Is The Occupy Wall Street Movement an Answer to The Tea Party Movement?

[Conan71]

He's not lying.  It's called the human megaphone.  The Occupay groups literally hold whole debates by passing the salient points along person by person.  They've actually done a relatively effective jobs of self organizing using this method.

Then why do the 99.9% who are not protesting think these people are totally ridiculous?

[Conan71]

I don't know why you've taken it upon yourself to compare people who are working around the asinine and undemocratic restrictions imposed upon them by their government to kindergarteners. If you have a better idea, I'm sure they'd be happy to hear it.

Have you run out of original thoughts Nate, or does your existence on this board revolve around specifically mocking me by contradicting everything I say?

What are these asinine and undemocratic restrictions being imposed on this people?  Please regale us with your innate knowledge of all the unjust restrictions placed upon a small segment of our society.

If you are referring to the protestors being run off of public property for not obtaining proper permits or for outright vandalism, there's a good reason there are restrictions on the use of public property.  It has nothing to do with restricting free speech.  At some point it becomes about not disrupting the lives of the other 99.9% who are not protesting.  If you are referring to protestors being pissed off about having to repay student loans or contributing to productivity, then don't even bother.

[heironymouspasparagus]

Then why do the 99.9% who are not protesting think these people are totally ridiculous?

No where near 99%.  Maybe more like the tea bagger percentage.

Tom Coburn has released his report on the inequities and the unfairness of the system.  Promises to be very interesting.  So many things I have ranted about - even though he still misses the mark on the huge tax discrepancy between the richest and all the rest of us - the capital gains treatment.

I know the RWRE will find a way to spin this - but hey, reality is a bit&&, ain't it?  And everyone, whether they are an OWS or a tea bagger or just sitting here watching the show, understands by now the Bizarro World Robin Hood situation we have in this country - take from the poor and give to the richest.

The 1%ers will be turning on Coburn later today... just watch.

[Conan71]

No where near 99%.  Maybe more like the tea bagger percentage.

Tom Coburn has released his report on the inequities and the unfairness of the system.  Promises to be very interesting.  So many things I have ranted about - even though he still misses the mark on the huge tax discrepancy between the richest and all the rest of us - the capital gains treatment.

I know the RWRE will find a way to spin this - but hey, reality is a bit&&, ain't it?  And everyone, whether they are an OWS or a tea bagger or just sitting here watching the show, understands by now the Bizarro World Robin Hood situation we have in this country - take from the poor and give to the richest.

The 1%ers will be turning on Coburn later today... just watch.

There's already a thread going on the Coburn report.  No, it's not fashioned as the unfairness and inequities.  It's about the ridiculous tax breaks and credits millionaires are getting like unemployment benefits, housing assistance, and farm subsidies for the mega-wealthy farmers.

[heironymouspasparagus]

There's already a thread going on the Coburn report.  No, it's not fashioned as the unfairness and inequities.  It's about the ridiculous tax breaks and credits millionaires are getting like unemployment benefits, housing assistance, and farm subsidies for the mega-wealthy farmers.

Still...same net effect.

[Gaspar]

Occupier in DC making an "Occu-pie."
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[patric]

If you are referring to the protestors being run off of public property for not obtaining proper permits or for outright vandalism, there's a good reason there are restrictions on the use of public property.

When minor and essentially inconsequential offenses like trespassing in a public park suddenly become such a priority that you have to have every police unit in reach (SWAT, TCSO, patrolmen) present and in riot mode, than yes, claiming it's for the benefit of everyone else who needs to use the park at 4am is insincere.

If this was a test of how well our civil liberties hold up under stress in Tulsa, we failed.

[Conan71]

Still...same net effect.

Not at all.  You frame it in the language of class warfare.  Much like our president and his minions in Congress.

Coburn doesn't appear to be fanning the flames of class envy and warfare.  I've said repeatedly that I refuse to vote for anyone whose plan is simply to cut taxes without a massive overhaul of the IRS and the convoluted tax code.  Under the current system, there's no way to restore us to fiscal sanity with more tax cuts.

President Obama could have probably gotten more agreement from the Republican side on tax increases if he hadn't used it as an opportunity to frame it as the rich not paying their "fair share" or "they make enough already".  That's a volley of class warfare.  Framing it as: "We, as a country, are in deep financial trouble and everyone is going to have to give something to help turn this around" would have sounded a whole lot better instead of maintaining the deep partisan divide. 

I hope sooner, rather than later, that politicians will figure out there's around 60% who identify themselves as moderate from the Dem, Rep, and Ind camps who are sick and tired of bitter partisanship.

[we vs us]

Not at all.  You frame it in the language of class warfare.  Much like our president and his minions in Congress.

Coburn doesn't appear to be fanning the flames of class envy and warfare. I've said repeatedly that I refuse to vote for anyone whose plan is simply to cut taxes without a massive overhaul of the IRS and the convoluted tax code.  Under the current system, there's no way to restore us to fiscal sanity with more tax cuts.

President Obama could have probably gotten more agreement from the Republican side on tax increases if he hadn't used it as an opportunity to frame it as the rich not paying their "fair share" or "they make enough already".  That's a volley of class warfare.  Framing it as: "We, as a country, are in deep financial trouble and everyone is going to have to give something to help turn this around" would have sounded a whole lot better instead of maintaining the deep partisan divide.  

I hope sooner, rather than later, that politicians will figure out there's around 60% who identify themselves as moderate from the Dem, Rep, and Ind camps who are sick and tired of bitter partisanship.

Seriously?  How is targeting the tax breaks of 1500 millionaires NOT class warfare?  Especially in comparison with the deplorable stuff that Obama's come out with . . . like letting the Bush tax cuts expire on that same income group?  If Pelosi'd come out with that agenda, she'd be hung from the Heritage Foundation roof in effigy.  

[TulsaRufnex]

Then why do the 99.9% who are not protesting think these people are totally ridiculous?

That was a statement only a PARTISAN HACK would make    ... along with your arguments that virtually anyone who believes federal income taxes should be progressive and not flat, that those folks engage in class warfare, not to mention your utterly silly and wholly judgmental notion of "class envy"....

As a child, I was told by conservatives that every war protester was a Jane Fonda wannabe and that black people should be "shipped back to Africa."
As a teenager, I was told by conservatives that women shouldn't be paid equal wages compared to male "breadwinners" and that labor unions were no better than The Mafia...

As a full time college student, I was told that having my part time minimum wage frozen at $3.35 for the better part of a decade was because of "market principles".... while at the same time my pell grants were cut and my payroll taxes were raised significantly to shore up social security and medicare, which would raise a surplus that would cover the baby boomers... the young Republicans told me Reaganomics was a SUCCESS, that social security will never be there for my generation, and that AIDS was "god's gift" for those who choose a homosexual lifestyle and that there was no such thing as a "hate crime"....

While folks like you and Gweed and Gas have the gall to think you pay all the taxes in this country.... you are the 54%... well, so am I.  In addition to my federal taxes, I have payroll taxes... and student loans older than Mark Zuckerberg... and sales taxes on groceries... and the surplus I paid into for social security and medicare that should have been put in a "lockbox" instead was used first by Bill Clinton to offset budget deficits and then by George W Bush for ill-advised tax cuts without calling for any sacrifices by anyone (other than the military) to pay for two wars totally financed by deficit spending....

I was told back in the 90s that I should incorporate myself as an opera singer so I could get all the small business deductions (write off voice lessons, coachings, music and CD purchases, travel expenses, etc) which would not be available otherwise... I was told by a Clinton campaign worker that if elected, Bill Clinton would be the "best Republican president we've ever had."

I have never grown a ponytail, never pierced or tattoo-ed any part of my anatomy, never been on drugs, never taken a nickel of unemployment or foodstamps or welfare payments.....

I am the 99%.  

[heironymouspasparagus]

Not at all.  You frame it in the language of class warfare.  Much like our president and his minions in Congress.

It was the 1%ers that started with the phrase 'class warfare'...one of their many attempts at redefinition and doublespeak, ala "1984".  But people understood where the REAL class warfare is and how it has been waged on the 99% for decades.  Hopefully, their enlightenment will last.

[Gaspar]

As a child, I was told by conservatives that every war protester was a Jane Fonda wannabe and that black people should be "shipped back to Africa."
As a teenager, I was told by conservatives that women shouldn't be paid equal wages compared to male "breadwinners" and that labor unions were no better than The Mafia...

I am the 99%.  

You hung around some scary folks as a child.

[heironymouspasparagus]

You hung around some scary folks as a child.

Tea baggers.

Glad you recognize the scariness...

[TulsaRufnex]

Tea baggers.

Glad you recognize the scariness...

Dixiecrats for Tricky Dick.  
Sometimes I think it's only me and Pepperidge Farm who remember....  

[Red Arrow]

I have never grown a ponytail, never pierced or tattoo-ed any part of my anatomy, never been on drugs, never taken a nickel of unemployment or foodstamps or welfare payments.....

At least now we know what your problems are.