Is The Occupy Wall Street Movement an Answer to The Tea Party Movement?

[heironymouspasparagus]

Tulsa was some city west of the Mississippi and north of Texas.

Still is - and seems to be just as obscure as ever to the rest of the country.


Used to have some business dealings with people in New York city.  Had never been out of town, since New York is so obviously the entire world....
Told them they should come visit.  They were concerned about the Indians (Native Americans)...would it be safe?  And they were serious. 

I told them, yes, in the city it was ok.  On the turnpike, though, people would occasionally come out the other end with an arrow stuck in the car, though.  Yeah, you guessed it...hook, line, and sinker.  Fly over country is a mystery to the right coast.  Not quite as much to the left coast since so many Okies end up in California....

[dbacks fan]

  Not quite as much to the left coast since so many Okies end up in California....

Interesting how most of the people I graduated with from Hale in '81 are in OK, MO, TX, AZ, CA, and the rest of the west. Very few are east of the Mississippi River.

[Red Arrow]

Used to have some business dealings with people in New York city.  Had never been out of town, since New York is so obviously the entire world....
Told them they should come visit.  They were concerned about the Indians (Native Americans)...would it be safe?  And they were serious. 

We weren't that bad. Dad had been through Tulsa on a "road trip" with some ex-Navy buddies to CA through Tulsa on Route 66. He remembered 11th St as Rt 66.  Dad had also been here for a petroleum exhibition in, I think, 1959.  I vaguely remember him having to learn some French language for the trip.  He got some records (pre CD/DVD for the younger set here) with French language lessons.   I still have most of a fairly nice combination wrench set he got, perhaps as a door prize or something.  Was the IPE/ Quick Trip Center open then?  

[dbacks fan]

We weren't that bad. Dad had been through Tulsa on a "road trip" with some ex-Navy buddies to CA through Tulsa on Route 66. He remembered 11th St as Rt 66.  Dad had also been here for a petroleum exhibition in, I think, 1959.  I vaguely remember him having to learn some French language for the trip.  He got some records (pre CD/DVD for the younger set here) with French language lessons.   I still have most of a fairly nice combination wrench set he got, perhaps as a door prize or something.  Was the IPE/ Quick Trip Center open then?  

IPE was built in 1967 I think.

[heironymouspasparagus]

We weren't that bad. Dad had been through Tulsa on a "road trip" with some ex-Navy buddies to CA through Tulsa on Route 66. He remembered 11th St as Rt 66.  Dad had also been here for a petroleum exhibition in, I think, 1959.  I vaguely remember him having to learn some French language for the trip.  He got some records (pre CD/DVD for the younger set here) with French language lessons.   I still have most of a fairly nice combination wrench set he got, perhaps as a door prize or something.  Was the IPE/ Quick Trip Center open then?  

There's that Oklahoma/California connection again....

IPE building wasn't there in 58/59.  I went to that IPE - I think it was 58 - and it was on the fairgrounds where the IPE building is, plus some of the other buildings that were around.  The show happened every 4 years.  The IPE building was done in 1966, just about in time for the IPE to move to Houston.  The last one here was in '72 or '74, I think.  Still have a couple little souvenirs from the earlier shows around the house somewhere.  How's that for 'hoarding'??

Ok, found more info - every 5 years, sort of.  1959.  1966 was first in new building.  '79 was last - I didn't remember that one.

http://digital.library.okstate.edu/encyclopedia/entries/I/IN030.html

[Red Arrow]

Interesting how most of the people I graduated with from Hale in '81 are in OK, MO, TX, AZ, CA, and the rest of the west. Very few are east of the Mississippi River.

Must be a prejudice against everything east of the Mississippi.  

Although I have no interest in moving "back" since friends and family have either passed on or scattered depending on the generation, there are some very pretty places and interesting things to see and do. I believe many of our Urbanistas would be happy in many of the large urban areas there.  Theater, museums, effective public transit, cramped substandard living conditions, high cost of living, social programs.....  oops, got a bit carried away.

[patric]

Just because there is a lawsuit claiming that doesn't make it true. The police claim it didn't happen that way.

Apparently they now admit they did, and are trying to justify it:


(CBS News) The NYPD is using a controversial technique and CBS News correspondent Jim Axelrod reports on how that works.

Last Saturday afternoon, Occupy Wall Street protesters gathered at the foot of the Brooklyn Bridge where police warned them not to go any further.
"If you refuse to leave, you'll be placed under arrest, and charged with disorderly conduct," a police official told the crowd through a bullhorn.
Protesters continued to march with officers in front--in what looked like a police escort. CBS News producer Paula Reid was covering the story.

"And then there was a barricade about a third of the way across -- police vehicles," she said. "And then at the back of the protest, they unraveled an orange gate, and put that across the back of the protest."
Seven hundred protesters were penned in and then arrested.

"Did you feel in any way that the police department acted in a way that was dishonest?" asked Axelrod.
"No, I wouldn't call it dishonest," said Reid. "But I would say it's contradictory. You say, 'Don't walk on this bridge because it's illegal, you'll be arrested.' But then you walk with them, you lead them."

The technique is called corralling. Protesters are isolated by police and left to either stand for hours or be arrested. It's not new -- Washington, D.C. police used it in the spring of 2000 when protests got out of hand.
Former New York City Police chief William Bratton of Kroll and Associates said the idea is to diffuse tension.

"As far as the idea of corralling and arresting that group," he said, "after a notification was made and after they remained on the roadway, I see nothing wrong with it.
"We have come a long way from the days when hoses and dogs were routinely used to control crowds, and the use of batons was routine."

The courts will sort out whether what happened last Saturday on the Brooklyn Bridge violated constitutional protection to assemble. One lawsuit has already been filed.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/10/05/eveningnews/main20116273.shtml
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/financialcrisis/8802085/NYPD-arrest-hundreds-of-Occupy-Wall-Street-protesters-on-Brooklyn-Bridge.html

[Gaspar]

Currently to have a rave, you need a permit in most jurisdictions, or you do it at night at a warehouse and scatter if the police arrive.  Looks like there is an alternative.  Just call it a protest.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Tp2iTs52oOo[/youtube]

[Gaspar]

You gotta hand it to these cops.  OWS is blowing police budgets across the country, and these guys keep their cool. 
It would be like holding your ground as a thousand Bo-Bo the clowns hurled insults at you without the ability to knocking the fools in the dunk tank.

I doubt I'd last a minute.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8JdtmHFMMg&feature=player_embedded#![/youtube]

[dbacks fan]

So how much are taxpayers spending for the OWS protests? So far in an uneventful Occupy Phoenix the taxpayers have spent $200k.

http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2011/10/30/20111030occupy-phoenix-protest-costing-city-200-thousand.html#comments

[guido911]

You gotta hand it to these cops.  OWS is blowing police budgets across the country, and these guys keep their cool. 
It would be like holding your ground as a thousand Bo-Bo the clowns hurled insults at you without the ability to knocking the fools in the dunk tank.

I doubt I'd last a minute.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8JdtmHFMMg&feature=player_embedded#![/youtube]

What a bunch of freakin morons.

[guido911]

So how much are taxpayers spending for the OWS protests? So far in an uneventful Occupy Phoenix the taxpayers have spent $200k.

http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2011/10/30/20111030occupy-phoenix-protest-costing-city-200-thousand.html#comments

Money well spent in Nate's world. I wonder how many teachers that money could have been used to hire. Oh wait, that's the OWS meme.

[Gaspar]

So how much are taxpayers spending for the OWS protests? So far in an uneventful Occupy Phoenix the taxpayers have spent $200k.

http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2011/10/30/20111030occupy-phoenix-protest-costing-city-200-thousand.html#comments

I think they should be getting some additional donations to pay for the protests and damage to property. The Ayatollah Khamenei has recently pledged support, along with Hugo Chavez and China's Communist Party.  They seem to be developing a good network of financial backers.

[Conan71]

I think they should be getting some additional donations to pay for the protests and damage to property. The Ayatollah Khamenei has recently pledged support, along with Hugo Chavez and China's Communist Party.  They seem to be developing a good network of financial backers.

Sean Penn will be next if Uncle Hugo is in.

[Gaspar]

Sean Penn will be next if Uncle Hugo is in.

If he makes it back from the Gaddafi funeral in time.