Kaiser River Plan Revealed

[patric]

quote:Originally posted by AVERAGE JOE

First blush: looks a reasonable set of concepts, and I particularly appreciate the fact they acknowledge that a lot more work and study needs to be done. Also noted -- they plan on the public taking part in the process once the engineering studies of what's possible are done.

The Whirled reports make it sound like the miniature divided highway is a done-deal proclamation, or are you referring to the new plan to put water in the river?

Question to the daily trail users:
I see the logic in widening the trail from it's original 8' fire lane width, but would two such trails really be necessary?

"(The) First rule in government spending: Why build one when you can have two at twice the price?"
   -- Carl Sagan, "Contact"

[brunoflipper]

quote:Originally posted by patric

quote:Originally posted by AVERAGE JOE

First blush: looks a reasonable set of concepts, and I particularly appreciate the fact they acknowledge that a lot more work and study needs to be done. Also noted -- they plan on the public taking part in the process once the engineering studies of what's possible are done.

The Whirled reports make it sound like the miniature divided highway is a done-deal proclamation, or are you referring to the new plan to put water in the river?

Question to the daily trail users:
I see the logic in widening the trail from it's original 8' fire lane width, but would two such trails really be necessary?

"The first rule of government spending: why build only one when you can have two at twice the price?"
   -- Carl Sagan, "Contact"

yes... on a daily basis, i am nearly run over by a cyclist... or, depending on your point of view, i nearly cause one of them to crash...

[Rage]

Hey at least there trying to do something but its a waste on just a path way...

[Ed W]

quote:Originally posted by patric


I see the logic in widening the trail from it's original 8' fire lane width, but would two such trails really be necessary?

The River Park Authority had a meeting two years ago regarding conflicts between pedestrians, skaters, and cyclists.  At high-use times, the congestion along the trail causes hazards to all trail users.  That's why there's now some signage and lane markings.  Back then, the idea of separated facilities was discussed, but funds were not available.

Chicago marked lanes along the popular lake front trail in an effort to separate cyclists and pedestrians.  It's had mixed success.  Too many people ignore the rules.  Should we expect better results here?

[waterboy]

quote:Originally posted by Ed W

quote:Originally posted by patric


I see the logic in widening the trail from it's original 8' fire lane width, but would two such trails really be necessary?

The River Park Authority had a meeting two years ago regarding conflicts between pedestrians, skaters, and cyclists.  At high-use times, the congestion along the trail causes hazards to all trail users.  That's why there's now some signage and lane markings.  Back then, the idea of separated facilities was discussed, but funds were not available.

Chicago marked lanes along the popular lake front trail in an effort to separate cyclists and pedestrians.  It's had mixed success.  Too many people ignore the rules.  Should we expect better results here?

Good point! Every once in awhile I come across a strange jogger on the path that decides to run against traffic and refuses to yield. He's in good shape and looks loaded for bear so most of us just move over. Some day he's going to catch me in one of my moods and we'll end up on the evening news!

[Ed W]

quote:Originally posted by waterboy

 Every once in awhile I come across a strange jogger on the path that decides to run against traffic and refuses to yield. He's in good shape and looks loaded for bear so most of us just move over. Some day he's going to catch me in one of my moods and we'll end up on the evening news!

My son was about 12 when he rode the trail for the first time.  He quickly discovered that the sight lines and bend radius made it difficult to determine which side of the trail a runner was on.  "You can't go FAST here, Dad!" he said.  This from a kid who had only two speeds: stopped and as fast as possible.

There are allegedly two speed limit signs posted somewhere along the trail.  It has a 10mph speed limit which is probably fine for someone out for their annual bike ride, but it's far too low for anyone reasonably fit.  Toss in a stiff tailwind, and a cyclist can cruise along at 25 mph.  Someone going that fast should be out on Riverside Drive, not the trail.

[AVERAGE JOE]

quote:Originally posted by patric

quote:Originally posted by AVERAGE JOE

First blush: looks a reasonable set of concepts, and I particularly appreciate the fact they acknowledge that a lot more work and study needs to be done. Also noted -- they plan on the public taking part in the process once the engineering studies of what's possible are done.

The Whirled reports make it sound like the miniature divided highway is a done-deal proclamation, or are you referring to the new plan to put water in the river?

Question to the daily trail users:
I see the logic in widening the trail from it's original 8' fire lane width, but would two such trails really be necessary?

"(The) First rule in government spending: Why build one when you can have two at twice the price?"
   -- Carl Sagan, "Contact"

Um, the big announcement on the front page of the paper -- the actual plan for two new pedestrian bridges, etc.

[TheArtist]

I would looooove to see 2 different trails. Would be nice to have trails of different speeds.  When bikeriding or rollerblading I am always afraid someone walking their dog that the dog may swerve in front of me and kids often dont pay the best attention to what is going on. Course when I am on my rollerblades I am in danger of falling on anyone, walking or biking, plus trees, benches,poles, rocks, statues, bridges,crow creek, etc. etc. lol.  I would assume that only one of the two will have the chat so likely that would help divide them between walkers/joggers and the other bikers and rollerbladers.  Unless the one is half paved and half chat then I guess rollerbladers could go on both.  One lane designated as a bike lane here and there with signs would be nice too. Hopefully people here would mostly abide by that. My assumption would be that the lane closest to the river would be for walking and running.

[carltonplace]

^ That's one thing that really annoys me when I'm on the trails.

People, please watch out for your children and animals; they are not able to look out for themselves. I've seen little children walk right in front of cyclists while their gaurdian was talking into their cell phone. I've never seen a child get hit, but I've seen a cyclist hit the deck to avoid a child. One crazy parent started berrating a cyclist because he yelled out in surpise when her child walked in front of him. She cursed him up and down, the whole time with her cell phone to her ear and oblivious to what nearly happened.

When I walk my dogs on the river, we stay off of the trail. If we have to use the trail, I keep my eyes peeled. When I'm running I stay far to the right, and remain cognizant of the people using the trail around me.

I think dual trails are going to be a benefit as long as people still pay attention where the trails merge at 21st and at 31st.

[SXSW]

An update on this project: the section from 58th to 71st should be done by March, weather permitting.  The trail from 11th to 48th was completed last spring and the final section from 48th to 58th, halted due to the I-44 construction, should be completed by early 2011.  That will be a great day when this entire new dual trail is finished between 11th and 71st.  Maybe Kaiser will announce another grant to extend the dual trail further south past the Creek Casino?



http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectid=11&articleid=20100203_11_A22_Cyclis925527&allcom=1#commentform

[sgrizzle]

An update on this project: the section from 58th to 71st should be done by March, weather permitting.  The trail from 11th to 48th was completed last spring and the final section from 48th to 58th, halted due to the I-44 construction, should be completed by early 2011.  That will be a great day when this entire new dual trail is finished between 11th and 71st.  Maybe Kaiser will announce another grant to extend the dual trail further south past the Creek Casino?

The Creeks are supposed to be revamping the area near the casino.

[charky]

Good news!

(saw our buddy sauerkraut pop up in comments section of this TW article.    Same old tired talking points.)

[rwarn17588]

Good news!

(saw our buddy sauerkraut pop up in comments section of this TW article.    Same old tired talking points.)

I guess he got tired of being deservedly mocked here. He'll fit right into the cretins in the TW comments section.

[Conan71]

Good news!

(saw our buddy sauerkraut pop up in comments section of this TW article.    Same old tired talking points.)

That's weird supposedly buys a house here then we never hear from him again.

Any bets on an over/under on his IQ?  I'm guessing 90.

[Townsend]

That's weird supposedly buys a house here then we never hear from him again.

Any bets on an over/under on his IQ?  I'm guessing 90.

I always assumed the medical trials went awry.