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His acceptance call to war on the federal government was a bucket of crazy.
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« Reply #16 on: November 07, 2012, 09:25:08 am » |
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His victory speach made me want to duck under the sofa. Well at least he'll be entertaining.
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« Reply #17 on: November 07, 2012, 09:27:55 am » |
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His victory speach made me want to duck under the sofa. Well at least he'll be entertaining.
He's going to spend his term ensuring that Obama will only be a 2 term president. |
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« Reply #18 on: November 07, 2012, 09:34:00 am » |
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His acceptance call to war on the federal government was a bucket of crazy.
He was interviewed on KRMG this morning and apparently was still drunk on the Tea Party passion punch: -Deficit -Debt -Obamacare -Socialist agenda -Attack on family values You get the rest. Four more years of gridlock. I'm hoping now that Obama doesn't have to worry about winning another term, he will be more open to compromise which does not have to include a tax increase at every turn as part of his compromise. He's going to spend his term ensuring that Obama will only be a 2 term president.
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« Reply #19 on: November 07, 2012, 09:35:06 am » |
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He was interviewed on KRMG this morning and apparently was still drunk on the Tea Party passion punch:
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You get the rest. Four more years of gridlock.
I'm hoping now that Obama doesn't have to worry about winning another term, he will be more open to compromise which does not have to include a tax increase at every turn as part of his compromise.
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« Reply #20 on: November 07, 2012, 12:59:53 pm » |
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I'm hoping now that Obama doesn't have to worry about winning another term, he will be more open to compromise which does not have to include a tax increase at every turn as part of his compromise.
It isn't compromise if only one side gets things that they want. It's OK. He's (hopefully) going to be schooled in what compromise actually means after the sequester bomb goes off. Obama and the Senate Dems will be negotiating from a position of strength since the Democrats basically get what they want, just sooner than they think is appropriate for the economy. Maybe the Tea Partiers who forced Boehner to scuttle the deal he and Obama had made will learn that it's best to accept it when you win instead of trying to get even more. |
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« Reply #21 on: November 07, 2012, 08:40:33 pm » |
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I'm hoping now that Obama doesn't have to worry about winning another term, he will be more open to compromise which does not have to include a tax increase at every turn as part of his compromise.
You can't possibly think that we can continue without a revenue component?? Which is MOST likely to be letting Bush tax cuts expire. And then massaging the system a little bit. |
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« Reply #22 on: November 07, 2012, 09:28:05 pm » |
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You can't possibly think that we can continue without a revenue component??
Which is MOST likely to be letting Bush tax cuts expire. And then massaging the system a little bit.
Any idea how much more revenue would be generated with 23 million unemployed and underemployed getting real employment? |
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« Reply #23 on: November 07, 2012, 10:10:25 pm » |
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Any idea how much more revenue would be generated with 23 million unemployed and underemployed getting real employment?
Not enough. I can say that with confidence because we were running deficits before the supplementary appropriations for Afghanistan and Iraq even during the peak years of the economy under Bush. |
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« Reply #24 on: November 07, 2012, 10:19:19 pm » |
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Not enough. I can say that with confidence because we were running deficits before the supplementary appropriations for Afghanistan and Iraq even during the peak years of the economy under Bush.
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« Reply #25 on: November 07, 2012, 10:23:28 pm » |
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I'm guessing not. But what is the harm in letting them expire? They'd just go back to the effective tax rate they had during the Clinton years. We all know how financially dire THOSE years were.  |
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« Reply #26 on: November 07, 2012, 10:31:24 pm » |
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I'm guessing not. But what is the harm in letting them expire? They'd just go back to the effective tax rate they had during the Clinton years. We all know how financially dire THOSE years were. Jimmy Carter could have ridden the financial bubble given to Clinton. Manufacturing in the US was already on the way down before Bush was elected in 2000. Harm? I expect they will be "allowed" to expire so we will find out. I wish us all good luck but hope I can keep working for a few more years so I can keep my toys when I retire. |
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« Reply #27 on: November 07, 2012, 10:34:28 pm » |
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He's going to spend his term ensuring that Obama will only be a 2 term president.
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« Reply #28 on: November 07, 2012, 11:32:08 pm » |
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« Reply #29 on: November 08, 2012, 12:18:12 am » |
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Jimmy Carter could have ridden the financial bubble given to Clinton.
The economy (and job growth) was strong long before the financial bubble. The point, of course, being that just about any tax rate won't stop the economy presuming it's not high enough to suck more money out of the economy than it can sustain. Think of it as a tool to help keep inflation under control if you like. |
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