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 on: April 20, 2018, 10:54:42 am 
Started by sgrizzle - Last post by shavethewhales
So what I'm hearing... is no pedestrian bridge for the foreseeable future.  Can we not go back to using the old bridge until we are ready to put in a new one?  Or was the bridge so unsafe we shouldn't have been using it at all and just didn't know?

As we've discussed on here before, the bridge was found to be terribly unsafe. The concrete piers are barely held together and are way beyond fixing. The whole thing could come crashing down at any time.

Nobody "jumped the gun" by taking out the access. In fact, it should have been addressed long ago.

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 on: April 20, 2018, 10:37:55 am 
Started by johrasephoenix - Last post by Townsend
I figured by now there would've been more transplants from the Northeast or West Coast (Thinking NYC, Boston, Seattle, SFO, or LA) used to the urban lifestyle for which this price point would have represented a real bargain in a mind used to larger market urban real estate prices.

Curious...how many of those do you think have moved to Tulsa over the last five years?

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 on: April 20, 2018, 09:48:40 am 
Started by johrasephoenix - Last post by TulsaGoldenHurriCAN
I figured by now there would've been more transplants from the Northeast or West Coast (Thinking NYC, Boston, Seattle, SFO, or LA) used to the urban lifestyle for which this price point would have represented a real bargain in a mind used to larger market urban real estate prices.

Someone posted on this thread a while back about how for less, you can get really nice large condos in a lot of higher demand areas of larger cities. Sure, getting a stand-alone is going to be pricey in bigger cities, but comparable square-footage and interiors for much lower prices. Those cities actually have competition for urban housing. But apparently being the only one offering stand alone units downtown doesn't guarantee sales at such high prices.

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 on: April 20, 2018, 09:26:11 am 
Started by joiei - Last post by TulsaGoldenHurriCAN

I did look at the menu; the offerings look interesting and I'm glad it's in midtown instead of out south like alot of the better restaurants seem to be lately.  I'll be giving this a look.

If you look at the top rated places in the Tulsa area, Midtown and Downtown restaurants have tended to dominate the best-of lists (https://www.zomato.com/tulsa-ok/best-restaurants) including some relatively new places. I see what you're saying though because Midtown/Downtown markets have become a bit saturated and a lot of the new hot chains move to further out places to draw from a different market (like 101st and memorial) and people get excited, go there for a bit, but those types of places mostly go downhill eventually and end up being just another chain.

Some new highly-heralded places in midtown/downtown include: Prairie Fire, Amelia's, Jane's Delicatessen, Lone Wolf (downtown in Archer Building where a couple other restaurants are about to open). Nola's Creole just opened by Jason's Deli! Joe Mammas reopened. Jinya is an excellent ramen place (Rappongi is another ramen place downtown that is very delicious). Sabores is supposed to be great.

Fuel 66 food truck yard has really taken on a new life and seems to be picking up steam. Soon, the Mother Road Market (large urban/eclectic/local food court including 17 shops/food places) will open right by there at 11th and Lewis http://www.tulsanow.org/forum/index.php?topic=21229.45

Tons of new breweries have opened/expanded lately almost exclusively in midtown/downtown and many of those either have plans for food or have food trucks there frequently (Dead Armadillo has new large patio/concert/beer garden area. Renaissance Brewery, Heirloom, American Solera, and Cabin Boys opened recently. Welltown, Willow Family and Nothing's Left are about to open)

The Bramble (about to move to where the Phoenix was), East Village Bohemian Pizza and Sisserou's are a few that have been around awhile but lesser known great places.

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 on: April 20, 2018, 09:07:15 am 
Started by johrasephoenix - Last post by Conan71
She obviously has great tastes in modern urban living. Unfortunately for her the market wasn't there to support such high end design, especially not in 2015 and looks like still not today. It's like she built the perfect place for her and her budget without considering if there are 7 other Yvonnes in Tulsa.

I'm glad they take advantage of the space with 3 floors and rooftop, but they must have way overspent and then wasted 4 years of potential revenue if they would've just finished and then rented a couple out (maybe split some up into multi units). It's hard to imagine what a money pit this must be.

I figured by now there would've been more transplants from the Northeast or West Coast (Thinking NYC, Boston, Seattle, SFO, or LA) used to the urban lifestyle for which this price point would have represented a real bargain in a mind used to larger market urban real estate prices.

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 on: April 20, 2018, 09:03:21 am 
Started by sgrizzle - Last post by Conan71
The entrance to it has been dismantled (quite a significant section) and that would be expensive/wasteful to temporarily reconnect. It was deemed unsafe also.

In hindsight, making the repairs and putting in upgrades might've been the better route as it already provides a lot of what people wanted (shade, hang out areas), but I don't think that was a great/cheap option either and was too narrow.

Kind of like how Tulsa County created another Fairgrounds parking lot demolished Driller's Stadium before they had a signed contract with USA BMX.

One more useful and functional structure gone because someone(s) jumped the gun.  We apparently are still very much the Sooner state for those who know the lore behind that nickname.

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 on: April 20, 2018, 08:32:42 am 
Started by sgrizzle - Last post by TulsaGoldenHurriCAN
So what I'm hearing... is no pedestrian bridge for the foreseeable future.  Can we not go back to using the old bridge until we are ready to put in a new one?  Or was the bridge so unsafe we shouldn't have been using it at all and just didn't know?

The entrance to it has been dismantled (quite a significant section) and that would be expensive/wasteful to temporarily reconnect. It was deemed unsafe also.

In hindsight, making the repairs and putting in upgrades might've been the better route as it already provides a lot of what people wanted (shade, hang out areas), but I don't think that was a great/cheap option either and was too narrow.

 48 
 on: April 20, 2018, 08:28:24 am 
Started by johrasephoenix - Last post by TulsaGoldenHurriCAN
Perhaps Yvonne should have stuck to selling Chryslers.

She obviously has great tastes in modern urban living. Unfortunately for her the market wasn't there to support such high end design, especially not in 2015 and looks like still not today. It's like she built the perfect place for her and her budget without considering if there are 7 other Yvonnes in Tulsa.

I'm glad they take advantage of the space with 3 floors and rooftop, but they must have way overspent and then wasted 4 years of potential revenue if they would've just finished and then rented a couple out (maybe split some up into multi units). It's hard to imagine what a money pit this must be.

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 on: April 20, 2018, 08:15:28 am 
Started by johrasephoenix - Last post by TulsaGoldenHurriCAN

The whimsical vagaries of the easily bored...  with input from the marketing/sales branch of the real estate economy to get the "next big thing".  Change styles in fashion like changing clothes....   Am wondering when avocado green is coming back on appliances?   Or harvest gold...?



I think it's a lot more than that. This board is all about development and encouraging better city design to enrich the environment/scenery and ability to live well (and not necessarily with a car). Good interior design goes hand in hand with that and is in many ways the inside equivalent. Fortunately the demand for better-designed homes has skyrocketed so you get less of this: http://projectbritain.com/houses/img/kitchen/wood.jpg and more of this: http://bloomingcactus.me/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/average-cost-of-kitchen-remodel-full-size-of-kitchen-kitchen-remodeling-cost-average-kitchen-remodel-cost-kitchen-remodel-large-size-of-kitchen-kitchen-average-cost-kitchen-remodel.jpg

The Urban 8 were designed at a very high level and were shockingly well done when they first released renderings and then photos back in 2015/2016 with fixtures and colors that were perfect at the time. That basic interior layout will be something that works a long time. However, light fixtures, hardware and colors change more quickly. You can keep the same high-level design for 10+ years and it will still look great (and they still look awesome, much better than a typical house), but selling something to a high-end buyer will likely take a design that is extremely eye-catching and recent, not one from 4/5 years ago.

Asking a near-million-dollar home to be updated to more recent look than half a decade ago ago isn't unreasonable, especially when the market has delivered a higher level of finishes for that price range.

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 on: April 20, 2018, 08:06:53 am 
Started by johrasephoenix - Last post by Conan71
Perhaps Yvonne should have stuck to selling Chryslers.

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