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« Reply #15 on: July 15, 2008, 01:03:38 pm » |
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Peaches!?! What are you Floyd? A hedonist?
Okay if the bribes don’t work and if OKC won't let us have it I say split the state. Succession.
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« Reply #16 on: July 15, 2008, 01:07:29 pm » |
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Conan, just one of those Bumpkinvilles takes 15 minutes. If you get stuck behind a truck forget it. And there's still some two lane between here and there. I want Autobahn. Good for the bottom line.
I disagree...Atoka is tops 5 minutes to get through; even with a light and even behind a truck. And, unless it's restricted by construction, no stretch of that highway is anything under 4 lanes. I can count on one hand the number of towns you drive through. You don't even drive through Stringtown, you drive above it. Okmulgee, Atoka, Tushka and Kiowa. That's it. Okmulgee and Atoka are the two largest. Tushka slows you down because of Barney Fife patrolling up and down the highway. Kiowa's not near as bad either. And you have the one light in Henryetta. |
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« Reply #17 on: July 15, 2008, 03:25:42 pm » |
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Conan, just one of those Bumpkinvilles takes 15 minutes. If you get stuck behind a truck forget it. And there's still some two lane between here and there. I want Autobahn. Good for the bottom line.
Where is there 2 lanes between Tulsa and Dallas using 75 - Indian Nation - 69 - 75 - Central expressway? Have I missed it? And Atoka doesn't take all that long even with a lot of trucks. Okmulgee is the one I hate. That and the red light at Choctaw World. |
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« Reply #18 on: July 15, 2008, 03:53:28 pm » |
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Maybe it just felt like two lanes. I stand corrected.
My point is that it would be good for business in Tulsa if we could cut the drive time between Tulsa and Dallas.
But it may take an enlightened despot to make it happen.
You see Joiei, when I was growing up here, OKC was a sleepy cow town and Tulsa was a sophisticated eastward looking city. We were fat and sassy with lots of oil business.
I left Tulsa for the first time during high school and returned three years ago. I'm still getting used to all the changes and trying to decipher how we can build on our strengths.
I can't stand second rate anything. I can’t handle OKC being smarter and more successful than us.
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« Reply #19 on: July 15, 2008, 04:38:48 pm » |
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Agree to disagree--I see the value in terms of commerce, but I also like stopping to get fresh peaches on my way between stops.
The other annoying thing I could do without is that casino down there--sometimes traffic backs up at the stoplights and you lose time.
IMO, the tribe should be responsible to build a fly-over and exit ramps for that cluster-**** of a place. I also think the Cherokee Tribe should pony up part of the cost for 193rd E. Ave improvements and to help replace the I-44 bridge there. We are just now finally getting ODOT to start paying more attention to the 244/75 bridge over the Arkansas, 15th & 21st on the BA (obvious corrosion and concrete issues), and 161st and 193rd on I-44. They should have already started replacing 161st two years ago when concrete started falling off cars. They also need to do something about the holes and ****ty expansion-joint fixes on the IDL. It's a toss up of which is worse- my truck having to run through the ruts or picking my way through them on my motorcycle. I'm a little more worried about that right now than spending five minutes in Atoka if we had to name our priorities. |
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« Reply #20 on: July 15, 2008, 05:14:50 pm » |
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It took me a little over 4 hours this weekend when I went to look at places to live and a school down there.
Oh, and...I got a speeding ticket. Sweet.
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« Reply #21 on: July 15, 2008, 05:21:33 pm » |
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Agree to disagree--I see the value in terms of commerce, but I also like stopping to get fresh peaches on my way between stops.
The other annoying thing I could do without is that casino down there--sometimes traffic backs up at the stoplights and you lose time.
IMO, the tribe should be responsible to build a fly-over and exit ramps for that cluster-**** of a place.
I also think the Cherokee Tribe should pony up part of the cost for 193rd E. Ave improvements and to help replace the I-44 bridge there.
I think they just donated $11,000,000 to speed up the rebuilding of that whole intersection. It was in the paper, like headlines and all. |
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« Reply #22 on: July 15, 2008, 06:02:47 pm » |
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It took me a little over 4 hours this weekend when I went to look at places to live and a school down there.
Oh, and...I got a speeding ticket. Sweet.
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« Reply #23 on: July 15, 2008, 09:26:28 pm » |
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I would really like bypasses around Okmulgee and the towns between the Indian Nations TPK and Texas. I think Okmulgee already has a sort of a bypass part way the east side. It just doesn't continue to the south side of the city. The little towns claim the lower speed limits are for the safety of their citizens. Think how much safer it would be if the traffic went around the city on a limited access highway rather than through town. There are impulse buyers to be sure but I think the majority of through traffic is exactly that... going through. If you want to drive through the small town for whatever reason, get of the highway and do it. It's hard to tell how much time it would save but the trip would be safer, less expensive (if the state keeps Barney Fife off the expressway), and probably be a little more fuel efficient since there would be cruise control the whole way. Mostly it would be less annoying.
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« Reply #24 on: July 16, 2008, 06:51:46 am » |
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For me the most important issue here is how has OKC been able to thwart Tulsa. Tulsa has the wealthiest zip code in Oklahoma. Can't we leverage that into political power in state government?
We have let state government thwart our attempts to get a state university. We have let OKC determine there will be only one growth corridor and reserve it for themselves.
Since when is Tulsa a helpless victim on the receiving end of everything? People that have spent their lives watching this dynamic evolve could explain the mechanics behind OKC's dominance. I wish you would explain it to me.
If we can't even compete with a city with less talent and potential in our own state we have a very serious problem. Is it incompetence of our elected officials? Is it a matter of numbers? Is it that OKC is larger and controls more votes? Is Kathy Taylor Brad Henry's point person in Tulsa?
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« Reply #25 on: July 16, 2008, 07:54:54 am » |
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Well HT, I agree with you. It seems OKC can get their state delegation together to make the State work for them. Perhaps it's just perception, but Tulsa does not do nearly as good of a job. Or, at very least, has not in the past.
Highway construction
Access to Highways (toll/non-toll)
Public Hospitals
Public 4-year Colleges
Funding for Entertainment
Governmental Jobs
There's my short list. Perhaps I'm just jealous. But it seems to be somewhat justified.
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« Reply #26 on: July 16, 2008, 08:00:24 am » |
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HT, my observation is that it is more related to the rural areas of the state. When the rest of the state says, "Lets go to the city", they are referring to OKC not Tulsa. Gaylord's publication and the airwaves in the lower 2/3 of the state are dominant. OKC is in a major market, we are not. Our city slicker personality does not compare favorably to their cowtown personality though neither one is accurate.
What that means is that they are more likely to make alliances with, and defer to, the OKC leadership. The challenges are not unlike our own city where we divide between suburban and townie.
Secession seems unlikely any more than South Tulsa leaving the metro though both are pleasant thoughts.
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« Reply #27 on: July 16, 2008, 09:48:35 am » |
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Something dawned on me. OKC might have just gotten dumb luck for being drawn into the I-35 corridor and that's why they got four-laned and bypassed to DFW a long-time ago. Though, 75 is a U.S. highway, yes?
If they would have decided Wichita didn't need to be on the Interstate system, it would have made very good sense to run I-35 from DFW through Tulsa on to Kansas City.
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« Reply #28 on: July 16, 2008, 09:57:05 am » |
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/\/\/\/\ If you look at the Chisholm Trail, I-35 follows that pathway to get cattle from Texas to market in Kansas City.
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« Reply #29 on: July 16, 2008, 01:42:53 pm » |
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It took me a little over 4 hours this weekend when I went to look at places to live and a school down there.
Oh, and...I got a speeding ticket. Sweet.
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You moving to Big D?
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