Wikileaks posted it true, but it has also been (in various ways) harmful the Nation.  A blanket statement that all true information should be public is simply not a viable position.
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« Reply #123 on: November 16, 2018, 04:57:46 pm »

I will respectfully disagree, particularly in this case.  There is a lot of true information that is important to our Nation that it be kept secret.   I do not doubt that the information Wikileaks posted it true, but it has also been (in various ways) harmful the Nation.  A blanket statement that all true information should be public is simply not a viable position.

Im mostly in agreement, but historically a lot of things that have been sheltered under the wing of necessary secrecy has been plain-old CYA.
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« Reply #124 on: November 16, 2018, 09:16:46 pm »

I will respectfully disagree, particularly in this case.  There is a lot of true information that is important to our Nation that it be kept secret.   I do not doubt that the information Wikileaks posted it true, but it has also been (in various ways) harmful the Nation.  A blanket statement that all true information should be public is simply not a viable position.



How?  Examples...  Fake Fox News is about the only place saying something bad may come of it yet...!   After all these years.   Like maybe a Republican may not get elected sometime??



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« Reply #125 on: November 19, 2018, 10:23:06 am »

How?  Examples...  Fake Fox News is about the only place saying something bad may come of it yet...!   After all these years.   Like maybe a Republican may not get elected sometime??

This is not GOP or DEM.  Obama also prosecuted govt leakers.    I was responding to the blanket statement: "The government bringing criminal charges against someone for publishing truthful information is a dangerous path for a democracy to take.”  This is simply not a viable position.   The US govt has data that is true, but should be kept secret.  Every country does.  (and, every state, every city, every business, etc...)  All information is not public, regardless of validity.   It is not up to Assange, or any other private individual, to decide to make public what is held secret by the govt.  

Patrick does have a good point, in that a lot of "secret" stuff should not really be secret, but again, there are processes for addressing that.   I am not questioning the rightness or wrongness of what Assange did, as it definitely depends on a point of view. But legally, he should expect to have charges filed.

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« Reply #126 on: November 26, 2018, 11:03:02 am »

This is not GOP or DEM.  Obama also prosecuted govt leakers.    I was responding to the blanket statement: "The government bringing criminal charges against someone for publishing truthful information is a dangerous path for a democracy to take.”  This is simply not a viable position.   The US govt has data that is true, but should be kept secret.  Every country does.  (and, every state, every city, every business, etc...)  All information is not public, regardless of validity.   It is not up to Assange, or any other private individual, to decide to make public what is held secret by the govt.  

Patrick does have a good point, in that a lot of "secret" stuff should not really be secret, but again, there are processes for addressing that.   I am not questioning the rightness or wrongness of what Assange did, as it definitely depends on a point of view. But legally, he should expect to have charges filed.




True - there should be secrets.  And at exactly the same time, what America (US) needs is more free speech!

As for the process of addressing that - it is so horribly broken that yes, it is one or two or a very few making that decision.  And it ain't Assange....


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