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Started by cannon_fodder, July 03, 2008, 08:43:35 AM

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wagebo

It may help bring people in but they won't stay...  I've been here two years, the length of my contract with SFH, and here I am already planning to leave.  I had those images of Tulsa from growing up here.  All through college I told my friends that if I was going to live in Oklahoma it would be in Tulsa.  Tulsa was, in my mind, a better place than OKC.  I hate the artificiality of Bricktown.  I felt like I was expected to like it b/c it was at least something...  The expectation made me automatically hate it.  Plus just like Tulsa's ideas it doesn't include realworld needs along with entertainment.

Tulsa is a cleaner looking city than OKC but that isn't saying much.  I had fun here in highschool and tried to make a go of it.  Once the glitter wore off I was ready to leave.  It only took a couple of months.  I'd been lurking here for a while and thought Tulsa was going to do something with its river, but that didn't pan out.  I gambled and lost and I think luring others here with unfulfilled/able promises of a wonderful place to live will only result in a lot of unhappy YP's that will just leave once their signing bonus contract has run out.  

That isn't a prospect that future employers look forward to.  Training new people is expensive.  If you can't keep people b/c they hate living where you are located you either have to move or not move there in the first place.

Rico

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Originally posted by wagebo

It may help bring people in but they won't stay...  I've been here two years, the length of my contract with SFH, and here I am already planning to leave.  I had those images of Tulsa from growing up here.  All through college I told my friends that if I was going to live in Oklahoma it would be in Tulsa.  Tulsa was, in my mind, a better place than OKC.  I hate the artificiality of Bricktown.  I felt like I was expected to like it b/c it was at least something...  The expectation made me automatically hate it.  Plus just like Tulsa's ideas it doesn't include realworld needs along with entertainment.

Tulsa is a cleaner looking city than OKC but that isn't saying much.  I had fun here in highschool and tried to make a go of it.  Once the glitter wore off I was ready to leave.  It only took a couple of months.  I'd been lurking here for a while and thought Tulsa was going to do something with its river, but that didn't pan out.  I gambled and lost and I think luring others here with unfulfilled/able promises of a wonderful place to live will only result in a lot of unhappy YP's that will just leave once their signing bonus contract has run out.  

That isn't a prospect that future employers look forward to.  Training new people is expensive.  If you can't keep people b/c they hate living where you are located you either have to move or not move there in the first place.



Aye....

Wagebo...

Cry me a river...! you don't like it get the hell out....... or go pay a shrink and cry on his shoulder..

You sound like a little girl. Waaa waaa waaaaa!

TURobY

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Originally posted by TheArtist

There is one difference though... people from around here, and other places, DO consider moving to places like Austin, Denver, Seattle, etc. but do young, creative class, people from other places consider Tulsa? If not, why not?  



Part of that may be "bigger city" syndrome. Just the fact of the city being larger is attractive and mistaken for being a panacea to the person's problem. "I can't find anything that I want to do", "I can't find employment in my specialty", etc. Regardless of the realities, some people will argue that a larger city will offer more opportunities. In some cases it might, and in some cases it just raises more problems.

I considered the move to Austin, and you know what I said when I went there for a vacation? "I can't get anywhere in a decent amount of time! I'm always stuck in traffic", "The music here isn't my cup of tea", etc.

It is rare that one will ever find that perfect place that suits you perfectly, so when you do find it stay there. I wish you luck wagebo, but I will humbly disagree with your assessment of the city.
---Robert

Conan71

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Originally posted by Rico

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Originally posted by wagebo

It may help bring people in but they won't stay...  I've been here two years, the length of my contract with SFH, and here I am already planning to leave.  I had those images of Tulsa from growing up here.  All through college I told my friends that if I was going to live in Oklahoma it would be in Tulsa.  Tulsa was, in my mind, a better place than OKC.  I hate the artificiality of Bricktown.  I felt like I was expected to like it b/c it was at least something...  The expectation made me automatically hate it.  Plus just like Tulsa's ideas it doesn't include realworld needs along with entertainment.

Tulsa is a cleaner looking city than OKC but that isn't saying much.  I had fun here in highschool and tried to make a go of it.  Once the glitter wore off I was ready to leave.  It only took a couple of months.  I'd been lurking here for a while and thought Tulsa was going to do something with its river, but that didn't pan out.  I gambled and lost and I think luring others here with unfulfilled/able promises of a wonderful place to live will only result in a lot of unhappy YP's that will just leave once their signing bonus contract has run out.  

That isn't a prospect that future employers look forward to.  Training new people is expensive.  If you can't keep people b/c they hate living where you are located you either have to move or not move there in the first place.



Aye....

Wagebo...

Cry me a river...! you don't like it get the hell out....... or go pay a shrink and cry on his shoulder..

You sound like a little girl. Waaa waaa waaaaa!



Bricktown artificial?  What the hell does that mean?  What would make a warehouse district more "authentic"?

He/she could join up with the Whinealot Tribe, they make camp on the banks of the Crymea River.

I always get a kick out of people who are situationally unhappy and try (unsuccessfully) to make the rest of us feel like a bunch of guilty boobs for not making the city more to their liking.

"It has been said that politics is the second oldest profession. I have learned that it bears a striking resemblance to the first" -Ronald Reagan

TheArtist



I have to say I personally like Tulsa. It has enough of just about everything I need. It has treated me quite well in my career thats for sure. Especially for being a smaller city. Though I could indeed make almost twice the money in some place like Dallas. Basically I am just attatched to Tulsa, its home for me and generations of my family.

The one big negative for me, and I hate to get personal lol, is that its always seemed to be a bad place to date. Especially in my age group. I may find someone to go on a date with, once every couple years... That sucks lol. And its not as though the population is really expanding in the single, professional, creative class, market here. Perhaps I am just an ugly loser that nobody would want anyway. It obviously has to be a possibility lol. Its either me, or eeeverybody else lol. Or I chalk a good portion of it up to this city not being attractive to others like myself.

Tulsa would be a fantastic city to live in if you had a partner. Sucks if you dont and your the kind of person who really wants a relationship.



"When you only have two pennies left in the world, buy a loaf of bread with one, and a lily with the other."-Chinese proverb. "Arts a staple. Like bread or wine or a warm coat in winter. Those who think it is a luxury have only a fragment of a mind. Mans spirit grows hungry for art in the same way h

we vs us

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Originally posted by TheArtist


Tulsa shouldnt just have commercials that show Philbrook, the indian statue in front of Gilcrease, the art-deco, Utica Square and all that kind of "boring old people" crap. Nice to have all those things, and yes some young people like them too, but they dont create a hip image, or even a stand out attractive one compared to other cities.

I would like to see commercials, magazine adverts, websites, etc. showing images of D-Fest, Tulsa Tough, people biking running and rollerblading playing soccer and vball along the river, a night shot up the canyon of Boston Ave, inside the glass blowing studio, some art galleries, the new arena, some cool graffiti art murals.  Show Tulsa as a fresh, funky, lively, hip, urban, city.




This ^^^^.




Townsend

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Originally posted by we vs us


This ^^^^.




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Aye

sgrizzle

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Originally posted by Conan71



Bricktown artificial?  What the hell does that mean?  What would make a warehouse district more "authentic"?



The lime green flume ride 12ft sub-grade does tend to look a bit out of place.

wagebo

true that...

As for being a whiner... I'm just letting you know what disappoints me about this city.  If I just said, "I hate it here."  You'd be all, "But why? Tulsa is great."  Believe me the only crying I'll be doing is for the dead and dying I'll take care of this weekend.  As for not liking what I have to say.  I guess the truth really does hurt.  Maybe you should open your eyes and ears and actually pay attention to what someone has to say.  I definately fit the demographic you're looking to attract here.  Could pay to listen.

Conan71

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Originally posted by wagebo

true that...

As for being a whiner... I'm just letting you know what disappoints me about this city.  If I just said, "I hate it here."  You'd be all, "But why? Tulsa is great."  Believe me the only crying I'll be doing is for the dead and dying I'll take care of this weekend.  As for not liking what I have to say.  I guess the truth really does hurt.  Maybe you should open your eyes and ears and actually pay attention to what someone has to say.  I definately fit the demographic you're looking to attract here.  Could pay to listen.



Or maybe you could look at your world with solution-oriented, instead of, problem-oriented vision.

"It has been said that politics is the second oldest profession. I have learned that it bears a striking resemblance to the first" -Ronald Reagan

wagebo

As for what I'd like to see Tulsa's DT become...  Someone on another thread here brought up Seattle City Center.  I'm also thinking Union Square in SF.  Big box stores but not in the box.  They should be at street level at the base of taller buildings.  Mixed Use.  Housing located nearby, above.  Condos in a building with 6-10 floors, underground parking.  Street level has services like grocery, coffee, drug store, restaurant...  You know a place where one can live without having to go anywhere else.  As for me leaving... It's a done deal.  I'll be travel nursing by the end of the month.  Maybe I will come back but I doubt any of local hospitals could afford me.

Townsend

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Originally posted by wagebo

true that...

 I definately fit the demographic you're looking to attract here.  



Maybe so but not the attitude.  We have enough negativity here.  You could take the time to try to better the things you hate here...you're leaving however.  

Now if you've actually done things to make it better here other than make your own living then I take it back but all I hear from you is whiney titty baby crap.

Take examples from others like Carlton Place, Recycle Michael, Waterboy, etc.  They're trying.  Hell even AA takes part in the goings on here to try to make it better.

If all you do is post to ***** then you suck and you deserve worse.  If you've attempted to fix the problems you've observed then kudos and thanks for trying.  It's all the rest of us can do.

wagebo

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Originally posted by Conan71

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Originally posted by wagebo

true that...

As for being a whiner... I'm just letting you know what disappoints me about this city.  If I just said, "I hate it here."  You'd be all, "But why? Tulsa is great."  Believe me the only crying I'll be doing is for the dead and dying I'll take care of this weekend.  As for not liking what I have to say.  I guess the truth really does hurt.  Maybe you should open your eyes and ears and actually pay attention to what someone has to say.  I definately fit the demographic you're looking to attract here.  Could pay to listen.



Or maybe you could look at your world with solution-oriented, instead of, problem-oriented vision.





Unfortnately I'm not rich otherwise I'd be building those condos and other things I'd like to see.  I did have a Ski the Tulsa Hills idea of building one of those indoor ski slopes.  Would be a great addition to Bells.  If only they were looking to rebuild somewhere close to downtown.

TURobY

But see, that's the great thing! You don't have to be rich to make a difference. You were looking for something to do? There are tons of municipal meetings... [;)]

I hear you on the money front though. I could only imagine the good I'd do if I won the lottery... that is if I played.
---Robert

Conan71

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Originally posted by wagebo

 Maybe I will come back but I doubt any of local hospitals could afford me.



No ego issues, here.

"It has been said that politics is the second oldest profession. I have learned that it bears a striking resemblance to the first" -Ronald Reagan