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« Reply #285 on: October 14, 2014, 04:09:57 pm »

Now I really do like what the city did on Cherry Street, but...


Warm-white LED street lighting photo:

http://twitpic.com/ecq2ut/full

...because cold blue isnt the only option.



I guess it's a matter of taste I perfer those "Daylight" colors over the  "warm" or "soft" lights. In my house I use daylight curly bulbs, I don't like the  warm or soft white lighting.
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« Reply #286 on: October 23, 2014, 10:10:27 am »

Cities should consider glare, color when lighting streets with LEDs

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn26383-lighting-cities-with-cheap-glaring-leds-is-a-dim-move.html#.VEkljz3gpSR
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« Reply #287 on: December 19, 2014, 01:50:45 pm »


New York state just signed a law requiring efficient, low-glare lighting on public buildings, streets, walkways and public spaces. 

http://www.nysenate.gov/news/governor-signs-marcellino-bill-curtail-light-pollution-state-buildings



"By directing light into a focused beam, rather than allowing it to disperse, fully shielded lighting fixtures reduce light trespass and dangerous glare.
With less illumination needed to appropriately light a given area, fully shielded lighting fixtures are also more energy efficient."
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« Reply #288 on: December 19, 2014, 08:22:18 pm »

New York state just signed a law requiring efficient, low-glare lighting on public buildings, streets, walkways and public spaces. 

http://www.nysenate.gov/news/governor-signs-marcellino-bill-curtail-light-pollution-state-buildings



"By directing light into a focused beam, rather than allowing it to disperse, fully shielded lighting fixtures reduce light trespass and dangerous glare.
With less illumination needed to appropriately light a given area, fully shielded lighting fixtures are also more energy efficient."


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« Reply #289 on: January 04, 2015, 08:02:44 pm »

I'll partly admit I was playing a bit of the advocate with LPS lighting. I did find another nice picture displaying the power of modern fixture optics in modern light fixtures.In this case cobraheads.

http://mms.businesswire.com/media/20140508006463/en/414499/5/GE-LED-Roadway-Lighting-Oakland-Resized.jpg

The lighting looks really well done. Very little to no glare and a slight non uniformity in the lighting look well thought out. The intensity also looks appropriate. Only the CCT seems a bit high.
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« Reply #290 on: January 05, 2015, 11:14:21 am »

I'll partly admit I was playing a bit of the advocate with LPS lighting. I did find another nice picture displaying the power of modern fixture optics in modern light fixtures.In this case cobraheads.
http://mms.businesswire.com/media/20140508006463/en/414499/5/GE-LED-Roadway-Lighting-Oakland-Resized.jpg
The lighting looks really well done. Very little to no glare and a slight non uniformity in the lighting look well thought out. The intensity also looks appropriate. Only the CCT seems a bit high.


I should just go ahead and say it:  Low Pressure Sodium (LPS) is obsolete.

That type of light has its uses, such as near waterways, nature preserves, zoos or astronomical observatories, but nowadays that can be better accomplished with amber LEDs. 

They are marketed as "Turtle Friendly" lighting, and have a narrower color rendition than the orange/gold HPS streetlights most commonly found in Tulsa.

The big rush to spend federal grant money updating to LED streetlighitng means that we are going to be stuck with a lot of early-model, blue-rich LEDS that cast a cold, uninviting light.  Manufacturers sell the blue lights hand-over-fist to municipalities who dont know to ask for the warmer (but slightly dimmer) 3000K LEDs, whose color is indistinguishable from an incandescent bulb.

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« Reply #291 on: January 09, 2015, 05:42:08 pm »

I have to ask. Is it cost effective to light neighborhoods and residential collectors? If  neighborhood and residential streets were guaged against an avenue or arterial for street lighting upgrades,  what should receive the upgrade?
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« Reply #292 on: January 09, 2015, 06:41:37 pm »

I have to ask. Is it cost effective to light neighborhoods and residential collectors? If  neighborhood and residential streets were guaged against an avenue or arterial for street lighting upgrades,  what should receive the upgrade?

Cost effective compared to what?   Need a little more context.

I can say that when a municipality installs a streetlight, it assumes more liability than if it hadnt.
When that light burns out, or someone complains the lighting is "too dim" because it's overwhelmed by nearby glary commercial lighting, the city is on the loosing end if someone is hurt there.

If there were no light there to begin with, the city can fall back on the fact that streetlights are not legally required in Tulsa.

Lighting at intersections of residential-arterial does make practical sense.  More sense than, say, mid-block residential streetlights, mainly because they are high conflict areas between cars and pedestrians.   But that's policy, not ordinance.
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« Reply #293 on: January 27, 2015, 05:56:36 pm »

This is offered as an example (and not necessarily an endorsement).
 
http://www.acuitybrandslighting.com/library/AEL/DOCUMENTS/SPECSHEETS/ARDCL%20LED%20SPEC%20SHEET.PDF

The incandescent-looking 3000 Kelvin (3K) versions put out only 6% fewer lumens than the blue-ish 4K and 5K versions, so there's no excuse to still be installing blue streetlights.
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« Reply #294 on: March 03, 2015, 11:21:51 am »

There's a Blue-Light Backlash, where some cities were too quick to install older, bluish LED streetlights before investigating the availability of warmer-looking alternatives.

After the city installed 650 new LED lights in May designed to save money, citizens complained about them, so Davis city leaders will spend $350,000 to replace the lights.
http://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2014/10/21/davis-will-spend-350000-to-replace-led-lights-after-neighbor-complaints/

Coming to a street near you - the lights that keep you awake and could make people ill...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2609957/Coming-street-near-lights-awake-make-people-ill.html

Seattle’s new LED-lit streets: Blinded by the lights
http://crosscut.com/2013/03/streetlights-seattle-led/








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« Reply #295 on: March 22, 2015, 10:01:03 pm »

Another fun example of bad lighting: a photographer proved that bright lights don't increase "security" by showing two photos side by side.  In one, there's a "security light" shining directly in your eyes.  All you see is the glare bomb of light.  In the second, the photographer holds his hand out to block the blinding light (essentially creating a shielded light fixture), and it reveals a man standing just beyond the light, who was present in the previous shot...you just couldn't see him!  I love this example b/c it has been my experience more than once that lighting made it hard to see the ground in front of me or pedestrians in the street (hello TU acorns!). 

Im going to bet TPD is going to pull out all the stops on this one, and glare from nearby businesses is going to get some serious looking into:

A 43-year-old man died at a Tulsa hospital after being struck by a marked Tulsa Police patrol unit early Sunday, a police official announced.
James Moore of Tulsa had left the Mad Murphy's Bar, 5939 S. Lewis Ave., and was walking south on Lewis Avenue around 1 a.m. Sunday, Cpl. A.D. McPherson said in a release. The officer, who was not identified, was driving south on Lewis Avenue while en route to a call, the release states.
"The pedestrian was wearing dark colored clothing and crossed the roadway, at which time the officer's marked patrol unit struck the pedestrian (at 6000 S. Lewis Ave.)," McPherson said.
An investigation into whether the officer was speeding at the time of the collision is ongoing. The release did not state whether the patrol cruiser had an active dash cam.

http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/local/man-dies-after-being-struck-by-tulsa-police-patrol-car/article_79f2a586-d09c-11e4-841b-e381b6abb06e.html



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« Reply #296 on: March 23, 2015, 11:48:10 am »

Im going to bet TPD is going to pull out all the stops on this one, and glare from nearby businesses is going to get some serious looking into:

A 43-year-old man died at a Tulsa hospital after being struck by a marked Tulsa Police patrol unit early Sunday, a police official announced.
James Moore of Tulsa had left the Mad Murphy's Bar, 5939 S. Lewis Ave., and was walking south on Lewis Avenue around 1 a.m. Sunday, Cpl. A.D. McPherson said in a release. The officer, who was not identified, was driving south on Lewis Avenue while en route to a call, the release states.
"The pedestrian was wearing dark colored clothing and crossed the roadway, at which time the officer's marked patrol unit struck the pedestrian (at 6000 S. Lewis Ave.)," McPherson said.
An investigation into whether the officer was speeding at the time of the collision is ongoing. The release did not state whether the patrol cruiser had an active dash cam.

http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/local/man-dies-after-being-struck-by-tulsa-police-patrol-car/article_79f2a586-d09c-11e4-841b-e381b6abb06e.html


Do TPD patrol cars have "inactive" dash cams?
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« Reply #297 on: March 25, 2015, 10:20:15 am »

Do TPD patrol cars have "inactive" dash cams?

http://www.kjrh.com/news/local-news/investigations/investigation-tulsa-police-department-dash-cams-are-installed-but-many-arent-operating
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« Reply #298 on: March 25, 2015, 11:42:34 am »


Well that's just stupid-assed.
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« Reply #299 on: April 15, 2015, 07:49:38 pm »

Highway street lights around Tulsa are now major target for copper thieves, according to city officials.
http://www.ktul.com/story/28814948/copper-thieves-targeting-tulsa-highway-lights

No way!  Everyone knows street lights scare away criminals...

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