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Title: Kathy's New Office
Post by: Hometown on May 01, 2008, 12:58:27 PM
If you lived in the largest mansion in Tulsa (like Kathy Taylor), wouldn't you want your office at work to reflect your status in life?  Last Saturday the TulsaWorld ran a story about criticism of Taylor's fat and fancy new office.

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for big offices, in fact most Tulsans could use larger offices, better equipment and adequate staffing.

I'm just amused by this outcome after our self-appointed CEO left the impression she was so humble she'd be working out of a broom closet when she went after Jack Henderson for questioning the then proposed office layout.  She had probably seen plans that week and thought she would head her critics off at the pass.

He looks better in retrospect, she is predictable.

Here's a link to the TulsaWorld story if you missed it.

http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?articleID=20080426_1_A1_hCoun65578

Title: Kathy's New Office
Post by: TulsaSooner on May 01, 2008, 01:03:21 PM
Oh, geez.

For the record, I think it's quite likely she has the nicest office in the current City Hall as well as have all the Mayors before her.
Title: Kathy's New Office
Post by: sgrizzle on May 01, 2008, 01:04:28 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Hometown

If you lived in the largest mansion in Tulsa (like Kathy Taylor), wouldn't you want your office at work to reflect your status in life?  Last Saturday the TulsaWorld ran a story about criticism of Taylor's fat and fancy new office.

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for big offices, in fact most Tulsans could use larger offices, better equipment and adequate staffing.

I'm just amused by this outcome after our self-appointed CEO left the impression she was so humble she'd be working out of a broom closet when she went after Jack Henderson for questioning the then proposed office layout.  She had probably seen plans that week and thought she would head her critics off at the pass.

He looks better in retrospect, she is predictable.

Here's a link to the TulsaWorld story if you missed it.

http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?articleID=20080426_1_A1_hCoun65578





This is in another thread already. She is staying in space that is listed as available for lease, not considered part of the city footprint, and is using it because it is vacant and they don't have to build out new offices. Ya know, because Jack Henderson got mad at her for building out new offices. Plus, not having to build new offices means saving money.

So yes Kathy Taylor, don't cut corners, hometown wants you to SPEND!
Title: Kathy's New Office
Post by: Wrinkle on May 01, 2008, 01:08:18 PM
Say, anyone notice Wiliams Co leased 4 floors of the BOK building to an outside tenant this week?

Tulsa World Story (//%22http://www.tulsaworld.com/business/article.aspx?subjectID=32&articleID=20080430_32_E1_pncase633736%22)


Title: Kathy's New Office
Post by: citizen72 on May 01, 2008, 01:14:48 PM
Well here's to our opulent major. She is not what she advertised to be and just loves those "Special projects." She never seems to really address the baser needs of this great city.
Title: Kathy's New Office
Post by: AVERAGE JOE on May 01, 2008, 01:45:34 PM
If the mayor wasn't wealthy, but instead was a bootstrap candidate, you guys would be applauding her for saving money by occupying already-constructed offices instead of building new ones. That is, those of you who can get past the word "her" in that statement.

At least you haters are good for a laugh. [}:)]
Title: Kathy's New Office
Post by: citizen72 on May 01, 2008, 02:12:45 PM
quote:
Originally posted by AVERAGE JOE

If the mayor wasn't wealthy, but instead was a bootstrap candidate, you guys would be applauding her for saving money by occupying already-constructed offices instead of building new ones. That is, those of you who can get past the word "her" in that statement.

At least you haters are good for a laugh. [}:)]



But Joe you will accept we do have the right and entitlement to express our opinions?  Sure you do.[8D]
Title: Kathy's New Office
Post by: Hometown on May 01, 2008, 02:24:21 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Wrinkle

Say, anyone notice Wiliams Co leased 4 floors of the BOK building to an outside tenant this week?

Tulsa World Story (//%22http://www.tulsaworld.com/business/article.aspx?subjectID=32&articleID=20080430_32_E1_pncase633736%22)






To Newfield Oil Company for their expansion in Tulsa.  This is one of the most encouraging stories for Tulsa's economic future that I have read since returning to Tulsa three years ago.

This the kind of meat and potatoes growth that might actually mean Tulsa won't become just another no count town.

Go Newfield.  Go Oil Industry.  Save our sorry b****.



Title: Kathy's New Office
Post by: Hometown on May 01, 2008, 02:33:37 PM
Like I say I love big offices.

I'm just amused by this outcome because Taylor left the impression she was so humble she'd be working out of a broom closet.

And what was it she said to Henderson about wanting a gold plate on the door?

Looks like she made sure she got one.

Title: Kathy's New Office
Post by: cannon_fodder on May 01, 2008, 03:27:51 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Wrinkle

Say, anyone notice Wiliams Co leased 4 floors of the BOK building to an outside tenant this week?

Tulsa World Story (//%22http://www.tulsaworld.com/business/article.aspx?subjectID=32&articleID=20080430_32_E1_pncase633736%22)



I noticed that Wrinkle.  How to make money from selling a building to the city.

Step 1) Guarantee lease to the city on sale of your building

Step 2) Occupy space in said building to meet terms at below market rate

Step 3) Lease space in your own building at market rate.  = profit.

Glad we can subsidize some real estate for them as well as taking the building off of their hands.  Those oil and gas firms have been having a hard time of it lately.  In all honesty, the way the deal was set up they played it and essentially we are providing cheap space for Williams as they lease out the building they own.  

The entire deal [still] stinks.
- - -

I could care less about the Mayors office.  The entire deal is costing the city millions, who cares what square footage she occupies in the glass goose.
Title: Kathy's New Office
Post by: Hometown on May 01, 2008, 04:46:26 PM
What about

--the double standard
--the hypocrisy
--the attempt to destroy Henderson for questioning the office arrangement
--The World's patronizing editorial calling the council "kids"

People are consistent and we'll see all of this again from our leadership.  Probably happening right now.

Title: Kathy's New Office
Post by: breitee on May 01, 2008, 04:50:23 PM
Just remember, she won't have that grand office for very long. Next election she is out of there!
Title: Kathy's New Office
Post by: hoodlum on May 01, 2008, 04:58:04 PM
i hope she sticks around next election, she is the first mayor to show some passion and leadership since i moved here 5 years ago. With all this talk about offices, i have yet to see a layout of the office in question. If the office is a normal size mayors office with room for a conference table, bathroom etc. i don't see what the problem is?
Title: Kathy's New Office
Post by: TURobY on May 01, 2008, 05:03:23 PM
quote:
Originally posted by hoodlum

i hope she sticks around next election, she is the first mayor to show some passion and leadership since i moved here 5 years ago. With all this talk about offices, i have yet to see a layout of the office in question. If the office is a normal size mayors office with room for a conference table, bathroom etc. i don't see what the problem is?



I'm in agreement. I guess I don't understand the complete fuss everyone makes about our mayor for everything she does or doesn't do. Maybe because I'm a member of the "midtown elite"? [:P]
Title: Kathy's New Office
Post by: Hometown on May 01, 2008, 05:04:09 PM
The problem is she went after Henderson when he questioned the office arrangement and mocked him by saying he wanted a gold plate on his office door.

Then she turned around and made sure she had a gold plate on her office door.

It's the hypocrisy, not the office.

I believe in Tulsa more than Tulsa does.  And I believe Tulsa's mayor should have a very grand office.  But our mayor shouldn't attempt to destroy a councilor when he questioned the office arrangement and made the point that the councilors' offices should reflect their importance as well.

Tulsa World has played a big role in this ugly picture.

Title: Kathy's New Office
Post by: TUalum0982 on May 01, 2008, 05:44:03 PM
so we should be thankful that they didn't spend money on new buildings, yet they say they need 15 million dollars to move to the new building? I wonder if this includes moving the mayors office twice? I doubt it.  Anyways, It makes absolutely no sense for her to occupy that space when other space is adequate for her.  Personally, I voted against her, and wish she would have never been elected.  

Now how do I throw my name in the hat for mayor? I am 25 yrs old, have a college degree, grew up in a working family.  I will work to fix the streets, fix our crime problem (for which I have some background in) and finally help inteller fight those bastards who want to build a target in his neighborhood! I will also work in any space that is deemed adequate.  I will do my best to see that Randi Miller isn't re elected and that Bells is brought back somewhere locally.  Finally, I will make sure the Driller's stay in Tulsa as well as improve our city's economic future by building great relationships with companies and encouraging them to bring jobs to the Tulsa economy, as well as ensuring the jobs we currently have stay here.  I will work with the commissioners to set a budget that is definitely better then the current one.  Please let me know if I can count on your vote.
Title: Kathy's New Office
Post by: cannon_fodder on May 01, 2008, 06:04:17 PM
I'd vote for you, just because you aren't them.  Them being anyone who actually gets their name on the ballot.  Well, in general.

Paul Tay for District 9!  

If you really want to throw your hat in the ring start getting signatures now.  Unless you are running on behalf of one of the two blessed parties in Oklahoma you need something like 5,000 signatures.  SignNazi/aka Paul Tay would know for sure - he usually gets on the ballot.
Title: Kathy's New Office
Post by: TUalum0982 on May 01, 2008, 06:47:17 PM
quote:
Originally posted by cannon_fodder

I'd vote for you, just because you aren't them.  Them being anyone who actually gets their name on the ballot.  Well, in general.

Paul Tay for District 9!  

If you really want to throw your hat in the ring start getting signatures now.  Unless you are running on behalf of one of the two blessed parties in Oklahoma you need something like 5,000 signatures.  SignNazi/aka Paul Tay would know for sure - he usually gets on the ballot.



when is the mayors term actually up? I would definitely consider it, I would change many things in this city.
Title: Kathy's New Office
Post by: hoodlum on May 02, 2008, 10:25:09 AM
i feel like things  are going in the right direction with Mayor Taylor.
Title: Kathy's New Office
Post by: TulsaSooner on May 02, 2008, 10:54:14 AM
quote:
Originally posted by hoodlum

i feel like things  are going in the right direction with Mayor Taylor.



Me too, I don't get the hate.
Title: Kathy's New Office
Post by: JoeMommaBlake on May 02, 2008, 11:25:14 AM
I'm happy with her. I think she's done a good job of working with what she has.
Title: Kathy's New Office
Post by: RecycleMichael on May 02, 2008, 12:18:40 PM
I am kind of amazed that an announcement that a company was doing some hiring and housing two hundred new jobs in downtown Tulsa was a positive thing.

Others always look for some conspiracy.

Title: Kathy's New Office
Post by: cannon_fodder on May 02, 2008, 03:18:03 PM
It is a good thing.  They could easily have moved somewhere NOT downtown.  I'm glad they employee people in Tulsa, downtown specifically, and that they are hiring.  I am glad they decided to stay downtown (they are currently in the ~ 4 story building near the courthouse on 4th, I think that's the building).

My issue is not with the that company, it is with the lease agreement between the City and Williams Properties/Bok.  Nothing against the companies, it is their job to get a good deal...  but I do not believe the city has acted within their fiscal responsibility with tax payer money and left a loophole in the lease for them to profit.

So kudos to the companies, but I hope the city contracting is not as bad as it seems on the surface.