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PlaniTulsa & Urban Planning / Re: High Speed Rail In Texas a...

Last post by Red Arrow - August 15, 2025, 11:14:06 PM

Quote from: patric on August 15, 2025, 10:13:10 AMTulsa has been promised passenger rail... if we spend money on OKC first.
...but a passenger route between OKC and Tulsa is long overdue.
Of course, there was a planned Amtrak expansion to Tulsa-STL and Chicago but that probably died with DoGE.

I think a passenger route (not even high speed) between OKC and Tulsa died long before DoGE. Just another way to suck $$$ out of the Tulsa area to benefit OKC.

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PlaniTulsa & Urban Planning / Re: High Speed Rail In Texas a...

Last post by dbacksfan 2.0 - August 15, 2025, 03:30:52 PM

Just some observations. Where they are building the California High Speed Rail that will open first is between Bakersfield and Merced is 171 miles with the longest stretch between Bakersfield and Tulare at 60 miles, then Tulare to Fresno at 45 miles, Fresno to Madera at 25 miles, and Madera to Merced at 35 miles. The initial segment will basically parallel an Amtrack line along the same route.

The segment between Bakersfield and Fresno currently takes about 1.75 hours to drive by car, and 2.50 hours by Amtrak and if IIRC with a stop in Tulare the HSR is supposed to be around 1.50 hours. It takes the HSR 5 to 8 miles to accelerate once it gets out of a city area and about the same distance to decelerate and slow down through an urban area. The stretch between Fresno and Merced it's doubtful that the train would achieve 90 miles an hour because of the short distances.

There will be at least nine or ten stops if it ever gets built from LA to San Francisco and there is so much urban area going to SF it will never reach top speed.

HSR along Dallas/OKC/Tulsa and KC or STL would be nice, but you know that several towns along the route are going to want stations. I can already see Denton/Ardmore/Purcell/Norman/Chandler/Stroud/Bristow/Sapulpa/Claremore/Vinitia/Miami/Joplin/Springfield/Lebanon/Rolla all wanting stops along that route.

Brightline from Rancho Cucamonga to Las Vegas will actually achieve high speed since there are only two stops, Hespiria and Victor Valley. You will have to drive or take the Metroliner that runs from downtown to Cucamonga.

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PlaniTulsa & Urban Planning / Re: High Speed Rail In Texas a...

Last post by swake - August 15, 2025, 12:23:48 PM

Quote from: patric on August 15, 2025, 10:13:10 AMTulsa has been promised passenger rail... if we spend money on OKC first.
...but a passenger route between OKC and Tulsa is long overdue.
Of course, there was a planned Amtrak expansion to Tulsa-STL and Chicago but that probably died with DoGE.

Amtrak is a lot closer to being shut down than to adding routes under Trump.

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PlaniTulsa & Urban Planning / Re: High Speed Rail In Texas a...

Last post by patric - August 15, 2025, 10:13:10 AM

Quote from: Red Arrow on August 08, 2025, 09:44:29 PMInteresting.
What about Tulsa-Kansas City, Tulsa - St Louis,

Tulsa has been promised passenger rail... if we spend money on OKC first.
...but a passenger route between OKC and Tulsa is long overdue.
Of course, there was a planned Amtrak expansion to Tulsa-STL and Chicago but that probably died with DoGE.

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