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 on: July 17, 2018, 05:44:22 pm 
Started by Tulsa Zephyr - Last post by erfalf


Projection.  Deflection.  Diversion.  Dissemination of half truths - and not even half....  

As I stated before, and you obviously ignored, "If nothing else, just the fact that there are as many Republican supporters in the FBI as Democrat - and neither is gonna let the other get away with that kind of crap, if it were going on."  

Asked and answered.  In more ways than one.  And more times than one.

I made no claim.  DOJ made one.  Every news source, including the Fake one made claims.  And now, even Republicans are making claims.  Known to the world at large as stating facts.   All I do is repeat what is stated publicly by others.  And you say I make a claim....Lol.  If you take the blinders off, you might be able to see the entire world.  Amazing place - you might enjoy some of it.




I already pointed out how the DOJ made no such claim, yet I'm the one with blinders on. Got it. We'll move on. Just admit you made false claim every once in a while. It's endearing.

The really funny thing is you always say others are projecting, deflection, and diverting when that is literally your playbook when you can't backup your claims with evidence, which I'll admit is rare, but it does happen. You are just so fun to watch when it does.

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 on: July 17, 2018, 04:37:54 pm 
Started by patric - Last post by patric
Health Department official faked threats after Medical Marijuana ruling

The general counsel for the Oklahoma State Department of Health, who abruptly left her post Friday, faces criminal charges of falsely reporting a crime and creating a fictitious email to send herself threats over the agency's work on the state's new medical marijuana program.

Julie Ezell submitted her resignation Friday afternoon from the health department, hours after the filing of two lawsuits challenging emergency rules approved by the state Board of Health on July 10 regarding State Question 788.


https://www.tulsaworld.com/news/state/health-department-s-top-attorney-sent-threats-to-herself-regarding/article_cc17986d-98fd-5b44-ac50-c647ed371f15.html





Rogers County DA recuses from investigation into medical marijuana advocate's allegations against sheriff

The Rogers County district attorney has recused his office from evaluating whether a report filed by a medical marijuana advocate against the Rogers County sheriff would lead to charges.

Claremore Deputy Police Chief Steve Cox said Tuesday that the department received the report from Charles “Chip” Paul, co-founder and chairman of Oklahomans for Health, July 6. It was sent to Rogers County District Attorney Matt Ballard's office July 9.

Paul filed a lawsuit last month against Sheriff Scott Walton alleging that Walton assaulted him. Paul was attending a forum about medical marijuana at the Claremore Conference Center in June when he was marched out of the facility by Walton, video showed.


https://www.tulsaworld.com/news/local/rogers-county-da-recuses-from-investigation-into-medical-marijuana-advocate/article_c6f6c631-03ba-5b1e-9dbe-ba8b40c73d71.html

 23 
 on: July 17, 2018, 03:50:46 pm 
Started by Tulsa Zephyr - Last post by heironymouspasparagus
I'll just chalk that up as a you are going to stick with the talking points instead of answering the question.

herion's playbook exposed:
1. Make a claim.
2. Upon being presented with contradictory evidence, change the subject.
3. If that doesn't work, bring up Fox news or some derogatory name for a Trump supporter and move on.



Projection.  Deflection.  Diversion.  Dissemination of half truths - and not even half....  

As I stated before, and you obviously ignored, "If nothing else, just the fact that there are as many Republican supporters in the FBI as Democrat - and neither is gonna let the other get away with that kind of crap, if it were going on."  

Asked and answered.  In more ways than one.  And more times than one.

I made no claim.  DOJ made one.  Every news source, including the Fake one made claims.  And now, even Republicans are making claims.  Known to the world at large as stating facts.   All I do is repeat what is stated publicly by others.  And you say I make a claim....Lol.  If you take the blinders off, you might be able to see the entire world.  Amazing place - you might enjoy some of it.



 24 
 on: July 17, 2018, 03:47:40 pm 
Started by Tulsa Zephyr - Last post by erfalf
My logic brain is hurting.

No one will ever definitively prove that alleged bias did not influence a decision.

It simply can't be done.  Not only can you not prove the negative, but it is basically impossible to eliminate the possibility the someones state of mind did, or did not influence any particular action or inaction.  Saying that there is no evidence to support that conclusion, or that available evidence supports the actions/inactoins in the absence of bias, is about as good as one is going to get.

The burden of proof would lie with the one holding the alternate (non-null) hypothesis.  Like some hypothesis that political beliefs exchanged in text messages resulted in some vaguely referenced judgments/actions/inactions that are disliked.  You can't state a vague hypothesis and then argue its merit because it cannot be disproved.   That's pretty much the definition of a conjecture or conspiracy theory.

Not comparing your example to this, but I think it illustrates the point:

I know a lady who claims she had Sasquatch living near her at Haickey Creek Park.  She heard them all the time, and will do an impression for you. They ate her chickens and left hair on the fencing several times.  She sent the hair to OSU for analysis, but they destroyed it because the government is helping hide the Squatch. She doesn't have any more hair.  She tried to get pictures, but they are nocturnal and smart, so she always failed. If you go out there, you won't hear them anymore because they left when the Creek went in.  I'm not making this up, and there is no way I can prove that there was not Squatch living near out there.

But that doesn't mean Sasquatch used to live near Haickey Creek Park.

Hey, I was told bias played absolutely no part in this investigation by multiple people on here. They even told me that it was in every major publication (except FOX of course). I'm not the one holding the hard line hypothesis. I never once claimed that bias absolutely without doubt played a part in it, only that the IG report did not explicitly rule it out. I was then "corrected", incorrectly in my opinion.

 25 
 on: July 17, 2018, 03:32:08 pm 
Started by Tulsa Zephyr - Last post by cannon_fodder
My logic brain is hurting.

No one will ever definitively prove that alleged bias did not influence a decision.

It simply can't be done.  Not only can you not prove the negative, but it is basically impossible to eliminate the possibility the someones state of mind did, or did not influence any particular action or inaction.  Saying that there is no evidence to support that conclusion, or that available evidence supports the actions/inactoins in the absence of bias, is about as good as one is going to get.

The burden of proof would lie with the one holding the alternate (non-null) hypothesis.  Like some hypothesis that political beliefs exchanged in text messages resulted in some vaguely referenced judgments/actions/inactions that are disliked.  You can't state a vague hypothesis and then argue its merit because it cannot be disproved.   That's pretty much the definition of a conjecture or conspiracy theory.

Not comparing your example to this, but I think it illustrates the point:

I know a lady who claims she had Sasquatch living near her at Haickey Creek Park.  She heard them all the time, and will do an impression for you. They ate her chickens and left hair on the fencing several times.  She sent the hair to OSU for analysis, but they destroyed it because the government is helping hide the Squatch. She doesn't have any more hair.  She tried to get pictures, but they are nocturnal and smart, so she always failed. If you go out there, you won't hear them anymore because they left when the Creek went in.  I'm not making this up, and there is no way I can prove that there was not Squatch living near out there.

But that doesn't mean Sasquatch used to live near Haickey Creek Park.

 26 
 on: July 17, 2018, 03:14:18 pm 
Started by Tulsa Zephyr - Last post by erfalf

Unbelievable.  Even your Fake Fox News people are blasting Trump...how bad do you suppose it has to get for that to happen?   Just another Russian Fellow Traveler.



I'll just chalk that up as a you are going to stick with the talking points instead of answering the question.

herion's playbook exposed:
1. Make a claim.
2. Upon being presented with contradictory evidence, change the subject.
3. If that doesn't work, bring up Fox news or some derogatory name for a Trump supporter and move on.

 27 
 on: July 17, 2018, 02:42:52 pm 
Started by Tulsa Zephyr - Last post by heironymouspasparagus
Haven't been able to find it. Humor me.


Unbelievable.  Even your Fake Fox News people are blasting Trump...how bad do you suppose it has to get for that to happen?   Just another Russian Fellow Traveler.


 28 
 on: July 17, 2018, 02:03:55 pm 
Started by Tulsa Zephyr - Last post by erfalf

You are kidding, right?   It has been answered.  Repeatedly.  By every real news outlet in the world.



Haven't been able to find it. Humor me.

 29 
 on: July 17, 2018, 01:53:37 pm 
Started by Tulsa Zephyr - Last post by heironymouspasparagus
I'll continue to wait for the answer to my question I suppose.


You are kidding, right?   It has been answered.  Repeatedly.  By every real news outlet in the world.


 30 
 on: July 17, 2018, 01:52:31 pm 
Started by Vashta Nerada - Last post by heironymouspasparagus
Hey guys, this ain't the 1970's anymore. Get with the times...



Yeah...just like then...if the President does it, it isn't a crime.  Or Trump's corollary - if the President does it, it isn't Treason....

But really...it is.


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