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« Reply #525 on: April 07, 2018, 02:18:27 pm »


Can we quit comparing everything to 2008?   

In 2008 we were also pumping $150/barrel oil and paying over $4/gallon for gas.   Of course the revenues were at all time highs.

Compare it to say, 2006 or 2009...  It suddenly doesn't look so bad.
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« Reply #526 on: April 07, 2018, 05:45:01 pm »

Can we quit comparing everything to 2008?   

In 2008 we were also pumping $150/barrel oil and paying over $4/gallon for gas.   Of course the revenues were at all time highs.

Compare it to say, 2006 or 2009...  It suddenly doesn't look so bad.

Per pupil spending in 2008 was only $73 per student higher than 2006, a 1.8% increase over two years that didn't even cover inflation over the two years.

Try again.
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« Reply #527 on: April 07, 2018, 05:49:37 pm »

Can we quit comparing everything to 2008?   

In 2008 we were also pumping $150/barrel oil and paying over $4/gallon for gas.   Of course the revenues were at all time highs.

Compare it to say, 2006 or 2009...  It suddenly doesn't look so bad.

Using CPI, the conversion factor from '09 to '18 is 1.17.  That makes 2009 equal to $2,962,091,964.   Which is still lower than the number shown for 2019.  (But, yes, not that far off.)   The problem is the decade(s) of  reduced spending, that have finally hit critical mass over the last year or so.  Also, the data seems to be being presented so as to say "hey, look at how great we are making 2019", as opposed to saying "we finally realized how bad we have been messing this up, and it's about time".  Failin' made her position clear with the teenager/car analogy.  She does not support bringing school funding back to historical levels, nor do a significant portion of the legislature.   I hope (but, honestly doubt) that voters remember all this come November and vote some folks out.
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« Reply #528 on: April 07, 2018, 06:01:01 pm »

   I hope (but, honestly doubt) that voters remember all this come November and vote some folks out.
  I am with you on this.  I plan on doing my best to remind them. 
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« Reply #529 on: April 09, 2018, 12:43:16 pm »

Education Secretary Betsy DeVos said Oklahoma teachers who walked out of their classrooms to protest school funding cuts should “keep adult disagreements and disputes in a separate place.”

Adjusted for inflation, Oklahoma spends nearly 30 percent less on schools than it did a decade ago. School buildings are crumbling in many parts of the state, textbooks are outdated and tattered, and about 20 percent of districts have moved to four-day school weeks. Oklahoma teacher salaries ranked 49th in the nation, according to a 2016 report by the National Education Association

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/education/wp/2018/04/09/betsy-devos-to-oklahoma-teachers-serve-the-students
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« Reply #530 on: April 09, 2018, 12:56:54 pm »

Unions do hire people to hold those "shame on" signs and sit outside of places.  But not 1250 people Cheesy


2 or 3.  And not likely by the NEA, either.   And there are all the rest in addition to the 1250 that are around the state locally right now.  Way more than 1250.

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« Reply #531 on: April 09, 2018, 01:02:15 pm »

Can we quit comparing everything to 2008?   

In 2008 we were also pumping $150/barrel oil and paying over $4/gallon for gas.   Of course the revenues were at all time highs.

Compare it to say, 2006 or 2009...  It suddenly doesn't look so bad.


Pick a year.  Then reread the part about 50,000 more students.  It is that bad.  And worse.

Especially compared to states that do care about their kids.

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« Reply #532 on: April 10, 2018, 07:51:53 am »

Can we quit comparing everything to 2008?   

In 2008 we were also pumping $150/barrel oil and paying over $4/gallon for gas.   Of course the revenues were at all time highs.

Compare it to say, 2006 or 2009...  It suddenly doesn't look so bad.

1) I used the information the Governor used.

2) In 2008 we took a major step towards becoming a one party state and the revenue cutting push began in earnest.

3) 2008 is a 10 year period, a frequent guide for comparison.

4) If you run the numbers for those years, it doesn't change the argument.  It doesn't change the conclusion that a decade of cuts with an increasing number of students leaves us far behind. If by "doesn't look so bad" you mean it can change the data by a few percentage points, you are correct. Go run the numbers, I believe you will not be impressed. 
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« Reply #533 on: April 14, 2018, 12:14:01 pm »

Governor claims that children were raped, used drugs while teachers protested

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/education/wp/2018/04/14/kentucky-governor-claims-that-children-were-raped-used-drugs-while-teachers-protested

The fail doesnt end at Failin.
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« Reply #534 on: April 14, 2018, 01:47:41 pm »

Governor claims that children were raped, used drugs while teachers protested

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/education/wp/2018/04/14/kentucky-governor-claims-that-children-were-raped-used-drugs-while-teachers-protested

The fail doesnt end at Failin.

So teachers exist to prevent drug use and sex.  That's a new one on me.
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« Reply #535 on: April 15, 2018, 07:13:01 am »

So teachers exist to prevent drug use and sex.  That's a new one on me.



Nothing new...sounds like 1967...
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