Is The Occupy Wall Street Movement an Answer to The Tea Party Movement?

[Conan71]

Conan, the blog has links to forensic experts data. Kent State was a government instigated mass murder. And it was the single moment in time that American's declared "out now" the catalyst to the end.

Calling Kent State government-instigated mass murder is an exaggeration.  A far better example would be the Iraq war.

[Red Arrow]

I remember when I was in debate 30 some years ago in high school, we had to actually thumb through volumes of nationally recognized magazines as well as peer reviewed research papers and books for our war chest of evidence to build our case. 

That was then and this is now.

My memory is that some of the Kent State protesters threw rocks before the Nat'l Guard fired.  Bad move.

[Teatownclown]

That was then and this is now.

My memory is that some of the Kent State protesters threw rocks before the Nat'l Guard fired.  Bad move.

No. And that's unjustifiable.

[Teatownclown]

You see, this %99 Movement is causing change!

Red, appreciate the fact that you are a forward thinker. http://www.truth-out.org/senators-introduce-constitutional-amendment-overturn-citizens-united/1320248000

Senators Introduce Constitutional Amendment to Overturn Citizens United
Wednesday 02 November 2011

One of the overarching themes of the 99 Percent Movement is that our democracy is too corrupted by corporate special interests. This corruption was worsened last year by the Supreme Court’s Citizens United decision, which allowed for huge new unregulated flows of corporate political spending.

Yesterday, six Democratic senators — Tom Udall (NM), Michael Bennett (CO), Tom Harkin (IA), Dick Durbin (IL), Chuck Schumer (NY), Sheldon Whitehouse (RI), and Jeff Merkeley (OR) — introduced a constitutional amendment that would effectively overturn the Citizens United case and restore the ability of Congress to properly regulate the campaign finance system.

The amendment as filed resolves that both Congress and individual states shall have the power to regulate both the amount of contributions made directly to candidates for elected office and “the amount of expenditures that may be made by, in support of, or in opposition to such candidates.”

“By limiting the influence of big money in politics, elections can be more about the voters and their voices, not big money donors and their deep pockets,” said Harkin of the amendment. “We need to have a campaign finance structure that limits the influence of the special interests and restores confidence in our democracy. This amendment goes to the heart of that effort.”

Passing this amendment or any other amendment to the Constitution is an arduous process. There are two ways to propose a constitutional amendment. Either two-thirds of Congress can agree to an amendment or there can be a constitutional amendment called by two-thirds of state legislatures (this path has never been taken). In order to ratify an amendment, three-quarters of state legislatures must agree or three-quarters of states must have individual constitutional conventions that agree.

and this! http://movetoamend.org/

[Red Arrow]

You see, this %99 Movement is causing change!

Red, appreciate the fact that you are a forward thinker.

I notice your links only single out corporations.  Not good enough, need to include the other big donors I listed.

[Red Arrow]

No. And that's unjustifiable.

That was then...   (sarcastic smart a$$ remark about the debating rules)

2nd part about the rocks.  Yes, unjustifiable to throw rocks at Nat'l Guard and NG over reacted.  Bad moves both sides.

[nathanm]

They do? I read 1 in 3 pays no taxes. And for this taxpayer, obey the law and get out.

Which protests are taking place at federally owned parks, again?

[Conan71]

No. And that's unjustifiable.

Most definitely The Guard over reacted, but it was nowhere close to government-sanctioned murder.  It was the reaction of either some terribly frightened or screwed up humans in National Guard uniforms, not a government conspiracy.

[Cats Cats Cats]

[heironymouspasparagus]

Most definitely The Guard over reacted, but it was nowhere close to government-sanctioned murder.  It was the reaction of either some terribly frightened or screwed up humans in National Guard uniforms, not a government conspiracy.

As Red said, bad move.  But NOT a capital crime!

And the Guard unit was not a bunch of "frightened people" - they were gung-ho, volunteer, trained warriors (albeit weekend...) - who managed to do the 'close order drill' thing, ON COMMAND (as the audio tape shows), then turn in formation, raise arms and fire.  Intentionally and under orders.  Now, the guy who gave the order was not working in isolation - he had some guidelines with the usual wide leeway to use his judgement.  The big failure was his bosses failure in judgement thinking this guy was ready for command of deadly force.

Unless, of course, you feel the Guard is just a bunch of screwed up humans....perhaps I could go with that.  If I didn't have so many of the family kids enlisted now and having met several of their buddies.  Well, maybe they are a little messed up, but only in the way that kids are always kind of goofy.

I guess it could have been worse...it could have been Chicago or Los Angeles Police Department officers, huh?

[heironymouspasparagus]

Brilliant!!

[patric]

As Red said, bad move.  But NOT a capital crime!

And the Guard unit was not a bunch of "frightened people" - they were gung-ho, volunteer, trained warriors (albeit weekend...) - who managed to do the 'close order drill' thing, ON COMMAND (as the audio tape shows), then turn in formation, raise arms and fire.  Intentionally and under orders.  Now, the guy who gave the order was not working in isolation - he had some guidelines with the usual wide leeway to use his judgement.  The big failure was his bosses failure in judgement thinking this guy was ready for command of deadly force.

Unless, of course, you feel the Guard is just a bunch of screwed up humans....perhaps I could go with that.  If I didn't have so many of the family kids enlisted now and having met several of their buddies.  Well, maybe they are a little messed up, but only in the way that kids are always kind of goofy.

I guess it could have been worse...it could have been Chicago or Los Angeles Police Department officers, huh?

Once the shooting started, it became indiscriminate.  Many of the victims were just walking to class.

They killed Jeffrey Miller, who had been throwing rocks and insults. They killed Allison Krause, who, a day earlier, slid a blossom into a guardsman's rifle barrel and told him, "flowers are better than bullets." They killed Sandra Lee Scheuer, a speech therapy student crossing campus after classes were canceled. They killed William Knox Schroeder, a former Eagle Scout and ROTC member.
In a sense, they killed William Perkins' youth, and he was among the guardsmen, holding a rifle on the hillside, his innocence lost in a crackle of gunfire and a haze of smoke.
"Those were just kids our age, and we were forced to be there," he said from his home near Akron.
The abrupt change came mid-morning May 4. Guardsmen made a long loop across a football practice field, pushing back students with tear gas. Mr. Canfora said the students had become enraged after several young people were cut with bayonets.

Read more: http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/10124/1055309-84.stm#ixzz1cen9UQtm

[Red Arrow]

When I was working on my bachelors degree in mechanical engineering, I actually wanted to pursue the aerospace option in mechanical engineering.  There was a slow down then in the aerospace industry and aerospace engineers were driving taxis all over the country.  I chose the general practitioner route of mechanical engineering. There were only a handful of elective courses within the engineering department involved in the difference.  Unfortunately, a lot of my generation has the entitlement genes and passed them along to their offspring.  Some of the current generation may need to drive a taxi or flip burgers until the economic climate turns around.

[Red Arrow]

Once the shooting started, it became indiscriminate.  Many of the victims were just walking to class.
They killed Jeffrey Miller, who had been throwing rocks and insults.

Unfortunately, it is usually only a few that really screw it up for everyone.  There are lessons that should have been learned on both sides of that mess.  I not so sure we did.

[Teatownclown]

When I was working on my bachelors degree in mechanical engineering, I actually wanted to pursue the aerospace option in mechanical engineering.  There was a slow down then in the aerospace industry and aerospace engineers were driving taxis all over the country.  I chose the general practitioner route of mechanical engineering. There were only a handful of elective courses within the engineering department involved in the difference.  Unfortunately, a lot of my generation has the entitlement genes and passed them along to their offspring.  Some of the current generation may need to drive a taxi or flip burgers until the economic climate turns around.

+1

here: Ineptocracy (in-ept-oc-ra-cy) System of government where the least capable to lead are elected by the least capable of producing, and where the members of society least likely to sustain themselves or succeed, are rewarded with goods and services paid for by the confiscated wealth of a diminishing number of producers. Ineptocracy: simply stated, "Entitlement Mentality" as in the mediocrity that is sinking Europe.