Beer Rules (!)

[swake]

quote:Originally posted by Conan71

quote:Originally posted by EricP

quote:Originally posted by Conan71

Patric, that's the rub as I see it.  Traffic enforcement of DUI has saveed a lot more lives  than closing liquor stores at 9pm and archaic laws about high point beer.

Let's do a survey of DUI drivers and ask them how many are microbrew buyers and how many are stumbling idiots coming home from bars clubs, drinking 3 point and mixed drinks. Grr.

I'm sure a % of drunk drivers are people who ran out and were going back to the store to get more, but not the largest %.  I used to follow the stats a lot closer.  

DUI's a whole other issue.  There's no excuse for it.  A cab ride is a whole lot cheaper and safer for everyone.

I would think that people that buy at a liquor store drink at home mostly, and therefore have less need to drive. Making that scenario more difficult than going to a bar, getting loaded and then driving home makes no sense.

But then not selling cold beer so the purchaser can't drink the beer in the car makes sense since if he can't drink a cold beer he may as well take a shot (or three) of Jack Daniels.

[cannon_fodder]

quote:Originally posted by Steve

but I also think there is general public benefit too.  I see no reason to change the current regs.

Steve, many on here have posted why they think the laws should change.  You have stated that you don't drink beer and there is no reason to change them.  Is that the benefit to the general public, that is has no effect on you so why not?  Doesn't make sense to me.

The correlation between alcohol availability and problems with alcoholism is weak at best.  In Iowa, where I grew up and went to undergraduate gas grocery stores sell beer, vodka and wine.  Yet I see far more liquor bottles and 40oz in the streets if Tulsa and Oklahoma has a higher alcoholism and DUI rate.

What good do these laws serve?

* Most underage kids get exactly the amount of alcohol they want (not more available because sold in grocery store/cold), generally drink crap, and are "exposed" to alcohol pervasively in our culture such that seeing it on grocery store shelves shouldn't traumatize them - so any argument involving "think of the children" doesn't make much sense

* Alcoholics generally are not drinking $10 a 6 pack micro brews and usually have a stock for Sundays, after 9pm, or can go buy some Old Mill at QT or to a bar if they want a fix.

* Drunk drivers are drunk driving; why does it matter if they drive drunk to a liquor store to get more beer or a QT, a friends house, or a bar?  It is something illegal no matter the destination.

* Many microbrews are NOT pasteurized and are thus effected by the temperature changes.  What's more, even if pasteurized there is a common belief that temperature changes alter the beer and/or cause it to age faster.

* Saving unneeded jobs is also a poor argument.  Why not dictate doormen, chauffeurs, elevator men, or abolish traffic lights and have attendance direct traffic... to create jobs (all done in some countries).  

Really, I'm curious... someone that is in favor to our current regulation or even more obtrusive regulation - why?

[grahambino]

what constitutes 'room temperature'?
that seems ambiguous if that is the way the law is written.
what if a liquor store had a 'room' where the temp. was at say... 35 degrees?

[Townsend]

quote:Originally posted by grahambino

what constitutes 'room temperature'?
that seems ambiguous if that is the way the law is written.
what if a liquor store had a 'room' where the temp. was at say... 35 degrees?

Excellent try but there's guidelines apparently.

Main Entry: room temperature
Function: noun
: a temperature of from 59° to 77°F (15° to 25°C) which is suitable for human occupancy and at which laboratory experiments are usually performed

Merriam-Webster's Medical Dictionary, © 2002 Merriam-Webster, Inc.

[cannon_fodder]

What if the room was poorly insulated during the winter and the AC malfunctioned in the summer.  []

[grahambino]

well, I am happy that the law as it was written was written by people who apparently didn't drink.
I'm so happy they had to foresight back in 1959, to limit consumer choice.  I am grateful they knew they could & still can continue to save me from myself.  If the State government doesn't do it, there's no way any of us could display any modicum of self control.

You see it all the time.  Someone in Texas buying a cold six pack of Miller Lite and drinking all 6 RIGHT THERE IN THE PARKING LOT!

Hell, every time I'm in Texas, I go to Kroger, get a 6 pack. I'm insatiable, I can't even wait to get to the car.  I'm popping my third one open by the time I'm starting the car.

All beer drinkers are like this, too.  Every last one, don't lie.  You know you are. We cannot control ourselves.  You have to have that beer fix...right now.  RIGHT NOW.
Its 5pm somewhere, right?!

[Breadburner]

Exposure to sunlight does more damage than temp changes.....

[mspivey]

Iraq. Who cares

The economy. Yawn

Home foreclosures. Zzzzzzzzzzz

Immigration. Talk to me later

But give 'em cold beer or else.

[grahambino]

considering your most recent posted topics are such pressing issues as...

-Can a private school do this?
-My WinStar Casino Project
-Auto Body Shops
-Boyd Coddington dead at age 63

i would make a suggestion you dismount from your vertically endowed equine.

[custosnox]

quote:Originally posted by grahambino

well, I am happy that the law as it was written was written by people who apparently didn't drink.
I'm so happy they had to foresight back in 1959, to limit consumer choice.  I am grateful they knew they could & still can continue to save me from myself.  If the State government doesn't do it, there's no way any of us could display any modicum of self control.

You see it all the time.  Someone in Texas buying a cold six pack of Miller Lite and drinking all 6 RIGHT THERE IN THE PARKING LOT!

Hell, every time I'm in Texas, I go to Kroger, get a 6 pack. I'm insatiable, I can't even wait to get to the car.  I'm popping my third one open by the time I'm starting the car.

While your at it, lets have our government save all of us from ourselves in everyway.  From now on, you have to eat what the government tells you to, drink what the government tells you to, sleep when the government tells you to.  No more sky diving, bungee jumping, hang gliding, or even riding roller coasters, as these are all dangerous.  While we are at it, let's take your keys from you, since you obviously can't be trusted to drive yourself to work.  So tell me, exactly where we draw the line?  When do we get to live our own lives, instead of the government leading it for us?  If this is the system you trully prefer, then I suggest you find a nice communist country to live in.  

quote:Originally posted by grahambino

All beer drinkers are like this, too.  Every last one, don't lie.  You know you are. We cannot control ourselves.  You have to have that beer fix...right now.  RIGHT NOW.
Its 5pm somewhere, right?!

Kinda funny, I just finished my left over case of corona from new years eve last weekend.  Granted, I keep having trouble finding limes in the store (what is up with that anyways), but still.  I am a beer drinker, but yet I can have just one, and I can go weeks without one.  So if you have this much of a problem with self control, then I think it's time you go to AA, and let the rest of us practice our own self control

[EricP]

quote:Originally posted by grahambino

what constitutes 'room temperature'?
that seems ambiguous if that is the way the law is written.
what if a liquor store had a 'room' where the temp. was at say... 35 degrees?

Haha.. now that you mention it, Brown's Bottle Shop in Stillwater would always have it absolutely FRIGID in there. Those guys know what's up

[TURobY]

quote:Originally posted by custosnox

quote:Originally posted by grahambino

well, I am happy that the law as it was written was written by people who apparently didn't drink.
I'm so happy they had to foresight back in 1959, to limit consumer choice.  I am grateful they knew they could & still can continue to save me from myself.  If the State government doesn't do it, there's no way any of us could display any modicum of self control.

You see it all the time.  Someone in Texas buying a cold six pack of Miller Lite and drinking all 6 RIGHT THERE IN THE PARKING LOT!

Hell, every time I'm in Texas, I go to Kroger, get a 6 pack. I'm insatiable, I can't even wait to get to the car.  I'm popping my third one open by the time I'm starting the car.

While your at it, lets have our government save all of us from ourselves in everyway.  From now on, you have to eat what the government tells you to, drink what the government tells you to, sleep when the government tells you to.  No more sky diving, bungee jumping, hang gliding, or even riding roller coasters, as these are all dangerous.  While we are at it, let's take your keys from you, since you obviously can't be trusted to drive yourself to work.  So tell me, exactly where we draw the line?  When do we get to live our own lives, instead of the government leading it for us?  If this is the system you trully prefer, then I suggest you find a nice communist country to live in.  

quote:Originally posted by grahambino

All beer drinkers are like this, too.  Every last one, don't lie.  You know you are. We cannot control ourselves.  You have to have that beer fix...right now.  RIGHT NOW.
Its 5pm somewhere, right?!

Kinda funny, I just finished my left over case of corona from new years eve last weekend.  Granted, I keep having trouble finding limes in the store (what is up with that anyways), but still.  I am a beer drinker, but yet I can have just one, and I can go weeks without one.  So if you have this much of a problem with self control, then I think it's time you go to AA, and let the rest of us practice our own self control

...I think it was sarcasm...

[custosnox]

quote:Originally posted by TURobY

quote:Originally posted by custosnox

quote:Originally posted by grahambino

well, I am happy that the law as it was written was written by people who apparently didn't drink.
I'm so happy they had to foresight back in 1959, to limit consumer choice.  I am grateful they knew they could & still can continue to save me from myself.  If the State government doesn't do it, there's no way any of us could display any modicum of self control.

You see it all the time.  Someone in Texas buying a cold six pack of Miller Lite and drinking all 6 RIGHT THERE IN THE PARKING LOT!

Hell, every time I'm in Texas, I go to Kroger, get a 6 pack. I'm insatiable, I can't even wait to get to the car.  I'm popping my third one open by the time I'm starting the car.

While your at it, lets have our government save all of us from ourselves in everyway.  From now on, you have to eat what the government tells you to, drink what the government tells you to, sleep when the government tells you to.  No more sky diving, bungee jumping, hang gliding, or even riding roller coasters, as these are all dangerous.  While we are at it, let's take your keys from you, since you obviously can't be trusted to drive yourself to work.  So tell me, exactly where we draw the line?  When do we get to live our own lives, instead of the government leading it for us?  If this is the system you trully prefer, then I suggest you find a nice communist country to live in.  

quote:Originally posted by grahambino

All beer drinkers are like this, too.  Every last one, don't lie.  You know you are. We cannot control ourselves.  You have to have that beer fix...right now.  RIGHT NOW.
Its 5pm somewhere, right?!

Kinda funny, I just finished my left over case of corona from new years eve last weekend.  Granted, I keep having trouble finding limes in the store (what is up with that anyways), but still.  I am a beer drinker, but yet I can have just one, and I can go weeks without one.  So if you have this much of a problem with self control, then I think it's time you go to AA, and let the rest of us practice our own self control

...I think it was sarcasm...

I would hope so, but even if it was, there are people out there that think that way.  It just infuriates me when they keep passing all these idiotic laws on the claim that it's for MY safety.    Like the seatbelt law.  Don't even get me started on that one.

[cannon_fodder]

I think we already went over the seat belt thing...

You're refusal to wear a seatbelt can cost ME money.  An accident at 10 mph causes minimal damage with a seatbelt, but can cause severe head injuries without it.  Costing me personally big bucks and society as a whole.

If there was a waiver of additional damages on failure to wear a seatbelt, I wouldn't care.  But as a persons refusal to take precautionary measures has negative impacts on me, I insist you wear one.  When your rights infringe mine - something has to give.  In the case of seat belts forcing people to spend 3 seconds to put on a belt is less than forcing someone to spend many years wages paying for someones hospital bills and total disability (same with motor cycle helmets).  

I'm a strong advocate of both practices and a tacit accomplice is supporting the laws.

The alcohol arguments, on the other hand, do NOT infringe on other's rights and there is no evidence that the preventative and restrictive measures adopted have any impact on the implied negatives anyway.

[grahambino]

quote:Originally posted by custosnox

quote:Originally posted by TURobY

quote:Originally posted by custosnox

quote:Originally posted by grahambino

well, I am happy that the law as it was written was written by people who apparently didn't drink.
I'm so happy they had to foresight back in 1959, to limit consumer choice.  I am grateful they knew they could & still can continue to save me from myself.  If the State government doesn't do it, there's no way any of us could display any modicum of self control.

You see it all the time.  Someone in Texas buying a cold six pack of Miller Lite and drinking all 6 RIGHT THERE IN THE PARKING LOT!

Hell, every time I'm in Texas, I go to Kroger, get a 6 pack. I'm insatiable, I can't even wait to get to the car.  I'm popping my third one open by the time I'm starting the car.

While your at it, lets have our government save all of us from ourselves in everyway.  From now on, you have to eat what the government tells you to, drink what the government tells you to, sleep when the government tells you to.  No more sky diving, bungee jumping, hang gliding, or even riding roller coasters, as these are all dangerous.  While we are at it, let's take your keys from you, since you obviously can't be trusted to drive yourself to work.  So tell me, exactly where we draw the line?  When do we get to live our own lives, instead of the government leading it for us?  If this is the system you trully prefer, then I suggest you find a nice communist country to live in.  

quote:Originally posted by grahambino

All beer drinkers are like this, too.  Every last one, don't lie.  You know you are. We cannot control ourselves.  You have to have that beer fix...right now.  RIGHT NOW.
Its 5pm somewhere, right?!

Kinda funny, I just finished my left over case of corona from new years eve last weekend.  Granted, I keep having trouble finding limes in the store (what is up with that anyways), but still.  I am a beer drinker, but yet I can have just one, and I can go weeks without one.  So if you have this much of a problem with self control, then I think it's time you go to AA, and let the rest of us practice our own self control

...I think it was sarcasm...

I would hope so, but even if it was, there are people out there that think that way.  It just infuriates me when they keep passing all these idiotic laws on the claim that it's for MY safety.    Like the seatbelt law.  Don't even get me started on that one.

sarcasm ++++