One less QT today

[heironymouspasparagus]

Barring an earth-shattering about-face, everything police say is going to have to rest on the foundation of the shooter's original statement, that he was "afraid he was going for my gun."

That police initially spent so little effort on their justification story must be the biggest insult, but why would they have needed to do otherwise when that rehearsed tome works so well and without question everywhere else (including Tulsa)?

And the eye witness accounts that Brown was doing something in the police vehicle...?  Piaget something was the name, I think....

And exactly how did the cop get the busted eye socket?  That's a heavy, hard impact.....and yeah, I've seen them broken before - it is NOT a bump somewhere inside a car during a "tussle".

We now know for a fact that Johnson has lied about everything the entire time.  I'm also thinking the picture of Brown pointing a gun at the camera with a bottle of Hawaiian Punch and some kind of booze next to him kinda takes away from the whole "gentle giant" scenario.  Convenience store video didn't help that either.

We need to see the videos that were erased before the cops got hold of the phones - showing the confrontation.  Wonder if the phone companies can retrieve those?  NSA should be able to help.....

[Gaspar]

And the eye witness accounts that Brown was doing something in the police vehicle...?  Piaget something was the name, I think....

And exactly how did the cop get the busted eye socket?  That's a heavy, hard impact.....and yeah, I've seen them broken before - it is NOT a bump somewhere inside a car during a "tussle".

We now know for a fact that Johnson has lied about everything the entire time.  I'm also thinking the picture of Brown pointing a gun at the camera with a bottle of Hawaiian Punch and some kind of booze next to him kinda takes away from the whole "gentle giant" scenario.  Convenience store video didn't help that either.

We need to see the videos that were erased before the cops got hold of the phones - showing the confrontation.  Wonder if the phone companies can retrieve those?  NSA should be able to help.....

An orbital fracture requires an extremely violent impact and usually results in a hematoma behind the eye that if not treated can cause blindness. Most of the time we used to see these with very violent automobile accidents.  Bare-fisted fighting is probably the second most common cause, but is typically uncommon because the flexibility of the human neck absorbs the energy.  That's why you don't see too many orbital fractures in boxing. 

You do see them in hockey and in assault cases quite frequently though.  This is because in hockey, the back of the head is in many cases against the glass preventing the neck from moving and absorbing the energy.  In assaults/beatings, the victim frequently become pinned on the ground or a wall stabilizing the head.  A lot like a fingerprint, the x-ray of the fracture will easily indicate to a forensic specialist the size, force, and even the trajectory of the object.  They should even be able to identify the knuckle or proximal phalange that made impact. 

Because of the force used, the assailant will also display bruising to the fist or fingers.

[Breadburner]

Heavy Elbow....

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And the eye witness accounts that Brown was doing something in the police vehicle...?  Piaget something was the name, I think....

And exactly how did the cop get the busted eye socket?  That's a heavy, hard impact.....and yeah, I've seen them broken before - it is NOT a bump somewhere inside a car during a "tussle".

We now know for a fact that Johnson has lied about everything the entire time.  I'm also thinking the picture of Brown pointing a gun at the camera with a bottle of Hawaiian Punch and some kind of booze next to him kinda takes away from the whole "gentle giant" scenario.  Convenience store video didn't help that either.

We need to see the videos that were erased before the cops got hold of the phones - showing the confrontation.  Wonder if the phone companies can retrieve those?  NSA should be able to help.....

That photo wasn't brown. And where did you see that about the eye socket?

[AngieB]

That photo wasn't brown. And where did you see that about the eye socket?

https://news.google.com/news?ncl=deZczG9KrhXwd2MXRkP1xqk2vGSGM&q=eye+fracture+police+officer&lr=English&hl=en&sa=X&ei=Tyr2U5Ibl7PIBOe0gqAM&ved=0CCsQqgIwAA

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https://news.google.com/news?ncl=deZczG9KrhXwd2MXRkP1xqk2vGSGM&q=eye+fracture+police+officer&lr=English&hl=en&sa=X&ei=Tyr2U5Ibl7PIBOe0gqAM&ved=0CCsQqgIwAA

I checked, and the source for that story is a right wing blog known for putting out crap called The gateway pundit. The photo attached has already been shown to not be of Wilson. The New York Post picked up the story and it has spread.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/08/breaking-report-po-darren-wilson-suffered-orbital-blowout-fracture-to-eye-socket-during-encounter-with-mike-brown/

I'm not saying it's incorrect, I'm saying that it's highly likely this is incorrect. And seeing how the police have been all over trying to prove they are in the right, if this was true I would think that this story would have been out long before now.  

I'm not ready to say who is in the right or wrong here. But the police and Wilson are NOT playing fair or being open with the facts. I really want to know if there was gunshot residue on brown's clothing since there wasn't any on his body. Why has the video of the robbery been released but not the official autopsy?

In the video after the shooting Wilson certainly isn't acting injured.

The video is at this link:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2014/08/18/new-video-purports-to-show-the-moments-after-michael-browns-death/

Here are screen grabs of Wilson from the video. That's brown in the street.

[Conan71]

I checked, and the source for that story is a right wing blog known for putting out crap called The gateway pundit. The photo attached has already been shown to not be of Wilson. The New York Post picked up the story and it has spread.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/08/breaking-report-po-darren-wilson-suffered-orbital-blowout-fracture-to-eye-socket-during-encounter-with-mike-brown/

I'm not saying it's incorrect, I'm saying that it's highly likely this is incorrect. And seeing how the police have been all over trying to prove they are in the right, if this was true I would think that this story would have been out long before now.  

I'm not ready to say who is in the right or wrong here. But the police and Wilson are NOT playing fair or being open with the facts. I really want to know if there was gunshot residue on brown's clothing since there wasn't any on his body. Why has the video of the robbery been released but not the official autopsy?

In the video after the shooting Wilson certainly isn't acting injured.

The video is at this link:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2014/08/18/new-video-purports-to-show-the-moments-after-michael-browns-death/

Here are screen grabs of Wilson from the video. That's brown in the street.

I’ve never shot a 6’ 4” 280 pound thug right after he beat the smile out of me, so not really sure I’m at liberty to say how the officer should be acting or reacting at that moment.

Here’s one thing we do know from the private autopsy the family had done: Dr. Baden says all the entrance wounds are to the front of the body which debunks any claims he was running from the officer when he was shot.

If the cop was injured, there will be a paper trail if he was treated for his injuries. 

People don’t seem to understand though, it takes time to sift through evidence and every single claim of eyewitnesses.  Everyone is of the mistaken idea that justice can happen in an instant, it’s just not the case.

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I’ve never shot a 6’ 4” 280 pound thug right after he beat the smile out of me, so not really sure I’m at liberty to say how the officer should be acting or reacting at that moment.

Here’s one thing we do know from the private autopsy the family had done: Dr. Baden says all the entrance wounds are to the front of the body which debunks any claims he was running from the officer when he was shot.

If the cop was injured, there will be a paper trail if he was treated for his injuries. 

People don’t seem to understand though, it takes time to sift through evidence and every single claim of eyewitnesses.  Everyone is of the mistaken idea that justice can happen in an instant, it’s just not the case.

That's why I'm shocked they are already before a grand jury.

Wilson certainly could have been in shock and I do agree, if that injury is real it will come out and is a very big deal. It's the same with the gunshot residue.

The private autopsy does show he didn't have his back to the shooter, in spite of what witnesses said, but that autopsy also said that there was no gunshot residue on the body and all the wounds appeared to be from a distance. The pathologist didn't have access to the clothing to be sure, however. That's going to be the two biggest parts of the evidence. Was the cop actually assaulted and how far away was Brown when he was shot.

I myself want to follow the physical evidence more than the cop's statement or eyewitness accounts.

[Conan71]

That's why I'm shocked they are already before a grand jury.

Wilson certainly could have been in shock and I do agree, if that injury is real it will come out and is a very big deal. It's the same with the gunshot residue.

The private autopsy does show he didn't have his back to the shooter, in spite of what witnesses said, but that autopsy also said that there was no gunshot residue on the body and all the wounds appeared to be from a distance. The pathologist didn't have access to the clothing to be sure, however. That's going to be the two biggest parts of the evidence. Was the cop actually assaulted and how far away was Brown when he was shot.

I myself want to follow the physical evidence more than the cop's statement or eyewitness accounts.

Considering the tensions, I’m not that surprised they are already feeding evidence to a grand jury.  It’s at least doing something to show they are interested in getting to the bottom of what happened and that they are letting citizens help form the basis for whatever charges may or may not be forthcoming.

If no charges are filed, I hope it is clearly spelled out why because there will be outrage.

One problem which is obvious, is many “witnesses” didn’t even come out of their apartments until after they heard gunfire, then it becomes:

“What happened?”

“I dunno, that cop just shot that guy”

“What for?”

“I dunno, I think he was just minding his business and the cop shot him.  I didn’t really see it but that’s what it looks like.” 

Then it suddenly becomes a bunch of inaccurate “eyewitness” accounts which were actually second or thirdhand accounts.

Reportedly, there’s been over a dozen witnesses who corroborate Wilson’s account. 

I agree, the clothing evidence will be of interest in getting to the bottom of it as well as evidence of injuries to Wilson.  I’m curious if the clothing was shared with the feds for their autopsy.

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Considering the tensions, I’m not that surprised they are already feeding evidence to a grand jury.  It’s at least doing something to show they are interested in getting to the bottom of what happened and that they are letting citizens help form the basis for whatever charges may or may not be forthcoming.

If no charges are filed, I hope it is clearly spelled out why because there will be outrage.

One problem which is obvious, is many “witnesses” didn’t even come out of their apartments until after they heard gunfire, then it becomes:

“What happened?”

“I dunno, that cop just shot that guy”

“What for?”

“I dunno, I think he was just minding his business and the cop shot him.  I didn’t really see it but that’s what it looks like.”  

Then it suddenly becomes a bunch of inaccurate “eyewitness” accounts which were actually second or thirdhand accounts.

Reportedly, there’s been over a dozen witnesses who corroborate Wilson’s account.  

I agree, the clothing evidence will be of interest in getting to the bottom of it as well as evidence of injuries to Wilson.  I’m curious if the clothing was shared with the feds for their autopsy.

I'm sure it would be easy to line up 50 witnesses from the Nation of Islam and 50 KKK grand wizards to all say they saw the whole thing.

I'm not saying all the witnesses are fake, but figuring who really did and did not see what happened has to be a nightmare and probably impossible at this point.

I heard something interesting on NPR earlier. Of the hundreds of people arrested, only seven are actually from Ferguson. Mo.

[guido911]

I think there should be a lesson about waiting for the facts, but why waste time on something stupid like that. Better to jut go completely off the rails. Today, we learned there may not have been a blow out fx, but there was swelling to the officer's face. And, the big eyewitness (Dorian Johnson) of the shooting has dirt under his nails.

http://www.inquisitr.com/1423197/michael-brown-shooting-key-witness-charged-with-filing-false-police-report-dorian-johnson/

[heironymouspasparagus]

That's why I'm shocked they are already before a grand jury.

Wilson certainly could have been in shock and I do agree, if that injury is real it will come out and is a very big deal. It's the same with the gunshot residue.

The private autopsy does show he didn't have his back to the shooter, in spite of what witnesses said, but that autopsy also said that there was no gunshot residue on the body and all the wounds appeared to be from a distance. The pathologist didn't have access to the clothing to be sure, however. That's going to be the two biggest parts of the evidence. Was the cop actually assaulted and how far away was Brown when he was shot.

I myself want to follow the physical evidence more than the cop's statement or eyewitness accounts.

All the autopsies showed shot from front.  All showed no residue.  The family report said distance could be 1 - 2 ft or 30 ft.  No way to tell.

I have had residue land on me from over 2 feet away, so that statement was kind of odd.

There is that one video where the guy said Brown was heading toward Wilson when he was shot.

[heironymouspasparagus]

I'm sure it would be easy to line up 50 witnesses from the Nation of Islam and 50 KKK grand wizards to all say they saw the whole thing.

I'm not saying all the witnesses are fake, but figuring who really did and did not see what happened has to be a nightmare and probably impossible at this point.

I heard something interesting on NPR earlier. Of the hundreds of people arrested, only seven are actually from Ferguson. Mo.

Kansas City, Chicago, Detroit, Atlanta, New York.  Many of them out late at night wearing red.  Some families who just "had to come"....


Here is an interesting thing...the two family guys can't even seem to agree.  But one is only an assistant....the one saying the bullet came from the back.  But then the real doctor said it was from the front.....

http://news.yahoo.com/st-louis-medical-examiner-slams-brown-family-hire-172036981.html

[Gaspar]

Kansas City, Chicago, Detroit, Atlanta, New York.  Many of them out late at night wearing red.  Some families who just "had to come"....


Here is an interesting thing...the two family guys can't even seem to agree.  But one is only an assistant....the one saying the bullet came from the back.  But then the real doctor said it was from the front.....

http://news.yahoo.com/st-louis-medical-examiner-slams-brown-family-hire-172036981.html

CNN now has a "source close to the investigation" that says the allegations of an eye socket fracture are false. 

I am amazed at how news agencies are all taking sides on this event and all content to report conjecture without evidence. 

For the life of me, I don't understand why anyone has any faith in any news organization any more.

[TheArtist]

CNN now has a "source close to the investigation" that says the allegations of an eye socket fracture are false. 

I am amazed at how news agencies are all taking sides on this event and all content to report conjecture without evidence. 

For the life of me, I don't understand why anyone has any faith in any news organization any more.

They would rather be entertained so they can get a quick emotional rush.