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« Reply #1320 on: November 08, 2013, 09:35:09 am » |
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...Basically, you make medical insurance as easy to purchase as car, home, or life insurance. ...
How many cars do you see driving around with dents, or pieces falling off? How many houses do you see with broken windows or the half-donkey repair where the Tyvek is still showing? Is this the kind of healthcare we want in this country, because that's what would result. (OK, that is wild. There is an auto-replace for "a@@" to "donkey"? How old are we, twelve?)
The particular merits (or lack thereof) of the current ACA are definitely open for debate. But whether a person accepts (because the consumer cannot simply ignore the problem and must seek to fix it, and so must pay for the service one way or the other) that a pure free market does not work in healthcare, or they don't. If the market does not act in true free-market fashion, it should not be treated as such. |
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« Reply #1321 on: November 08, 2013, 09:44:38 am » |
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Free-market health care... would it work. The reason Indian Casinos are not regulated is that the Free Market was suppose to promote the payout numbers. That works good, doesn't it. I puts my quarters in and...
Just saying, without regulation, greed rules.
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I ran from OK about 50-yrs. ago & in 2010 I saw downtown's potential.
Tulsa's in a Phoenix rise, reason enough to stick around.
Besides... you can't fully be an Okie except in Oklahoma.
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« Reply #1322 on: November 08, 2013, 09:54:22 am » |
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Read closer. No one is advocating an elimination of standards, only an elimination of the restrictions designed to protect the insurance companies and empower the politicians. Standards and protections to the consumer must exist, but must not extend into a system that limits competition or innovation as we have today.
Carry on.
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« Reply #1323 on: November 08, 2013, 10:31:59 am » |
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Read closer. No one is advocating an elimination of standards, only an elimination of the restrictions designed to protect the insurance companies and empower the politicians. Standards and protections to the consumer must exist, but must not extend into a system that limits competition or innovation as we have today.
Carry on.
My words are not worthy. Or I lack the words. Not regulation in the sense of standards. What is the word? I know that the USA has a failed system. Other nations have better systems and they are not all, if any, based on a free enterprise market. Competition in the Health Care industry... doesn't that sound like an ugly greedy way of offering care of any kind. And Death, people: get over it. If someone had not asked if I was a veteran I would not have known that the VA could help me get the medical treatment I needed, BUT! I was willing to die. Heck, I've had a stinking great life, no kids and two ex-wives... life has been great so when I go, Woo-hoo. But I am not everyone. When I saw a 5-year old waiting in the same x-ray room with me and two giezers that looked like mummies I thought only one thing, let the three of us old guys go, save the kid. But enough. Greed and the desire to live. Got to get rid of one of them or what is the solution. |
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I ran from OK about 50-yrs. ago & in 2010 I saw downtown's potential.
Tulsa's in a Phoenix rise, reason enough to stick around.
Besides... you can't fully be an Okie except in Oklahoma.
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And Death, people: get over it. ... BUT! I was willing to die. Heck, I've had a stinking great life, no kids and two ex-wives... life has been great so when I go, Woo-hoo. But I am not everyone.
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« Reply #1325 on: November 08, 2013, 11:16:28 am » |
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Read closer. No one is advocating an elimination of standards, only an elimination of the restrictions designed to protect the insurance companies and empower the politicians. Standards and protections to the consumer must exist, but must not extend into a system that limits competition or innovation as we have today.
Carry on.
I'm all for innovation and cost control, and that is obviously and sorely needed in healthcare today. But my point was specific to the comparison of healthcare insurance to auto and home insurance. Even in a free market (and even though some level of insurance is required to own and drive a car, etc...) there is still a significant portion that either (a) doesn't have it, or (b) has the bare minimum, and so doesn't adequately address "fixing" their vehicle or home. While this is OK (at least for argument's sake) for a car, I would posit that it is not OK for person. I.E., everybody should (must) have access to true healthcare services, and should use them. I'm for any and all options that assure (ensure?) healthcare coverage for all. Either some form of private insurance competitive model, or as a single-payer system, is fine with me. |
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« Reply #1326 on: November 08, 2013, 11:24:13 am » |
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It's unfortunate that you think the future has nothing to offer you or you to the future.
Red Arrow speaks wrong... present tense is me now... I spoke of me when... How I felt was that if this is the end of the wind I will lay on the earth and listen. I did. The wind picked up again. I am born in the wind, like an arrow, but arrows must drop. I am fortunate. I get medicine I could not afford thanks to me being in the military for three years. I never would have guessed. Got lucky... I guess. That is me. Some people are far from lucky. They are less willing to accept that the wind under their feathers is ending and so their flight. And they were not afforded the medicine I was given. Fly well, Red Arrow. I wish you peace when the time comes. |
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I ran from OK about 50-yrs. ago & in 2010 I saw downtown's potential.
Tulsa's in a Phoenix rise, reason enough to stick around.
Besides... you can't fully be an Okie except in Oklahoma.
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« Reply #1328 on: November 08, 2013, 01:35:44 pm » |
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Red Arrow speaks wrong... present tense is me now... I spoke of me when... How I felt was that if this is the end of the wind I will lay on the earth and listen. I did. The wind picked up again. I am born in the wind, like an arrow, but arrows must drop.
I am fortunate. I get medicine I could not afford thanks to me being in the military for three years. I never would have guessed. Got lucky... I guess. That is me. Some people are far from lucky. They are less willing to accept that the wind under their feathers is ending and so their flight. And they were not afforded the medicine I was given.
Fly well, Red Arrow. I wish you peace when the time comes.
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« Reply #1329 on: November 08, 2013, 01:45:22 pm » |
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Shadows?
Are only afforded by direct sunlight. There are no answers, only shadows. What? |
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I ran from OK about 50-yrs. ago & in 2010 I saw downtown's potential.
Tulsa's in a Phoenix rise, reason enough to stick around.
Besides... you can't fully be an Okie except in Oklahoma.
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« Reply #1330 on: November 08, 2013, 03:44:44 pm » |
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Shadows?
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« Reply #1331 on: November 08, 2013, 05:43:49 pm » |
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On a happy note: I sit with 66.6%. Suck it. That turkey will go to John 3:16 and be some happy fat food for most likely (whisper: Most likely), a very gracious family. When I can reciprocate, I shall, Good man. I shall, Good man.
By the way, the thought of Chris Farley playing the Mayor of T... makes me so sad not to see the fruition of such.
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I ran from OK about 50-yrs. ago & in 2010 I saw downtown's potential.
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Red Arrow speaks wrong... present tense is me now... I spoke of me when... How I felt was that if this is the end of the wind I will lay on the earth and listen. I did. The wind picked up again. I am born in the wind, like an arrow, but arrows must drop. I recognize the words but you speak a different dialect than I understand. The only reference to "arrow" for my TNF name has to do with the name of a (real) Trolley Company in suburban Philadelphia, PA from the early 1900s to about 1968. Nothing poetic or related to Native Americans. Your attempted poetic endeavors are wasted on me. I still think you don't (didn't) care if you lived or died. Unfortunate. I have more things I want to do and see. |
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« Reply #1333 on: November 08, 2013, 09:59:17 pm » |
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I recognize the words but you speak a different dialect than I understand. The only reference to "arrow" for my TNF name has to do with the name of a (real) Trolley Company in suburban Philadelphia, PA from the early 1900s to about 1968. Nothing poetic or related to Native Americans. Your attempted poetic endeavors are wasted on me.
I still think you don't (didn't) care if you lived or died. Unfortunate. I have more things I want to do and see.
As a buddhist in concept I make only that point. Not caring. Craving is the cause of illness, pain, and suffering. You end with you "want." I say, just be. Like I said. |
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« Reply #1334 on: November 08, 2013, 10:08:52 pm » |
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As a buddhist in concept I make only that point. Not caring. Craving is the cause of illness, pain, and suffering. You end with you "want." I say, just be. Like I said.
You obviously live in a different world than I do. Craving or wanting something leads to actions that can result in achieving a goal and the satisfaction that comes with achieving that goal. I have no intention of sitting around in a (drug induced?) stupor taking whatever happens to me. I believe I can positively affect the events in my life. Plus, I like to eat each day, have a roof over my head, air conditioning in the summer, heat in the winter...... I don't expect someone else to provide that without some action on my part. If you choose to take whatever comes your way, that's fine. Just don't come to me for help if you decide you don't like the outcome. |
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