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« Reply #45 on: November 08, 2018, 07:46:57 pm »

Math is tough..,

OKCounty :  51.7% + 7%. = 58.7% republican in 2016 election

Tulsa County.:  58.4% + 6% =64.4% republican in 2016 election

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« Reply #46 on: November 08, 2018, 07:53:02 pm »

OKC represents ballpark 65-70% of OK County population
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« Reply #47 on: November 09, 2018, 01:13:27 pm »


OK county gave the right wing 170,000+ votes in 2016.  The independent was Gary Johnson, more red than Trump.  If you look at the red percentage versus blue, in OK county, it is 65% red.  Tulsa on the other hand is 55% red.  10% more purple than OKC.  Details, bro...details...



Do you not know what Libertarianism is? In short, socially liberal and typically fiscally conservative. Gary Johnson was governor of New Mexico on a fiscally-conservative socially-liberal platform and worked to legalize cannabis, a very "liberal" social policy. He is fiscally to the right of nearly every politician especially Mr. "Spend-Trillions-we-don't-have" Trump. Johnson actually cut spending as promised as NM governor. But socially he is more aligned with liberals (pro-choice, anti-drug war).

And if "red" = Republican (which means uninhibited government spending, endless wars and religious-based laws limiting personal freedoms), Johnson is in no way "more red than Trump".
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« Reply #48 on: November 10, 2018, 09:58:37 am »

Do you not know what Libertarianism is? In short, socially liberal and typically fiscally conservative. Gary Johnson was governor of New Mexico on a fiscally-conservative socially-liberal platform and worked to legalize cannabis, a very "liberal" social policy. He is fiscally to the right of nearly every politician especially Mr. "Spend-Trillions-we-don't-have" Trump. Johnson actually cut spending as promised as NM governor. But socially he is more aligned with liberals (pro-choice, anti-drug war).

And if "red" = Republican (which means uninhibited government spending, endless wars and religious-based laws limiting personal freedoms), Johnson is in no way "more red than Trump".



Broad brushes are tough to "touch up" aren't they - Libertarians are much more right wing that "liberal".  Legal cannabis is not a liberal social policy, it is a good fiscal policy for pretty much everyone except big pharma.  Crime costs go way down (prisons), drug prices go way down, cops aren't tied up with petty BS - reducing those costs, it actually helps people with fewer adverse outcomes than opioids, and leads to smaller government - not a great thing in so many areas!   These are all very fiscally and socially conservative points - that I agree and endorse wholeheartedly, except for the too small government philosophy of both Repubes and Libertarians.  


And yes, I do know what Libertarianism is;  Libertarianism is a system of beliefs for people who think adolescence is the epitome of human achievement.

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« Reply #49 on: November 11, 2018, 12:58:32 pm »


Broad brushes are tough to "touch up" aren't they - Libertarians are much more right wing that "liberal".  Legal cannabis is not a liberal social policy, it is a good fiscal policy for pretty much everyone except big pharma.  Crime costs go way down (prisons), drug prices go way down, cops aren't tied up with petty BS - reducing those costs, it actually helps people with fewer adverse outcomes than opioids, and leads to smaller government - not a great thing in so many areas!   These are all very fiscally and socially conservative points - that I agree and endorse wholeheartedly, except for the too small government philosophy of both Repubes and Libertarians.  


And yes, I do know what Libertarianism is;  Libertarianism is a system of beliefs for people who think adolescence is the epitome of human achievement.



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« Reply #50 on: November 12, 2018, 09:30:39 am »

Roll Eyes

You must be dizzy from all that spinning.


Lol...you are funny!


Actually, do you really believe Libertarians are not more 'con' than 'lib' ??

And reply #44 is still true and valid.

(You do remember that I have mentioned in the past that I don't have to 'write' very much of anything - I just copy/paste from Fake Fox News, et al, change the orientation, and voila' - the truth comes through.)
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« Reply #51 on: November 13, 2018, 11:48:33 am »


Broad brushes are tough to "touch up" aren't they - Libertarians are much more right wing that "liberal".  Legal cannabis is not a liberal social policy, it is a good fiscal policy for pretty much everyone except big pharma.  Crime costs go way down (prisons), drug prices go way down, cops aren't tied up with petty BS - reducing those costs, it actually helps people with fewer adverse outcomes than opioids, and leads to smaller government - not a great thing in so many areas!   These are all very fiscally and socially conservative points - that I agree and endorse wholeheartedly, except for the too small government philosophy of both Repubes and Libertarians.  



Libertarians are mostly pro-states rights as opposed to big centralized government. Legalizing weed is the fiscally conservative option, but is very "liberal" in the truest sense of the word and not conservative/traditional. Republicans aren't about saving money when it comes to "morality". They're about enforcing their personal beliefs on others through the force of law.




And yes, I do know what Libertarianism is;  Libertarianism is a system of beliefs for people who think adolescence is the epitome of human achievement.



That doesn't even make sense and it is not true. When you do blind political tests, most people align with Libertarian principles more than with either party. Libertarian is basically what the US system was for the first 50-100 or so years. Not perfect by any means and sort of madness at times, but more personal freedom and very few taxes. The new reality of the world requires far more laws and government control over certain industries. Libertarianism nowadays is more about opposing and limiting the escalation of government power as much as possible because when it's not "your guy" in the white house, they sure have a lot of power to do a lot of bad. It's also about opposing ridiculous "sin" laws like the war against drugs and outdated liquor laws.

Libertarianism is very idealistic and not realistic in it's "truest" form, but so is liberalism (which is a far cry from John Locke's Classical Liberalism). Libertarianism in the US is based on the core values that the US was founded on. It will never be achieved just like the ambitions stated in the Declaration of Independence. No one thinks the US will ever become anything remotely close to true Libertarian, but spending trillions we don't have while being in debt $22 trillion, not to mention the trillions more in unfunded liabilities, is not sustainable. Neither party is working to fix that and hardly even acknowledge it. There is plenty of waste in the federal government that could be cut out. Either we do it soon by choice or are forced to default and crash in the future.

The real problems are we need to actually tax the elite in the US (who use loopholes, lawyers/accountant and corporate welfare to pay almost zero tax). We need that extra revenue to fund critical shortfalls like Social Security, infrastructure and health care while also cutting costs to non essentials like the wars, subsidies and excessive defense spending. Both parties work against enough of those items so that the problems don't get solved. No one will tax the elite and no one cuts the ridiculously high defense spending or stops the endless wars.
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