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December 14, 2017, 06:26:51 pm
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 on: Today at 05:37:46 pm 
Started by sgrizzle - Last post by Conan71
He donated the Philtower to the Scouts too, to pay for the upkeep on Philmont. They talk about the donation of Philmont and The Philtower in the orientation for scouting groups when they get to Philmont, or least they used to do so.

I was unaware of that until we moved here, it's very much in the lore of Philmont still.  That was the endowment to maintain Philmont, but Philtower sold some time back and I'm unsure about the ownership of Philcade.  They've got an amazing donor network for Philmont now and are spending a good deal on improvements.  The National BSA museum is moving to the grounds of Philmont and is currently under construction

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 on: Today at 04:16:42 pm 
Started by Conan71 - Last post by heironymouspasparagus
It's an unfortunate condition plaguing society today, but not one that we have to live with forever. Maybe this is naive of me to think this, but I just have faith in the goodness of human nature that we will one day move beyond this. I see it in my kids more than ever. They don't get that race and skin color are a thing. Or that Sapna has a strange name, that's just her name. Or that Enrique speaks with an accent. They just don't look through that blurry lens that my generation, and even more so the previous generations did. That is what leads to my "naivete". One day when my kids are of age, they will be looking at our generations saying what in the hell were you doing, just like we are doing to the previous generations now.


Very naive - we won't move past it as long as people like Trump, Moore, and Sessions (and others) are celebrated and held up as examples.  Their 3 past histories alone should make them poster boys about how NOT to behave and think.   Oh, wait...to thinking people, they are just that!






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 on: Today at 03:35:38 pm 
Started by sgrizzle - Last post by swake
If they are moving in there, what are they doing in that big 6 story building they build in South Tulsa?

https://www.google.com/maps/@36.0463446,-95.8656642,3a,39y,327.08h,98.84t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s3F96D9OeMufeOxz5eam8nQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en-US


I know the new building on 81st is the new main office replacing the one on 31st, I guess the downtown stuff is just a new branch.

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 on: Today at 03:09:17 pm 
Started by sgrizzle - Last post by TeeDub
The Tulsa Teachers Credit Union is taking over a large part of the street level of the Philcade.  

If they are moving in there, what are they doing in that big 6 story building they build in South Tulsa?

https://www.google.com/maps/@36.0463446,-95.8656642,3a,39y,327.08h,98.84t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s3F96D9OeMufeOxz5eam8nQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en-US

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 on: Today at 03:03:17 pm 
Started by sgrizzle - Last post by swake
That's too bad, it was a nice little retail enclave.  Our last shopping season in Tulsa was quite memorable with a stop in there, Decopolis, and the then new Boxyard last year.

Being in Cimarron, NM now we know many people from Philmont Scout Ranch and have had guests at our B & B on Philmont Staff Association business frequently.  Philbrook, Philtower, and Philcade all become a neat topic of conversation when it comes up that MC and I moved here from Tulsa.  The PSA is having their gathering in Tulsa this next year with several tours planned.  Kind of cool to get to still live with WP's legacy around us.  Just the idea that someone donated as much land as he did to the Boy Scouts and the legacy for the arts he left with Philbrook is pretty amazing.

He donated the Philtower to the Scouts too, to pay for the upkeep on Philmont. They talk about the donation of Philmont and The Philtower in the orientation for scouting groups when they get to Philmont, or least they used to do so.

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 on: Today at 02:52:51 pm 
Started by sgrizzle - Last post by Conan71
Made has a small Christmas shop, and there are a couple others but I doubt they'll be there for long. Now that Made is in the Archer Building I don't know if they'll have a presence after the new year.

That's too bad, it was a nice little retail enclave.  Our last shopping season in Tulsa was quite memorable with a stop in there, Decopolis, and the then new Boxyard last year.

Being in Cimarron, NM now we know many people from Philmont Scout Ranch and have had guests at our B & B on Philmont Staff Association business frequently.  Philbrook, Philtower, and Philcade all become a neat topic of conversation when it comes up that MC and I moved here from Tulsa.  The PSA is having their gathering in Tulsa this next year with several tours planned.  Kind of cool to get to still live with WP's legacy around us.  Just the idea that someone donated as much land as he did to the Boy Scouts and the legacy for the arts he left with Philbrook is pretty amazing.

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 on: Today at 02:30:30 pm 
Started by sgrizzle - Last post by dsjeffries
Construction Photo Update




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 on: Today at 12:46:27 pm 
Started by Conan71 - Last post by cannon_fodder
I disagree.  Racism has always and probably will always be a thing, in some form.  The ancient Greeks had preconceived notions of various peoples and so do we.  I have every expectation that my kids will too.

Preconceived notions aren't necessarily the problem.  Sapna is probably of Indian or SE Asian descent.  Enriques accent likely means he speaks Spanish or was raised by or around people who do/did.  Someone named Mohammed is very likely Muslim.   Someone who was raised in China almost certainly has very different life experiences than I do.  All of that is a preconceived notion that gives us clues about who those people are - it could be wrong.  But with that knowledge we can extrapolate more details, which get progressively less likely to be accurate, but can still be useful in many ways (such as helping us pick up on social clues or understand context).

Having that knowledge isn't a problem.  Relying on it as a fact is a problem.  Using it to treat everyone one thinks it might apply to as a single unit is a problem. Using it to treat people differently, for perceived good or for bad, is a problem. But the preconceived notions in and of themselves are just part of life experiences and human bias - the trick is knowing they exist and being able to, or at least trying to set them aside.

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 on: Today at 11:01:39 am 
Started by Conan71 - Last post by erfalf
However, it is impossibly naive to think that racism has not been a major issue throughout the history of the US, and is not still a factor in our daily lives.  Color is, unfortunately, still a major factor in how people live their lives in this country.  It will be great when it isn't, and we should all work towards that goal, but let's be realistic as to where we are right now.

It's an unfortunate condition plaguing society today, but not one that we have to live with forever. Maybe this is naive of me to think this, but I just have faith in the goodness of human nature that we will one day move beyond this. I see it in my kids more than ever. They don't get that race and skin color are a thing. Or that Sapna has a strange name, that's just her name. Or that Enrique speaks with an accent. They just don't look through that blurry lens that my generation, and even more so the previous generations did. That is what leads to my "naivete". One day when my kids are of age, they will be looking at our generations saying what in the hell were you doing, just like we are doing to the previous generations now.

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 on: Today at 10:16:06 am 
Started by Conan71 - Last post by rebound
Don't play into that mumbo jumbo. People are people, and about the time everybody understand that skin color really is not a determining factor in ANYTHING, is about the time we will all get over this crap that is going on in society now a days. It's racist in my mind of you to assume that is racist. You are saying it is racist because in your mind it plays on the assumption that blacks are "dim witted" or whatever you want to call it. But you are the one with the racist thought in your mind. Get it. You just need to forget about all the stuff you have been brain washed with and realize that everyone just wants to be treated the same. That means, they want to be able to tell  the same jokes, and poke fun at each other with fear of some person being offended about race and color that really has nothing to do with anything anymore. Do you realize I am like 2% black. You all probably are even more. I have a ton of everything in me. We all do. We have passed beyond the point where we are all different. We are all the same.

Rant over!

I want to be clear, I wasn't calling you a racist.  I was (and am) suggesting that the meme you used was not the best one to make your point because, as we have seen by others' comments, it can definitely be taken that way.  (I mean, seriously, I shouldn't have to explain the symbology and innuendo going on in the picture.) Context does matter, and if you are arguing a point, don't give the opposition easy angles of attack.

I also want to agree with this sentence:

"People are people, and about the time everybody understand that skin color really is not a determining factor in ANYTHING, is about the time we will all get over this crap that is going on in society now a days."

However, it is impossibly naive to think that racism has not been a major issue throughout the history of the US, and is not still a factor in our daily lives.  Color is, unfortunately, still a major factor in how people live their lives in this country.  It will be great when it isn't, and we should all work towards that goal, but let's be realistic as to where we are right now.

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