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« Reply #855 on: November 16, 2012, 04:25:00 pm » |
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Neither are 8 hour work days but it's good to have them.
That would be quite a luxury. |
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« Reply #856 on: November 16, 2012, 04:26:46 pm » |
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That would be quite a luxury.
"Work smarter, not harder." Scrooge McDuck |
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« Reply #857 on: November 16, 2012, 05:23:00 pm » |
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Health insurance isn't a basic human right.
Maybe not, but medicare and medicaid are basic American rights. And changes are coming. More means testing. If you make over $85,000 (twice that for couples) you will end up with higher costs for drugs and higher premiums. Age will be pushed up to 67 for those under 55 today. A good sign that parties both want to tackle this .... estimated cost goes from 520 billion next year to 930 billion in 2020. Cuts and taxes.... |
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« Reply #858 on: November 16, 2012, 06:32:10 pm » |
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Age will be pushed up to 67 for those under 55 today.
So it's OK in your view to screw the darkies and the poor, who haven't seen the same life expectancy increases that white middle class people have? |
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« Reply #859 on: November 16, 2012, 08:13:33 pm » |
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So it's OK in your view to screw the darkies and the poor, who haven't seen the same life expectancy increases that white middle class people have?
To that I will say means testing has no blinders on.... [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=boO4RowROiw&feature=BFa&list=PLEB44485416769D92[/youtube] . |
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« Reply #860 on: November 16, 2012, 09:14:51 pm » |
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So it's OK in your view to screw the darkies and the poor, who haven't seen the same life expectancy increases that white middle class people have?
What about whites with a family history of heart disease and cancer. One of my friends died in his 40s of a heart attack. He had a family history of heart disease and occasionally said he never expected to see 65. Why do you want to screw people like him? |
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« Reply #861 on: November 16, 2012, 11:33:41 pm » |
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Maybe not, but medicare and medicaid are basic American rights.
Show me where that's laid out in the Constitution or BOR. Mebbe since FDR LBJ was the President, but calling it a basic right implies it's something our founding fathers envisioned which they didn't. |
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« Reply #862 on: November 17, 2012, 12:58:19 am » |
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Show me where that's laid out in the Constitution or BOR.
Mebbe since FDR LBJ was the President, but calling it a basic right implies it's something our founding fathers envisioned which they didn't.
FDR was the correct answer. Seems you've whited out the grand entitlements which precipitated from the Great Depression. If you've paid into the system, then you are due your rights. Just making certain you understand your right to reimbursement. You can always forego yours since it isn't in the BOR.  Oh take it, you bitter American. |
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« Reply #863 on: November 17, 2012, 12:03:59 pm » |
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What about whites with a family history of heart disease and cancer. One of my friends died in his 40s of a heart attack. He had a family history of heart disease and occasionally said he never expected to see 65. Why do you want to screw people like him?
Yeah, it happens. My dad died of a heart attack at 46 or so. That's got love all to do with my point, which is that we often do things in this country that disproportionately hurt minorities and the poor. It's almost like there's been a race and class war on for the past 40 years. |
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« Reply #864 on: November 17, 2012, 01:20:46 pm » |
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Yeah, it happens. My dad died of a heart attack at 46 or so. That's got love all to do with my point, which is that we often do things in this country that disproportionately hurt minorities and the poor. It's almost like there's been a race and class war on for the past 40 235 years.
Sad to lose one's Father at such an early age. Cardiovascular disease kills. Be safe. Eat right. Defend yourself against stress. |
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« Reply #865 on: November 17, 2012, 01:54:31 pm » |
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Yeah, it happens. My dad died of a heart attack at 46 or so. That's got love all to do with my point, which is that we often do things in this country that disproportionately hurt minorities and the poor. It's almost like there's been a race and class war on for the past 40 years.
We've put more nets under the poor and minorities the last 40 years than at any other time other than the Great Depression. |
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« Reply #866 on: November 17, 2012, 05:02:09 pm » |
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We've put more nets under the poor and minorities the last 40 years than at any other time other than the Great Depression.
No, we put the nets under the poor and minorities between the 30s and the 60s, and we've been slowly cutting them away ever since. I chose that time period for a reason, friend. |
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« Reply #868 on: November 17, 2012, 06:20:31 pm » |
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No, we put the nets under the poor and minorities between the 30s and the 60s, and we've been slowly cutting them away ever since. I chose that time period for a reason, friend.
You don't consider food stamps, unemployment, SSI, Medicaid, Medicare or Obamacare nets? We extended u/i benefits to 99 weeks, there are now 45+ million people getting SNAP vs. under 30 million in 2008, and Obamacare is heralded as bringing healthcare to everyone. I hardly see that as evidence of the nets being cut away. Please explain. |
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« Reply #869 on: November 17, 2012, 06:49:01 pm » |
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Yeah, it happens. My dad died of a heart attack at 46 or so. That's got love all to do with my point, which is that we often do things in this country that disproportionately hurt minorities and the poor. It's almost like there's been a race and class war on for the past 40 years.
My point is that you are choosing a group that doesn't have a long life expectancy. My chosen group doesn't have a long life expectancy either. Minorities are not the only ones with genetic poor life expectancies. You disappoint me. |
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