One less QT today

[dbacksfan 2.0]

Can you cite an instance of that actually happening, anywhere?

Let me rephrase this, if an officer is involved in an incident, the outcry is the statement I made. If you want a reference look at Ferguson, Moore, NYC etc, etc,.....

[guido911]

The official autopsy on Michael Brown shows that he was shot in the hand at close range, according to an analysis of the findings by two experts not involved directly in the case.

The St. Louis medical examiner, Dr. Michael Graham, who is not part of the official investigation, reviewed the autopsy report for the newspaper. He said Tuesday that it “does support that there was a significant altercation at the car.”

Graham said the examination indicated a shot traveled from the tip of Brown’s right thumb toward his wrist.


...which is consistent with a defensive wound, if the officer grabbed him thru the car window with one hand while reaching for his gun with the other (as witnesses have previously said).

Thanks Quincy.

[Vashta Nerada]

Wouldn't that kinda be the definition of being the cop's job...?

Maybe not the part where he chases him down to deliver the coup de grâce, so no, I would say no.






(CNN) -- Two men, shocked at what they saw, describe an unarmed teenager with his hands up in the air as he's gunned down by a police officer.

They were contractors doing construction work in Ferguson, Missouri, on the day Michael Brown was killed.
The man told CNN he heard one gunshot, then another shot about 30 seconds later.
"The cop didn't say get on the ground. He just kept shooting," ......



....The St. Louis Post-Dispatch late Tuesday night published a leaked county autopsy report, which suggests that the 18-year-old may not have had his hands raised when he was fatally shot, as has been the contention of protesters who have demanded Wilson’s arrest.

[Red Arrow]

as has been the contention of protesters who have demanded Wilson’s arrest persecution prosecution conviction for murder.

[Vashta Nerada]

WASHINGTON (AP) — The U.S. government agreed to a police request to restrict more than 37 square miles of airspace surrounding Ferguson, Missouri, for 12 days in August for safety, but audio recordings show that local authorities privately acknowledged the purpose was to keep away news helicopters during violent street protests.

On Aug. 12, the morning after the Federal Aviation Administration imposed the first flight restriction, FAA air traffic managers struggled to redefine the flight ban to let commercial flights operate at nearby Lambert-St. Louis International Airport and police helicopters fly through the area — but ban others.
A manager at the FAA's Kansas City center said police "did not care if you ran commercial traffic through this TFR (temporary flight restriction) all day long. They didn't want media in there."

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/674886091e344ffa95e92eb482e02be1/ap-exclusive-ferguson-no-fly-zone-aimed-media

WASHINGTON (AP) — Officials in Ferguson, Missouri, are charging nearly 10 times the cost of some of their own employees' salaries before they will agree to turn over files under public records laws about the fatal shooting of 18-year-old Michael Brown.

Price-gouging for government files is one way that local, state and federal agencies have responded to requests for potentially embarrassing information they may not want released. Open records laws are designed to give the public access to government records at little or no cost, and have historically exposed waste, wrongdoing and corruption.

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/ea801dccbeca4d42a06d4477fdb982a0/ferguson-demands-high-fees-turn-over-city-files

[patric]

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/674886091e344ffa95e92eb482e02be1/ap-exclusive-ferguson-no-fly-zone-aimed-media

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/ea801dccbeca4d42a06d4477fdb982a0/ferguson-demands-high-fees-turn-over-city-files

Im old enough to remember the Cuban Missile Crisis, and never thought I would see the day when Pravda could get away with something like this:

"Not only are the police acting as the US Army does in Iraq (simply put, like occupation forces), but it is this model that the US exports to countries that seek help."

How The World Sees Us,
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-echochambers-28845076

[Snowman]

Im old enough to remember the Cuban Missile Crisis, and never thought I would see the day when Pravda could get away with something like this:

"Not only are the police acting as the US Army does in Iraq (simply put, like occupation forces), but it is this model that the US exports to countries that seek help."

How The World Sees Us,
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-echochambers-28845076

Did you read some of the critiques by Army personnel who had been in Iraq, who were commenting they were lighter armed/armored and using less aggressive tactics in an active war zone than police were in Fregison.

[dbacksfan 2.0]

Just saw an interview with Michael Brown's mother, and apparently the protesters are demanding a 48 hour notice before the release of the grand jury findings so they can gather with the family and praise god that there was an indictment,  and that the only peaceful resolution is a guilty verdict, the only choice for the grand jury is a guilty verdict. Que the usual cast if there isn't a guilty verdict. Sounds like there will be protests either way.

[patric]

Just saw an interview with Michael Brown's mother, and apparently the protesters are demanding a 48 hour notice before the release of the grand jury findings so they can gather with the family and praise god that there was an indictment,  and that the only peaceful resolution is a guilty verdict, the only choice for the grand jury is a guilty verdict. Que the usual cast if there isn't a guilty verdict. Sounds like there will be protests either way.

Unless I severely overslept, I understood they are waiting to see if there is an indictment, not a verdict.
He needs to go to trial, but the question is actually whether or not that will happen.

As for the "demands"

A coalition of roughly 50 groups, concerned about issues brought to prominence by the fatal shooting of Michael Brown, asked officials Wednesday to agree to 'rules of engagement' for protests expected to follow a grand jury decision.
http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/group-proposes-rules-of-engagement-for-grand-jury-announcement-in/article_1bf6dce8-4493-50d1-9789-d170f4cf96d3.html

http://media.wix.com/ugd/9c5255_9d5572481c7840fbad088ef6d8ae82d4.pdf

[dbacksfan 2.0]

Unless I severely overslept, I understood they are waiting to see if there is an indictment, not a verdict.

He needs to go to trial, but the question is actually whether or not that will happen.

You and I know that, but the family and other people don't care, that just want him found guilty regardless of the evidence.  It's also interesting that the DA they want out of office so bad was up for election last week, and the voter turn out was 4 out of 10, and he was reelected.

[Conan71]

I wonder how many of these protestors were actual eye witnesses to the incident?

[heironymouspasparagus]

Im old enough to remember the Cuban Missile Crisis, and never thought I would see the day when Pravda could get away with something like this:


How The World Sees Us,

Then you have seen how we have changed over that same time - from continuously improving in all aspects of American life to becoming stagnant or even regressing in way too many others.  Couple of examples - falling wages in real terms, and sliding from near the top in medical systems to #38. 

[Vashta Nerada]

Ferguson: video shows Darren Wilson arresting man for recording him

Officer who shot and killed Michael Brown is seen telling Mike Arman ‘I’m gonna lock your *sS up’ if he does not stop
Mike Arman’s recording of his encounter with Darren Wilson.

Video footage has emerged showing Darren Wilson – the police officer who shot and killed Michael Brown, an unarmed black 18-year-old in Ferguson, Missouri – threatening and arresting a resident who refused to stop filming him with a cellphone.

Wilson is seen standing near his Ferguson police SUV and warning Mike Arman: “If you wanna take a picture of me one more time, I’m gonna lock your ss up.” Arman, who had requested Wilson’s name, replies: “Sir, I’m not taking a picture, I’m recording this incident sir.”

The officer then walks to the porch of Arman’s home and apprehends him, after telling him that he does not have the right to film. The 15-second clip was uploaded to YouTube on Friday but recorded in 2013, according to police documents.

Arman, 30, was charged with failing to comply with Wilson’s orders. He claimed in an interview on Saturday that the charge was dropped after he told his lawyer he had video footage of the incident. Arman, who runs a small housing non-profit, has a criminal record and has previously been charged with resisting arrest.

“I was working on my porch with my toolbelt on and was being cordial,” Arman said of the incident. “But I wanted to safeguard myself by recording what happened.” Filming police officers carrying out their duties is widely considered to be legal and protected by the first amendment of the US constitution.

Court and police officials in Ferguson could not be reached for comment. When asked on Friday whether the officer in the video clip was Wilson, a spokesman for the Ferguson police department told the Guardian in an email: “I don’t think that is him.” The spokesman did not respond to further questions.

But a police incident report confirms that Wilson arrested Arman at his home on Redmond Avenue on 28 October 2013. The report states Wilson had arrived to issue a court summons regarding derelict vehicles that were being left on the property in violation of city rules. Redacted images of the report were first published by the Free Thought Project.

Wilson wrote in his report that Arman became upset and said he wanted to record the encounter. Wilson said he told him “a voice recording would be acceptable” but Arman “refused to answer any questions or co-operate as he lifted the phone to begin a video recording of myself” and “stated that I must state my name to him” as Wilson asked for more information on the vehicles.

Arman disputed Wilson’s account of the start of their encounter, saying that he “began recording within moments of Wilson approaching the property” and that Wilson only mentioned a voice recording being acceptable after Arman had been arrested.

Despite being shown at the other end of Arman’s garden path, Wilson wrote in his report that he told Arman “to remove the camera from my face”. He claimed to have asked Arman to place his hands behind his back, which is not visible or audible from the recording. “I was forced to grab his wrists one at a time and secure them into handcuffs,” Wilson wrote.

Wilson drove Arman to the Ferguson police department headquarters where he was charged with failure to comply and breaching regulations on pit bull dogs. The officer noted that he had been unable to enter the rear yard of Arman’s property “due to the pit bulls”. Arman claimed that the charge relating to pit bulls was dropped when he proved his pet was a bulldog.

A grand jury in St Louis is considering whether Wilson, now 28, should be charged for killing Brown in Ferguson on 9 August. Wilson shot Brown repeatedly after an altercation that followed Wilson stopping him and a friend for jaywalking.

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2014/nov/16/ferguson-video-shows-darren-wilson-arresting-man-for-recording-him
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/man-films-confrontation-ferguson-darren-wilson-article-1.2012738

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wAkbovfTeA[/youtube]

[Conan71]

Well that definitely makes Wilson guilty of killing Brown.  Might as well send him straight to the chair.

[Vashta Nerada]

Well that definitely makes Wilson guilty of killing Brown.  Might as well send him straight to the chair.

If you say so, but, together with his perjured police report, it paints a picture of a bully and a liar comfortable with abusing his authority.