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[Foodie haven: Mother Road Market to open Nov. 2]

Opening date announced!

Foodie haven: Mother Road Market to open Nov. 2

https://www.tulsaworld.com/business/retail/foodie-haven-mother-road-market-to-open-nov/article_a7a88336-670c-5fac-8f45-0861fb7fe3dd.html

See who's going into Mother Road Market when it opens Nov. 2

https://www.tulsaworld.com/photovideo/slideshows/see-who-s-going-into-mother-road-market-when-it/collection_9be5f7a8-d220-5f1a-8b68-e2631c9cab60.html

Let's see if they can get a pedestrian crossing at 13th so residents and brewery visitors can cross more safely.

Thanks!   Even at three feet, the water is going to be right up to that trail.   (When I was there last night, there was a nominal flow of water over the top of the dam, not more than a few inches at most, and the water level was basically what is shown it the picture above.)  I am really looking forward to getting the dam fixed and doing some kayaking on the "new" lake.

Absolutely.  The way it's currently designed the whitewater flume should be a pretty cool attraction in its own right. 

And good point about the trail.  Right now it looks pretty stark but you have to think about what it will look like once the water level is 3 ft. higher.  I wonder what they'll do with the concrete stairs on the other side of the river, or if that gets torn out when they demo the bridge.  I'm also interested to see how far the higher pool goes north, and if you'll see much difference around Blue Rose or in the cove by the Waterside apartments.

Costco was actually looking at OKC first.  Also, Lyft and Uber where in OKC first.  Not that it matters, but when you state such false hoods and then compare everything in Tulsa to Bricktown, you look like an idiot not mentioning Midtown OKC, Uptown, Automobile Alley, The Plaza and Western Ave.   I live in Tulsa and spend a lot of time in OKC and you are coming off dumb.   We should be spending more time focusing on population growth, sales tax growth, and attracting large employers like OKC instead of wondering why a larger city may  get an IKEA first.  We worry to much about losing our self perceived cool factor that we forget about the real important things that create a vibrant city.   What will attract sales tax growth, population growth and large employers?   We need to get our head of the sand and work harder to compete with OKC.   Sadly,  We are still pretty far behind.  What would we do with out Mr. Kaiser?  He has single handily been responsible for a significant portion of investment in this city (Guthrie Green, Brady District, Gathering Place and Etc.).  All of us need to do more to make this city where OTHERS want to live.  Who gives a crap about IKEA?  How about a temporary tax for city schools and public transportation?  How about a dedicated funding source for police and fire?  How about funding a new convention center and attracting a convention hotel?  How about a dedicated funding source for our aging zoo?  Think big!

Awesome first post.

I’m not buying you live in Tulsa. The ONE post that gets you to register an account is this Ikea thread? And you know nothing about Tulsa? See, two years ago the last Vision Tulsa vote and other recent bond issues have addressed basically every point you bring up.

First, Tulsa schools are not in the physical condition that OKC schools were/are as there have been regular bond issues to address building needs. The last one three years ago was almost a half billion dollar bond issue.
https://www.tulsaworld.com/news/education/tulsa-voters-approve-record-setting-school-bond-package/article_310450cd-146c-58f1-bc07-af723480ef0b.html
https://www.tulsaschools.org/connect-with-us/partner-with-us/bond-status-bids-proposals

I wish the Vision plan had more for public transportation, but it did start a permanent tax for public transit and funds a BRT line along Peoria and a transit hub.
https://ktul.com/news/local/new-bus-rapid-transit-service-coming-to-peoria-avenue

The Vision plan had a very large permanent tax for police and fire, more than $250 million, and adds 225 police and fire personnel
https://www.tulsaworld.com/opinion/editorials/tulsa-world-editorial-vision-tax-working-as-tulsa-police-fire/article_aba6c883-efe2-5411-89cf-7382882fb78a.html

The last Vision plan also included  renovations to the convention center, on top of funds from Vision 2025. With $55 million from Vision the city has started removing the old arena and will be replacing it with new 40,000 square foot ballroom and new three story entrance to the convention center. This work goes with all the Vision 2025 work on the convention center from 10 years ago. Tulsa doesn’t need a “new” convention center. As for a hotel, the convention center already has a convention hotel (The DoubleTree) along with two other onsite hotels (aLoft and Best Western). Those three hotels have 700 rooms and already exist. And plans have been floated THIS WEEK for another larger convention hotel as part of a huge new plan for the area around the arena. It’s been all over the news, and talked about here. Funny how you missed that but got outraged over an IKEA post that is nonsense anyway. There is no IKEA going to either city. 
https://www.tulsaworld.com/news/local/million-overhaul-of-cox-business-center-to-begin-this-week/article_42819c32-1457-59be-8b70-a671d1bf4a0f.html
https://www.tulsaworld.com/news/government/final-public-meeting-on-arena-district-master-plan-set-for/article_bc40eb80-3859-5eb2-bddd-03cb9e2f1e7e.html

It will be 3 ft. higher so the trail will be closer to the normal elevation of Zink Lake.

Thanks!   Even at three feet, the water is going to be right up to that trail.   (When I was there last night, there was a nominal flow of water over the top of the dam, not more than a few inches at most, and the water level was basically what is shown it the picture above.)  I am really looking forward to getting the dam fixed and doing some kayaking on the "new" lake.

We took the dog over last night for "Dog Wednesdays" and had a great evening.   They are still working out the kinks with the dog thing, as they don't have formal rules for how to get the dogs from the East side over the dog park area (which is the hill basically behind the Boat House, where the scaffolding for the laser show was).   But, everyone was very courteous about everything and they did mention they are looking at some way to make it an off-leash area during the dog hours, but that will require some better fencing that what is there now.  Overall, thumbs up for what they are trying to do to make the dog-people happy.

While there, I noticed the trail and inlet you mention.   One thing that struck me is that it is my understanding that the new dam will be about four feet higher than the existing one.  If so, this piece of trail will be very close to waterline.  I am I wrong on the new dam height?  Can anyone confirm?  It would not be a ton of work to redo this small section of trail, but seems they should have known about that when building it.

It will be 3 ft. higher so the trail will be closer to the normal elevation of Zink Lake.  There is some more info on the dam and whitewater flume project here: https://riverprojectstulsa.info/index.php/arkansas-river-low-water-dams-and-public-accessrecreational-improvements

Curious when they plan to finish work along Zink Lake?  Hoping they add more landscaping in the spring.  Recent pic showing what looks like that little inlet with a trail next to it from the renderings below

We took the dog over last night for "Dog Wednesdays" and had a great evening.   They are still working out the kinks with the dog thing, as they don't have formal rules for how to get the dogs from the East side over the dog park area (which is the hill basically behind the Boat House, where the scaffolding for the laser show was).   But, everyone was very courteous about everything and they did mention they are looking at some way to make it an off-leash area during the dog hours, but that will require some better fencing that what is there now.  Overall, thumbs up for what they are trying to do to make the dog-people happy.

While there, I noticed the trail and inlet you mention.   One thing that struck me is that it is my understanding that the new dam will be about four feet higher than the existing one.  If so, this piece of trail will be very close to waterline.  I am I wrong on the new dam height?  Can anyone confirm?  It would not be a ton of work to redo this small section of trail, but seems they should have known about that when building it.

How about a temporary tax for city schools and public transportation?  How about a dedicated funding source for police and fire?  How about funding a new convention center and attracting a convention hotel?  How about a dedicated funding source for our aging zoo?  Think big!

Some of these items were part of the latest Vision Tulsa sales tax extension.  And the convention center has been expanded and renovated, including a current project to replace the arena.  A convention hotel is planned as part of the Arena District master plan.

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Same guy? What an attention sucker (cleaned the more common phrase up). Has he nothing better to do? His youtube channel is full of some pretty shameful stuff that would be embarrassing to most decent people, and certainly not the kind of stuff a logical well-grounded person would post online. He's an instigator.

Regardless of whether they may or may not ban open carry, I wouldn't trust this guy to protect anyone or make a sound decision under a real life or death situation. This is an example of a kind of person some people are concerned about freely obtaining guns and bringing them in public with no one judging whether they're mentally competent. Not that there's a good solution, even for police screening.

Gotta disagree...he isn't an instigator...I am an instigator.   He is just an a$$hole acting like an idiot.   Have seen a few people doing the open carry thing...it's stupid for a lot of reasons, self preservation being the first among them, but don't think he would even understand that.

Second paragraph...yeah...just like that.

Costco was actually looking at OKC first.  Also, Lyft and Uber where in OKC first.  Not that it matters, but when you state such false hoods and then compare everything in Tulsa to Bricktown, you look like an idiot not mentioning Midtown OKC, Uptown, Automobile Alley, The Plaza and Western Ave.   I live in Tulsa and spend a lot of time in OKC and you are coming off dumb.   We should be spending more time focusing on population growth, sales tax growth, and attracting large employers like OKC instead of wondering why a larger city may  get an IKEA first.  We worry to much about losing our self perceived cool factor that we forget about the real important things that create a vibrant city.   What will attract sales tax growth, population growth and large employers?   We need to get our head of the sand and work harder to compete with OKC.   Sadly,  We are still pretty far behind.  What would we do with out Mr. Kaiser?  He has single handily been responsible for a significant portion of investment in this city (Guthrie Green, Brady District, Gathering Place and Etc.).  All of us need to do more to make this city where OTHERS want to live.  Who gives a crap about IKEA?  How about a temporary tax for city schools and public transportation?  How about a dedicated funding source for police and fire?  How about funding a new convention center and attracting a convention hotel?  How about a dedicated funding source for our aging zoo?  Think big!

Your first post and you have called a long-time member of the forum an idiot and dumb. Please be more respectful.