city limits and Tulsa Gov't vehicles

[inteller]

quote:Originally posted by shadows

quote:Originally posted by Townsend

quote:Originally posted by shadows

This could be a new way to commit armed robberies.  

It may come to where the citizen when he does his yard work should take a gun with him.

Not wanting to bring up a past discussion but if a police car had been parked on the street in the area of the recent  murder, instead of one of the suburb cities, would there have been a chance these yard robberies and murder would not have accrued?  

objection...speculation

Exception-assumption it would happen under written testimony herein as a deterrent in burbs.

i spotted one today headed west out past Westport Rd past Keystone Lake.  25 miles or not, that is too far!

[shadows]

Naw! This could have been his fishing day off and he needed to take the car so he could listen to the radio just in case?.

When Homeland Security and the Defense Department can't keep track of their money why should we worry about a local half billion dollar expense account?.    

[MH2010]

Maybe the officer was on offical business.  We do drive the vehicles out of the city alot for offical business.

[Townsend]

This is frustrating.  If I said I was "cut off" I'd be ticketed.

http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?articleID=070916_1_A23_spanc00052

An off-duty Tulsa police officer was involved in a traffic accident Saturday night after losing control of his police vehicle and crashing into a concrete barrier.

Police officials said Cpl. Phil Snow had just left a second job and was driving westbound on Interstate 44 when another driver cut him off.

"Someone entered his lane and almost hit him," said Sgt. Mark Watson.

Snow performed evasive action in an attempt to avoid an automobile accident but lost control of the police car and collided with a truck on the highway, officials said.

At 8:45 p.m. Snow called police asking for assistance.

Snow and the driver of the truck were taken to St. John Medical Center with non-lifethreatening injuries, police said.

"Both were banged up," Watson said of the two drivers.

The accident caused short traffic delays on Interstate 44.

[MH2010]

quote:Originally posted by Townsend

This is frustrating.  If I said I was "cut off" I'd be ticketed.

http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?articleID=070916_1_A23_spanc00052

An off-duty Tulsa police officer was involved in a traffic accident Saturday night after losing control of his police vehicle and crashing into a concrete barrier.

Police officials said Cpl. Phil Snow had just left a second job and was driving westbound on Interstate 44 when another driver cut him off.

"Someone entered his lane and almost hit him," said Sgt. Mark Watson.

Snow performed evasive action in an attempt to avoid an automobile accident but lost control of the police car and collided with a truck on the highway, officials said.

At 8:45 p.m. Snow called police asking for assistance.

Snow and the driver of the truck were taken to St. John Medical Center with non-lifethreatening injuries, police said.

"Both were banged up," Watson said of the two drivers.

The accident caused short traffic delays on Interstate 44.

Not if you had witnesses.

[Copperhead]

In the comments regarding the TW story posted above, Jay's comment raises some interesting questions:

14. 9/16/2007 7:04:57 PM, Jay, Tulsa

"OK now City of Tulsa legal department . . that's you City Attorney; do your job and protect the taxpayers on this!

I heard the officer suffered a broken leg, so Cpl. Snow will likely be off for quite sometime, which begs the question of who's workers compensation will support him during his convalescents? Surely not the City's since he was off-duty. Don't suppose his 2nd employer at his extra job will step-up and assume liability do you? The bottom line is the citizens will be on the hook for replacing the vehicle and paying him while he recuperates! I found "the accident caused short traffic delays on Interstate 44" laughable as well, in that my wife was caught in the traffic back-up for for well over an hour. Just can't believe what the cops say or the Whirl reports."


Unfortunate but often true.

[Wilbur]

quote:Originally posted by Townsend

This is frustrating.  If I said I was "cut off" I'd be ticketed.

http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?articleID=070916_1_A23_spanc00052

An off-duty Tulsa police officer was involved in a traffic accident Saturday night after losing control of his police vehicle and crashing into a concrete barrier.

Police officials said Cpl. Phil Snow had just left a second job and was driving westbound on Interstate 44 when another driver cut him off.

"Someone entered his lane and almost hit him," said Sgt. Mark Watson.

Snow performed evasive action in an attempt to avoid an automobile accident but lost control of the police car and collided with a truck on the highway, officials said.

At 8:45 p.m. Snow called police asking for assistance.

Snow and the driver of the truck were taken to St. John Medical Center with non-lifethreatening injuries, police said.

"Both were banged up," Watson said of the two drivers.

The accident caused short traffic delays on Interstate 44.

Wrong!  The burden is upon the police/city to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that you committed a traffic violation.  Short of the officer having independent witnesses, the officer would not be able to cite you for losing control of your car.  Or, if the officer does cite you, you would have an easy win in court.

[Wilbur]

quote:Originally posted by Copperhead

In the comments regarding the TW story posted above, Jay's comment raises some interesting questions:

14. 9/16/2007 7:04:57 PM, Jay, Tulsa

"OK now City of Tulsa legal department . . that's you City Attorney; do your job and protect the taxpayers on this!

I heard the officer suffered a broken leg, so Cpl. Snow will likely be off for quite sometime, which begs the question of who's workers compensation will support him during his convalescents? Surely not the City's since he was off-duty. Don't suppose his 2nd employer at his extra job will step-up and assume liability do you? The bottom line is the citizens will be on the hook for replacing the vehicle and paying him while he recuperates! I found "the accident caused short traffic delays on Interstate 44" laughable as well, in that my wife was caught in the traffic back-up for for well over an hour. Just can't believe what the cops say or the Whirl reports."


Unfortunate but often true.

Short of the officer getting workers' comp from his other employer, he would be required to burn  his own sick time.  Just the same as if he'd had a heart attack while mowing the lawn.

[TeeDub]

Did the FOP end up winning this argument?

Police officers are allowed to take their vehicles home up to 25 miles from 41st and Yale.

[Wilbur]

Nothing has changed, although, I'm confident police will have to negotiate to continue this practice in the upcoming contract negotiations.

[Townsend]

It's back in the news again.  What will this mean for the TPD?  

http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectID=11&articleID=20080311_1_A7_hRonJ58072


Officer involved in crash quits


By CLIFTON ADCOCK World Staff Writer
3/11/2008


Ron Jordan was off duty when he wrecked his police car in September.


A Tulsa police officer who was involved in an off-duty traffic accident in a police cruiser in September resigned Monday.

Officer Ron Jordan, a veteran of the department for more than 10 years, submitted his resignation to Chief Ron Palmer just before a pretermination hearing was set to begin, police said.

Jordan, who lives in Glenpool, was driving his patrol car in the 19300 block of South U.S. 75 in Glenpool when the crash occurred on the night of Sept. 3, police said.

Witnesses told investigating officers that the car was speeding, and Jordan, who was not in uniform, had his 15-year-old son and a Glenpool woman with him in the 2003 Ford Crown Victoria, investigators said.

Other motorists told police that the police car was traveling at a high speed and trying to change lanes in an unsuc cessful attempt to avoid hitting a Honda Civic, police said.

The impact knocked the Honda across the median and into the northbound lanes of traffic. The police car left the road, crossed a grassy embankment, hit a fence and came to rest in a pasture, investigators said.

Jordan was taken to St. Francis Hospital in Tulsa with a sore neck and headache, and the driver of the Honda was taken to St. John Medical Center in Tulsa with a concussion, police said.

Jordan's two passengers were not injured.

The day after the crash, the Tulsa Police Department's Office of Integrity and Compliance initiated an investigation into Jordan's actions and determined that he had violated four department rules and regulations.

The violations relate to officers' duty to know and obey department rules, regulations, policies and procedures; duty to know, enforce and obey laws and ordinances; conduct unbecoming of an officer; and use of department vehicles, a news release from the Tulsa Police Department states.


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Clifton Adcock 581-8367
clifton.adcock@tulsaworld.com

[TUalum0982]

quote:Originally posted by YoungTulsan

Limit the vehicles to the City of Tulsa.  When it comes to critical assets of the community such as the Police, they should be encouraged to live in the City.  In addition to having the vehicle benefit, they should also make it more financially viable to hold a residence in the City of Tulsa.  Pay a bonus to cops who reside in the City to make it worth their while.  Good for the economy to keep 800 good-paying jobs in Tulsa.  Good for Tulsa to have police ready to mobilize when urgent attention is needed to a situation.  Whether you take your car home or not, you are much less able to spring to action if you live in the sticks as a cop.  If you live in Beggs or Oolagah you are straight up less valuable due to your hugely increased mobilization time.  Sure, police are free to live where they please, but when you are counted on for public safety, your proximity to urgent matters should be a directly tied in to your VALUE to the city.  You could be the most skilled and experienced cop in all the land, but you aren't catching a North Tulsa shooter on the run when you are in Leonard.

wow you have this all wrong.  So just because a person is a cop, he shouldn't have the choice of where to reside? you think he is on duty and on call 24/7 365?  He isn't on duty taking calls from leonard and driving to 81st and memorial.

[South County]

quote:Originally posted by Wrinkle

quote: Since Glenpool Police only had two police officers on duty at the time of the accident, Tulsa Police are investigating the accident.

Seems odd. Backup for a State/Federal Highway accident (if Glenpool can't handle it) would be the Oklahoma Highway Patrol. Actually, wouldn't they be first jurisdiction?

I smell a rat.
Besides, Glenpool never has more than two officers on duty.

Beg to differ. I've seen more than two on duty many times!!