Any new midtown/Cherry Street developments?

[LandArchPoke]

There's a great place for an office building on 15th right over at Utica. Already razed and everything.

Only problem is the guy that owns that property haha

Frankly, that site would be much better as a mixed use project. Retail, hotel, multifamily. A giant office building there isn't the best use of that corner. We don't need a repeat of the other three corners.

[patric]

I wonder if they'd be interested in opening a new site somewhere on 11th or in the Pearl where rents are a bit cheaper and would still give them a midtown/downtown location. I've never ate there but they seemed to have had a pretty solid following and I saw a lot of Midtown people complaining and saying they won't drive south to the other location.

The other location lacks the charm of the 15th street location, which carried over somewhat from when it was a neighborhood pub called K.L. Snoozers. Im not sure you could recapture that essence now, given the resident clientele of the QT that opened up a few doors down.

[Red Arrow]

The other location lacks the charm of the 15th street location, which carried over somewhat from when it was a neighborhood pub called K.L. Snoozers. Im not sure you could recapture that essence now, given the resident clientele of the QT that opened up a few doors down.

How much of the charm is the location, building or some combination.  I'm sure the appearance of an old building could be duplicated, building codes permitting, although it would probably be more expensive than a modern appearance.

[patric]

This quaint little structure is now rubble:  https://goo.gl/maps/oA4Nc9u2MZD2NLvBA

Kind of sad since it looked like something a creative individual could have had fun with.

[Urban Enthusiast]

This quaint little structure is now rubble:  https://goo.gl/maps/oA4Nc9u2MZD2NLvBA

Kind of sad since it looked like something a creative individual could have had fun with.

That is sad.  Too bad it couldn't be (or wasn't) relocated somewhere else.

[tulsabug]

This quaint little structure is now rubble:  https://goo.gl/maps/oA4Nc9u2MZD2NLvBA

Kind of sad since it looked like something a creative individual could have had fun with.

The building next to it has had all it's nice original brick painted over by probably the same idiots who tore the little building down. Painting brick doesn't fix issues with the bricks or mortar, it makes them worse and accelerates deterioration - plus it looks like $hit. The "developers" in this town are just the biggest morons.

[LandArchPoke]

The building next to it has had all it's nice original brick painted over by probably the same idiots who tore the little building down. Painting brick doesn't fix issues with the bricks or mortar, it makes them worse and accelerates deterioration - plus it looks like $hit. The "developers" in this town are just the biggest morons.

While many are... I do wonder if some of this boils down to things like parking minimums. If a developer wants to redevelop the other building it might have been necessary to demo the other for parking. I don't agree with it, but a lot of times you have to deal with what our terrible zoning code requires.

Some of it boils down to greed, other issues. Demoing buildings reduces your property taxes if you're just a speculator.

I do wish parking minimums, etc. would just go away. So many cities have done this and as much development that's happened downtown - not having parking minimums has been extremely beneficials. It makes buildings shared parking easier to do between developments/neighborhoods versus everyone having to try and do things on site.

15th Street is such a glaring bad example of trying to do urban corridors with "modern" zoning requirements.

[SXSW]

While many are... I do wonder if some of this boils down to things like parking minimums. If a developer wants to redevelop the other building it might have been necessary to demo the other for parking. I don't agree with it, but a lot of times you have to deal with what our terrible zoning code requires.

Some of it boils down to greed, other issues. Demoing buildings reduces your property taxes if you're just a speculator.

I do wish parking minimums, etc. would just go away. So many cities have done this and as much development that's happened downtown - not having parking minimums has been extremely beneficials. It makes buildings shared parking easier to do between developments/neighborhoods versus everyone having to try and do things on site.

15th Street is such a glaring bad example of trying to do urban corridors with "modern" zoning requirements.

Will the Planitulsa updates solve some of these issues for areas like Cherry Street and Brookside? 

[LandArchPoke]

Will the Planitulsa updates solve some of these issues for areas like Cherry Street and Brookside? 

I don't think it will - I am planning to push some of the councilors about parking issues this year.

I've been told the Planitulsa update will have some revisions to parking minimums but not much. Really on the main urban corridors (15th, 11th, 6th, 3rd, Utica, Peoria, etc.) there really should just be zero. Or at least say if you're building is under 10,000 sq. ft. you have no parking requirements. Something like that would help a lot for smaller infill projects.

Cherry Street's parking should never be replicated. We can't continue to have to tear down residential to facilitate commercial parking requirements. It would have been better for the city to come in an build a common parking structure somewhere that everyone could have shared instead of what has happened but requiring on site parking like they have will never allow for stuff like that to happen.

My fear is that 11th Street will end up just like Cherry Street where the more infill that happens the more and more it will eat into the residential on the north/south sides of the street to meet parking requirements. Cherry Street has probably lost at least 50 housing units over the years that have been replaced by surface parking.

[Tulsan]

Only problem is the guy that owns that property haha

Frankly, that site would be much better as a mixed use project. Retail, hotel, multifamily. A giant office building there isn't the best use of that corner. We don't need a repeat of the other three corners.

Well whatever he has planned (I have no inside info), it can now go forward. Chelsea Gallery is selling and being torn down this summer.

https://tulsaworld.com/business/local/framing-store-on-cherry-street-will-close-at-end-of-may/article_768d3c52-bea1-11ed-8f89-5f0c5a822e54.html

[Dspike]

Renderings of the new ice skating facility at the Promenade are up. And the website says opening in "Fall 2023." Looks pretty nice.

https://westreeticecenter.com/

[DowntownDan]

The old Border's on 21st and the BA has a sign out for redevelopment but I can't read it from the street. Anyone know what's going there?

[SXSW]

The old Border's on 21st and the BA has a sign out for redevelopment but I can't read it from the street. Anyone know what's going there?

Self-storage.  I heard Fresh Market was interested but it was too large of a space compared to the old Borders at 81st & Yale.

[DowntownDan]

Ugh, how much crap do people need? Every time I see yet another storage place open up it reminds me of George Carlin's bit about stuff.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLoge6QzcGY&t=1s

[SXSW]

Ugh, how much crap do people need? Every time I see yet another storage place open up it reminds me of George Carlin's bit about stuff.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLoge6QzcGY&t=1s

They stay full and it's a less-risky place for people to park their money, similar to car washes.