Taylor wants to restrict access to new City Hall

[Conan71]

quote:Originally posted by hoodlum

there are a lot of people, me included, who think that is one of the best buildings downtown.

Staubach & Co. seemed to agree...

[Gaspar]

It's got an interesting design on the inside, but I think the outside is about as ugly as you can get.

Architecture is very subjective.  I like organic, warm designs that incorporate the landscape and use natural materials, shapes and elements.

Some folks like the Borg Cube design of this building with it's simple modern geometry.

I can appreciate all types of design, but if I want to live or work somewhere, I'd rather it be more Earthly.

[Hometown]

If the administration is worried that citizens might wander onto a private corporation's floor, what will they think about protesters at the entrance to the building?

This building would be appropriate for back offices.  Executive offices and people who deal directly with the public should have been left at the classic old city hall in civic center.

But after finding out that the new BOK Arena does not have any dedicated parking I'm about to conclude that Tulsa really has gone crazy and there's no accounting for anything she does.

Yes, Conan, I was in SF when Moscone was assassinated.

And I have been shocked by the lack of security in public buildings here but there is a smart way to do security and then there is Tulsa's way.

[RecycleMichael]

I like the fact that you can see in all the windows. I am for transparency in government.

[inteller]

quote:Originally posted by RecycleMichael

I like the fact that you can see in all the windows. I am for transparency in government.

that joke is old and tired.

[RecycleMichael]

Old and tired describes me well.

Recycling jokes is my right.

[TulsaSooner]

quote:Originally posted by Hometown

But after finding out that the new BOK Arena does not have any dedicated parking I'm about to conclude that Tulsa really has gone crazy and there's no accounting for anything she does.

Was she Mayor when the arena was proposed, Vision 2025 passed and the arena site selection was performed?

[YoungTulsan]

quote:Originally posted by TulsaSooner

quote:Originally posted by Hometown

But after finding out that the new BOK Arena does not have any dedicated parking I'm about to conclude that Tulsa really has gone crazy and there's no accounting for anything she does.

Was she Mayor when the arena was proposed, Vision 2025 passed and the arena site selection was performed?

Accounting for parking would have put the proposed price tag higher.  We were sold a $123 million arena that will realistically cost $200M+ when all is said and done.  Brushing off the parking issue was just one more way to push the project through with a lower than realistic price tag.  They probably expect there to be a demand for parking after the thing opens and people get irritated.  Then, they'll float the proposal to fund parking structures.

[Hometown]

quote:Originally posted by TulsaSooner

quote:Originally posted by Hometown

But after finding out that the new BOK Arena does not have any dedicated parking I'm about to conclude that Tulsa really has gone crazy and there's no accounting for anything she does.

Was she Mayor when the arena was proposed, Vision 2025 passed and the arena site selection was performed?

I was blaming that one on Tulsa not Taylor.

[PonderInc]

It's been several years since I was in One Tech Center, and I can't remember much about the floor layout (except they had cool "cafes" on each floor).  However, I imagine that it might be cheaper to put a reception desk on each floor by the elevators than to pay people just to escort the general population around. (What do you do...take a number when the escort is busy?  How many escorts do you need?)   Every city department I've visited has a reception desk anyway...just locate them strategically by the elevators.  If necessary, throw up a few walls to channel visitors to the appropriate reception area.

In the Williams Resource Center and Tower they have guys whose full-time job is to build new walls and conference rooms, and move cubicles around.  It's like a giant lego/erector set.  Can't imagine that this would not be possible in the more modern OTC.

I have no problem with the public obtaining a security badge...but the escort thing is silly.  Reminds me of bringing boys into the back of a sorority house.  "Man on 1st!"

At the same time, I'm sure that everyone at city hall has not forgotten the recent events in Kirkwood, MO.  A bit more security is probably smart.

[EricP]

quote:Originally posted by PonderInc

It's been several years since I was in One Tech Center, and I can't remember much about the floor layout (except they had cool "cafes" on each floor).  However, I imagine that it might be cheaper to put a reception desk on each floor by the elevators than to pay people just to escort the general population around. (What do you do...take a number when the escort is busy?  How many escorts do you need?)   Every city department I've visited has a reception desk anyway...just locate them strategically by the elevators.  If necessary, throw up a few walls to channel visitors to the appropriate reception area.

In the Williams Resource Center and Tower they have guys whose full-time job is to build new walls and conference rooms, and move cubicles around.  It's like a giant lego/erector set.  Can't imagine that this would not be possible in the more modern OTC.

I have no problem with the public obtaining a security badge...but the escort thing is silly.  Reminds me of bringing boys into the back of a sorority house.  "Man on 1st!"

At the same time, I'm sure that everyone at city hall has not forgotten the recent events in Kirkwood, MO.  A bit more security is probably smart.

There is a reception desk at the main entrance to each floor off of the elevators. Not sure why they wouldn't just lock the back door and make people go through there if they had to, but they are probably worried about confused public banging on our door upstairs or something, then molesting the CIO somebody has a meeting with who is waiting to get let into our floor and asking him where to pay the water bill.. who knows.

The business world can have some crazy requirements, it's not like people don't know this. Mixing the city with tenants = extra fun.

[Hometown]

You may recall there was a great deal of discussion about mixing private and city at the then proposed new city hall here at TulsaNow.  It was obvious then that Taylor was h*** bent on getting the new building and so was the Tulsa World.  Talk about twisting arms.  

You would like to believe that the Tulsa World would have some foresight but I am afraid that a lot of the incompetence we associate with Tulsa can be blamed on the Tulsa World and their naked and often stupid agenda.

Now if they can ever get Ramada Inn or some such operation to buy the old city hall you are going to find citizens dismayed when they locked out of civic center.

[PonderInc]

It's not uncommon for building security badges to allow access to certain floors but not others.  I can't imagine that this is a showstopper.  

Presumably there will be signs that say: 7th floor, Joe Blow, Inc.

I think the average Tulsa citizen can figure out the difference between private and public offices.  When I go to the eye doctor, I don't wander around the rectal clinic that's in the same building. I just look at the list in the lobby, figure out which floor/suite number I want, and head on up to my destination.  (Just like in every other office building in the world.)

[bokworker]

I thought the "escort" business was illegal..

[Double A]

I tried to warn you this was going to happen. I knew this greater public access sales pitch they were selling when conning the Council into this craptacular crystal castle was pure D B.S. and exactly the opposite of Da Mare's true intentions. Oh, but the red herring of security for the private tenants makes for such a lovely excuse for pulling this scam to install the Mare's toadies to keep tabs on all the comings and goings at city hall. Having to staff people just to escort people around City Hall kinda blows the whole "we're doing this to increase efficiency and provide greater public access" argument right out of the water. More bureaucracy is more like it.