Title: 31st & Peoria Meshri Park
Post by: Gaspar on April 28, 2008, 01:50:13 PM
Post by: Gaspar on April 28, 2008, 01:50:13 PM
They have started construction on the new Meshri park at 31st and Peoria. It's going to be a very elegant addition to the neighborhood and a beautiful addition to the entrance of Brookside. It will feature a sculpture and water feature.
(http://www.tannerconsulting-llc.com/meshripark.jpg)
I'll post more images as the construction continues.
(http://www.tannerconsulting-llc.com/meshripark.jpg)
I'll post more images as the construction continues.
Title: 31st & Peoria Meshri Park
Post by: sgrizzle on April 28, 2008, 01:57:37 PM
Post by: sgrizzle on April 28, 2008, 01:57:37 PM
That's cool. It will also help to soften brookside's sudden start/stop at crow creek.
Title: 31st & Peoria Meshri Park
Post by: Gaspar on April 28, 2008, 02:01:11 PM
Post by: Gaspar on April 28, 2008, 02:01:11 PM
quote:
Originally posted by sgrizzle
That's cool. It will also help to soften brookside's sudden start/stop at crow creek.
Exactly! . . . and it's planned to push a more pedestrian friendly transition. Now we need to work on the South side of Brookside.
Title: 31st & Peoria Meshri Park
Post by: Renaissance on April 28, 2008, 02:03:30 PM
Post by: Renaissance on April 28, 2008, 02:03:30 PM
That is beautiful! It would be cool if the Brookside area had prominent signage demarcating the borders of the neighborhood.
Title: 31st & Peoria Meshri Park
Post by: midtownnewbie on April 28, 2008, 02:04:04 PM
Post by: midtownnewbie on April 28, 2008, 02:04:04 PM
I'm glad there is going to be a sidewalk. We've been watching that lot and joking about how anyone going to the park will have to risk their life on either Peoria or 31st to get to it!
Title: 31st & Peoria Meshri Park
Post by: RecycleMichael on April 28, 2008, 02:04:05 PM
Post by: RecycleMichael on April 28, 2008, 02:04:05 PM
No parking?
Title: 31st & Peoria Meshri Park
Post by: Gaspar on April 28, 2008, 02:15:57 PM
Post by: Gaspar on April 28, 2008, 02:15:57 PM
quote:
Originally posted by RecycleMichael
No parking?
No, It's just a neighborhood park. Small, but complex. Grab a coffee at Shades of Brown and stroll up to the park.[8D]
Title: 31st & Peoria Meshri Park
Post by: brunoflipper on April 28, 2008, 02:18:44 PM
Post by: brunoflipper on April 28, 2008, 02:18:44 PM
quote:i said the same damn thing... my wife informs me we're buying a brick regardless...
Originally posted by midtownnewbie
I'm glad there is going to be a sidewalk. We've been watching that lot and joking about how anyone going to the park will have to risk their life on either Peoria or 31st to get to it!
Title: 31st & Peoria Meshri Park
Post by: Gaspar on April 28, 2008, 02:22:42 PM
Post by: Gaspar on April 28, 2008, 02:22:42 PM
It's a touching story. Dr. Sanjay Meshri lost his wife, Dr. Indu Meshri several years ago and has sought to give something as a monument to her. This was a very emotional project for him.
Title: 31st & Peoria Meshri Park
Post by: sgrizzle on April 28, 2008, 03:31:15 PM
Post by: sgrizzle on April 28, 2008, 03:31:15 PM
If you want to buy a brick or donate to the cause, you can do so here:
http://www.mapleridgeneighborhood.com/
http://www.mapleridgeneighborhood.com/
Title: 31st & Peoria Meshri Park
Post by: Conan71 on April 28, 2008, 05:28:07 PM
Post by: Conan71 on April 28, 2008, 05:28:07 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Gaspar
It's a touching story. Dr. Sanjay Meshri lost his wife, Dr. Indu Meshri several years ago and has sought to give something as a monument to her. This was a very emotional project for him.
The Meshri's are good people and a credit to Tulsa.
Title: 31st & Peoria Meshri Park
Post by: PonderInc on April 30, 2008, 02:10:31 PM
Post by: PonderInc on April 30, 2008, 02:10:31 PM
So is south "up" on this drawing? Is this on the SW corner of 31st and Peoria?
Title: 31st & Peoria Meshri Park
Post by: TheArtist on April 30, 2008, 02:24:03 PM
Post by: TheArtist on April 30, 2008, 02:24:03 PM
I think this park is more for decorative purposes than anything. Its not very large and doesnt look over anything other than an intersection. Would make a sweet bus stop but dont know if its too close to the corner to be used as one, and there isnt really anything around it to warrant a bus stop. But hey, I do not want to complain about anyone wanting to spruice up any spot in Tulsa. Will make the drive, or stop, in the area look that much nicer and will add a nice touch to any walk or bikeride through the area.
Title: 31st & Peoria Meshri Park
Post by: sgrizzle on April 30, 2008, 02:25:36 PM
Post by: sgrizzle on April 30, 2008, 02:25:36 PM
quote:
Originally posted by PonderInc
So is south "up" on this drawing? Is this on the SW corner of 31st and Peoria?
Yes
SE
Title: 31st & Peoria Meshri Park
Post by: Gaspar on April 30, 2008, 03:15:58 PM
Post by: Gaspar on April 30, 2008, 03:15:58 PM
quote:
Originally posted by sgrizzlequote:
Originally posted by PonderInc
So is south "up" on this drawing? Is this on the SW corner of 31st and Peoria?
Yes
SE
No. It is the North West corner.
Title: 31st & Peoria Meshri Park
Post by: TomPetty on April 30, 2008, 07:06:30 PM
Post by: TomPetty on April 30, 2008, 07:06:30 PM
This park is going to be a nice addition to the area. The house that was on the lot was old and tired looking. This project has been totally supported by private donations. The sidewalk should link Maple Ridge with Brookside.
An endowment drive has been started to endow the park so it is always maintained. You can find out more info at http://www.mapleridgeneighborhood.com/News%20and%20Upcoming%20Events/Entrance.htm The Tulsa Community Foundation owns the property, so all donations are tax deductible. You can send a contribution to the Maple Ridge Park Endowment Fund to TCF at
Tulsa Community Foundation
7030 South Yale Avenue, Suite 600
Tulsa , OK 74136
An endowment drive has been started to endow the park so it is always maintained. You can find out more info at http://www.mapleridgeneighborhood.com/News%20and%20Upcoming%20Events/Entrance.htm The Tulsa Community Foundation owns the property, so all donations are tax deductible. You can send a contribution to the Maple Ridge Park Endowment Fund to TCF at
Tulsa Community Foundation
7030 South Yale Avenue, Suite 600
Tulsa , OK 74136
Title: 31st & Peoria Meshri Park
Post by: sgrizzle on April 30, 2008, 09:37:04 PM
Post by: sgrizzle on April 30, 2008, 09:37:04 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Gasparquote:
Originally posted by sgrizzlequote:
Originally posted by PonderInc
So is south "up" on this drawing? Is this on the SW corner of 31st and Peoria?
Yes
SE
No. It is the North West corner.
So the "welcome to brookside" entry point has a sign facing people leaving brookside?
Title: 31st & Peoria Meshri Park
Post by: Gaspar on May 01, 2008, 07:31:27 AM
Post by: Gaspar on May 01, 2008, 07:31:27 AM
quote:
Originally posted by sgrizzlequote:
Originally posted by Gasparquote:
Originally posted by sgrizzlequote:
Originally posted by PonderInc
So is south "up" on this drawing? Is this on the SW corner of 31st and Peoria?
Yes
SE
No. It is the North West corner.
So the "welcome to brookside" entry point has a sign facing people leaving brookside?
No it's a Welcome to Maple Ridge sign. Defigns the transition from Brookside to the historic neighborhood.
Title: 31st & Peoria Meshri Park
Post by: sgrizzle on May 01, 2008, 01:00:27 PM
Post by: sgrizzle on May 01, 2008, 01:00:27 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Gasparquote:
Originally posted by sgrizzle
So the "welcome to brookside" entry point has a sign facing people leaving brookside?
No it's a Welcome to Maple Ridge sign. Defigns the transition from Brookside to the historic neighborhood.
Nu uh:
quote:
Originally posted by Gaspar
...and a beautiful addition to the entrance of Brookside.
Besides, I thought Maple Ridge already had signs:
(http://www.seton.com//images/styleno/82637.gif)
Title: 31st & Peoria Meshri Park
Post by: PonderInc on May 01, 2008, 09:39:20 PM
Post by: PonderInc on May 01, 2008, 09:39:20 PM
I drove by today. The park will definitely be on the NW corner of 31st and Peoria...
The map orientation is actually correct. I was just confused b/c everyone was talking about Brookside.
The map orientation is actually correct. I was just confused b/c everyone was talking about Brookside.
Title: 31st & Peoria Meshri Park
Post by: cannon_fodder on May 02, 2008, 08:35:52 AM
Post by: cannon_fodder on May 02, 2008, 08:35:52 AM
The sign near Maple Ridge is actually just in Spanish. [xx(]
Title: 31st & Peoria Meshri Park
Post by: AVERAGE JOE on May 02, 2008, 09:53:59 AM
Post by: AVERAGE JOE on May 02, 2008, 09:53:59 AM
quote:
Originally posted by sgrizzlequote:
Originally posted by Gasparquote:
Originally posted by sgrizzle
So the "welcome to brookside" entry point has a sign facing people leaving brookside?
No it's a Welcome to Maple Ridge sign. Defigns the transition from Brookside to the historic neighborhood.
Nu uh:quote:
Originally posted by Gaspar
...and a beautiful addition to the entrance of Brookside.
Besides, I thought Maple Ridge already had signs:
(http://www.seton.com//images/styleno/82637.gif)
It's the Maple Ridge neighborhood who organized and came up with the plan to buy the house and put in a park. The fear was that it would be an eyesore rental property. Dr. Meshri's donation made the plan a reality. So it's definitely all about Maple Ridge. Any talk about Brookside was mistaken.
Title: 31st & Peoria Meshri Park
Post by: sauerkraut on May 02, 2008, 11:30:07 AM
Post by: sauerkraut on May 02, 2008, 11:30:07 AM
It'll be nice to have a park that is circled by a jogging trail. We have alot of such parks in Ohio. A park with a one-mile loop trail that circles it makes it easy to count your mileage.
Title: 31st & Peoria Meshri Park
Post by: midtownnewbie on May 02, 2008, 12:15:27 PM
Post by: midtownnewbie on May 02, 2008, 12:15:27 PM
quote:
Originally posted by sauerkraut
It'll be nice to have a park that is circled by a jogging trail. We have alot of such parks in Ohio. A park with a one-mile loop trail that circles it makes it easy to count your mileage.
Are you talking about the same park? This one is the size of small building lot.
Title: 31st & Peoria Meshri Park
Post by: sgrizzle on May 02, 2008, 01:51:46 PM
Post by: sgrizzle on May 02, 2008, 01:51:46 PM
quote:
Originally posted by cannon_fodder
The sign near Maple Ridge is actually just in Spanish. [xx(]
I tried but I couldn't find a spanish-only version.
Title: 31st & Peoria Meshri Park
Post by: TheArtist on May 02, 2008, 10:32:44 PM
Post by: TheArtist on May 02, 2008, 10:32:44 PM
quote:
Originally posted by sauerkraut
It'll be nice to have a park that is circled by a jogging trail. We have alot of such parks in Ohio. A park with a one-mile loop trail that circles it makes it easy to count your mileage.
You will have to run around this park a looooooot of times lol. Its basically a decorative element. My back yard is probably bigger than this park.
Title: 31st & Peoria Meshri Park
Post by: BierGarten on January 30, 2009, 08:00:21 AM
Post by: BierGarten on January 30, 2009, 08:00:21 AM
This park is not shaping up the way I would have hoped.
(1) Is the blue metal gazebo going to be painted or is it always going to be that color? If it is always going to be that color, hopefully there is going to be enough landscaping to hide the hideousness of the gazebo. I didn't think it was possible to build an ugly gazebo until I saw this one.
(2) The park sign that was recently erected is HUGE! It in no way fits in with the size of the actual park. Quite frankly, I find it to be an eyesore.
Am I over-reacting or do others feel this way too (obviously anything is better than a run down house)?
(1) Is the blue metal gazebo going to be painted or is it always going to be that color? If it is always going to be that color, hopefully there is going to be enough landscaping to hide the hideousness of the gazebo. I didn't think it was possible to build an ugly gazebo until I saw this one.
(2) The park sign that was recently erected is HUGE! It in no way fits in with the size of the actual park. Quite frankly, I find it to be an eyesore.
Am I over-reacting or do others feel this way too (obviously anything is better than a run down house)?
Title: 31st & Peoria Meshri Park
Post by: sgrizzle on January 30, 2009, 08:13:13 AM
Post by: sgrizzle on January 30, 2009, 08:13:13 AM
Sign looks pretty big in the drawing.
I wasn't expecting anything more than eye candy when you drive by. I will judge it once it's done instead of so early on.
I wasn't expecting anything more than eye candy when you drive by. I will judge it once it's done instead of so early on.
Title: 31st & Peoria Meshri Park
Post by: cannon_fodder on January 30, 2009, 08:57:14 AM
Post by: cannon_fodder on January 30, 2009, 08:57:14 AM
I find the entire think pointless. A nice relaxing picnic near a super busy intersection? Too small for kids to play. Can't let your dog run so close to the roads.
Good effort, parks are always a positive. Just seems kind of pointless. Someone let me know when they spend some time there...
Good effort, parks are always a positive. Just seems kind of pointless. Someone let me know when they spend some time there...
Title: 31st & Peoria Meshri Park
Post by: TheArtist on January 30, 2009, 09:17:09 AM
Post by: TheArtist on January 30, 2009, 09:17:09 AM
A pleasant looking "park feature" on the corner is not such bad idea. Not practical really, but mostly for appearances sake. However I think its turned into a farce with that huge sign blaring out MESHRI'S name on it. That's a bit tacky for that space. If it were a new university campus "Schusterman Campus" or hosptial wing, womens shelter, etc. I could see one putting their name that large on it lol. But you know the Helmerichs, Zarrows, etc. the "old money crowd" wouldn't do something that brazenly inappropriate on the things they donated. A sign is fine but have some decorum and scale about it. I know, I think I will donate, say a bench, then put a billboard up bragging about how great I was to donate that bench. A bench,,, a tiny little metal thing with your name stamped on it is fine. A pocket park, a small "pocket park sized" sign is appropriate. Not some huge sign with your name in huge, shiny gold lettering on a shiny black bacground lol. The sign shouldn't be bigger than say a university or hospital for instance.
Title: 31st & Peoria Meshri Park
Post by: ARGUS on January 30, 2009, 09:25:51 AM
Post by: ARGUS on January 30, 2009, 09:25:51 AM
It's donkey. Sorry failed attempt by all involved.
Gaspar.............youvvvve some splaining to doooo!
This coming from a guy who loves Tulsa, Oklahoma, Okies, Brookside and a former Travis Park resident.
Gaspar.............youvvvve some splaining to doooo!
This coming from a guy who loves Tulsa, Oklahoma, Okies, Brookside and a former Travis Park resident.
Title: 31st & Peoria Meshri Park
Post by: cannon_fodder on January 30, 2009, 09:26:27 AM
Post by: cannon_fodder on January 30, 2009, 09:26:27 AM
I didn't mean to be unappreciative Artist. I guess I was saying some simple landscaping and a bench would have been a better use of funds. Build a gazebo somewhere that it will be used.
Title: 31st & Peoria Meshri Park
Post by: TheArtist on January 30, 2009, 10:01:06 AM
Post by: TheArtist on January 30, 2009, 10:01:06 AM
quote:
Originally posted by cannon_fodder
I didn't mean to be unappreciative Artist. I guess I was saying some simple landscaping and a bench would have been a better use of funds. Build a gazebo somewhere that it will be used.
I see your point. But remember, the gazebo isnt terribly expensive. Is not much more than what you could probably order at your local hardware store. And adds an extra bit to the look of the park. Some flowering vines growing up and around it would be a nice touch. Again, I think the park itself is a wonderful gesture and would love to see more people do this kind of "beautification" thing in more parts of the city. But the name on the sign is WAY too large lol. Newcomers not familiar with the area may think its the sign describing the whole neighborhood or something, not just that little corner lol. Heck its lager than the Philbrook Museum sign just down the street, or Tulsa Historical Society and museum, is more prominent than the one for Woodward Park etc. Was basically a lapse in the usual "social decorum" for such things. You could have put some sort of art on the sign and the name smaller below that and not so loud, or added some more azaleas lol. Right now I flinch when I drive by that corner and see that sign the way it is.
Title: 31st & Peoria Meshri Park
Post by: Gaspar on January 30, 2009, 12:10:53 PM
Post by: Gaspar on January 30, 2009, 12:10:53 PM
quote:
Originally posted by ARGUS
It's donkey. Sorry failed attempt by all involved.
Gaspar.............youvvvve some splaining to doooo!
This coming from a guy who loves Tulsa, Oklahoma, Okies, Brookside and a former Travis Park resident.
We just do the design and the pretty images. People build what they want.
Title: 31st & Peoria Meshri Park
Post by: TheArtist on January 30, 2009, 01:59:03 PM
Post by: TheArtist on January 30, 2009, 01:59:03 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Gasparquote:
Originally posted by ARGUS
It's donkey. Sorry failed attempt by all involved.
Gaspar.............youvvvve some splaining to doooo!
This coming from a guy who loves Tulsa, Oklahoma, Okies, Brookside and a former Travis Park resident.
We just do the design and the pretty images. People build what they want.
Well someone down the line should have had the kindness to have suggested to the poor fellow that perhaps the name/sign should be a bit smaller and more proportional to things. Plus, not sure how it got approved like that in the first place? And when your doing the pretty images,,,wouldn't that be the time to mention those faux paux's and discuss them with the client? Or at least do like I do with some clients and creatively "fix" them lol.
Title: 31st & Peoria Meshri Park
Post by: Breadburner on January 31, 2009, 09:22:31 AM
Post by: Breadburner on January 31, 2009, 09:22:31 AM
It is just awful...I meant to start about this a few days ago....Liberace would be proud....
Title: 31st & Peoria Meshri Park
Post by: SXSW on January 31, 2009, 05:43:15 PM
Post by: SXSW on January 31, 2009, 05:43:15 PM
Pics anyone? I wondered how this "pocket park" was progressing.
Title: 31st & Peoria Meshri Park
Post by: Breadburner on January 31, 2009, 05:57:30 PM
Post by: Breadburner on January 31, 2009, 05:57:30 PM
quote:
Originally posted by SXSW
Pics anyone? I wondered how this "pocket park" was progressing.
Do yourself a favor and dont look its awful....
Title: 31st & Peoria Meshri Park
Post by: TheArtist on January 31, 2009, 09:54:20 PM
Post by: TheArtist on January 31, 2009, 09:54:20 PM
quote:
Originally posted by SXSW
Pics anyone? I wondered how this "pocket park" was progressing.
I will try to go take one and post it on here... Basically it will necessarily be a picture of a huge sign. You might be able to see a little bit of the park there behind it if I get at just the right angle so that its not completely blocked by the sign.
Title: 31st & Peoria Meshri Park
Post by: Rico on January 31, 2009, 11:29:14 PM
Post by: Rico on January 31, 2009, 11:29:14 PM
quote:
Originally posted by TheArtist
A pleasant looking "park feature" on the corner is not such bad idea. Not practical really, but mostly for appearances sake. However I think its turned into a farce with that huge sign blaring out MESHRI'S name on it. That's a bit tacky for that space. If it were a new university campus "Schusterman Campus" or hosptial wing, womens shelter, etc. I could see one putting their name that large on it lol. But you know the Helmerichs, Zarrows, etc. the "old money crowd" wouldn't do something that brazenly inappropriate on the things they donated. A sign is fine but have some decorum and scale about it. I know, I think I will donate, say a bench, then put a billboard up bragging about how great I was to donate that bench. A bench,,, a tiny little metal thing with your name stamped on it is fine. A pocket park, a small "pocket park sized" sign is appropriate. Not some huge sign with your name in huge, shiny gold lettering on a shiny black bacground lol. The sign shouldn't be bigger than say a university or hospital for instance.
Will, how many other "Memorial" sites have you gone after with this amount of zeal?
Do you think the "old money" ,as you say, would have expended this amount of energy and critique to the method that the fellow is using to pay final homage to his spouse?
Those small or incidental facts can change over time.
Some facts can not be changed.
"It's a touching story. Dr. Sanjay Meshri lost his wife, Dr. Indu Meshri several years ago and has sought to give something as a monument to her. This was a very emotional project for him."
I hope the size of the sign ,at this point, reflects the comfort he might feel after his loss.
Title: 31st & Peoria Meshri Park
Post by: Kenosha on February 01, 2009, 10:47:06 AM
Post by: Kenosha on February 01, 2009, 10:47:06 AM
Yeah. The sign is out of scale. Big time.
Title: 31st & Peoria Meshri Park
Post by: TheArtist on February 01, 2009, 11:11:52 AM
Post by: TheArtist on February 01, 2009, 11:11:52 AM
quote:
Originally posted by Ricoquote:
Originally posted by TheArtist
A pleasant looking "park feature" on the corner is not such bad idea. Not practical really, but mostly for appearances sake. However I think its turned into a farce with that huge sign blaring out MESHRI'S name on it. That's a bit tacky for that space. If it were a new university campus "Schusterman Campus" or hosptial wing, womens shelter, etc. I could see one putting their name that large on it lol. But you know the Helmerichs, Zarrows, etc. the "old money crowd" wouldn't do something that brazenly inappropriate on the things they donated. A sign is fine but have some decorum and scale about it. I know, I think I will donate, say a bench, then put a billboard up bragging about how great I was to donate that bench. A bench,,, a tiny little metal thing with your name stamped on it is fine. A pocket park, a small "pocket park sized" sign is appropriate. Not some huge sign with your name in huge, shiny gold lettering on a shiny black bacground lol. The sign shouldn't be bigger than say a university or hospital for instance.
Will, how many other "Memorial" sites have you gone after with this amount of zeal?
Do you think the "old money" ,as you say, would have expended this amount of energy and critique to the method that the fellow is using to pay final homage to his spouse?
Those small or incidental facts can change over time.
Some facts can not be changed.
"It's a touching story. Dr. Sanjay Meshri lost his wife, Dr. Indu Meshri several years ago and has sought to give something as a monument to her. This was a very emotional project for him."
I hope the size of the sign ,at this point, reflects the comfort he might feel after his loss.
All right @sswipe. That was uncalled for. First off, I didn't know it was a memorial and I haven't previously seen any indication that it was. And no, If I had known it was, I wouldn't have used such harsh language. However, if its a memorial, imo, that should be all the more reason for something to be done with more care and thought. Lots of people have loved ones who die, that doesn't give them carte blanche to do something inappropriate in the name of their loved ones. The park is great. The sign is a mess. Memorial or not. It just makes it all that more tragic that someone didn't kindly, for his sake, suggest a better approach.
What you mean by this... "I hope the size of the sign ,at this point, reflects the comfort he might feel after his loss." I have no idea. Its not just that its too large for the space, its also ugly in that it doesn't fit the area. If the guy had wanted a 50'tall bubble gum pink bunny to sit on that corner to "reflect the comfort he might feel after his loss",,, it wouldn't have been the right thing to do. Would it? Don't be absurd. We can't all just do whatever we want to do, wherever we want to because someone we love died. Of course its a horrible thing for anyone to have to go through. This just makes this whole thing all the more unfortunate.
You know, I believe they have stopped allowing memorials along riverside because they decided that it wasn't appropriate to continue doing so. Everyone that has a loved one die, can't suddenly do whatever they want, wherever they want to. Things should still have to be approved. They should should be appropriate for an area. Well meaning doesn't mean we turn a blind eye. Frankly, I would say, hey great, fill the city with grand, beautiful or creative monuments. But don't allow tragedy to turn into unfortunate eyesores. Thats not how these things should be done.
I, and my family, want to build the Goddess of Oil statue as a kind of monument to my grandmother who passed away last year. But I know it can't, and shouldn't be built for that reason alone. Its a motivation for me to build it. But building something beautiful and wonderful as a gift to Tulsa is also a reason. The average person isnt going to know or give a flip about who my grandmother was. The result still has to be something that adds to the city and its beauty and history. It needs to be in the right area. It needs to be appropriate in scale to wherever it may end up going. No matter what the story or personal feelings, we can't just randomly pick any place or any scale and plop something down without proper care and consideration to how its going to look and affect an area.
Title: 31st & Peoria Meshri Park
Post by: Rico on February 01, 2009, 02:52:24 PM
Post by: Rico on February 01, 2009, 02:52:24 PM
Originally posted by The Artist.
"All right @sswipe. That was uncalled for. First off, I didn't know it was a memorial and I haven't previously seen any indication that it was. And no, If I had known it was, I wouldn't have used such harsh language. However, if its a memorial, imo, that should be all the more reason for something to be done with more care and thought. Lots of people have loved ones who die, that doesn't give them carte blanche to do something inappropriate in the name of their loved ones. The park is great. The sign is a mess. Memorial or not. It just makes it all that more tragic that someone didn't kindly, for his sake, suggest a better approach.
What you mean by this... "I hope the size of the sign ,at this point, reflects the comfort he might feel after his loss." I have no idea. Its not just that its too large for the space, its also ugly in that it doesn't fit the area. If the guy had wanted a 50'tall bubble gum pink bunny to sit on that corner to "reflect the comfort he might feel after his loss",,, it wouldn't have been the right thing to do. Would it? Don't be absurd. We can't all just do whatever we want to do, wherever we want to because someone we love died. Of course its a horrible thing for anyone to have to go through. This just makes this whole thing all the more unfortunate.
You know, I believe they have stopped allowing memorials along riverside because they decided that it wasn't appropriate to continue doing so. Everyone that has a loved one die, can't suddenly do whatever they want, wherever they want to. Things should still have to be approved. They should should be appropriate for an area. Well meaning doesn't mean we turn a blind eye. Frankly, I would say, hey great, fill the city with grand, beautiful or creative monuments. But don't allow tragedy to turn into unfortunate eyesores. Thats not how these things should be done.
I, and my family, want to build the Goddess of Oil statue as a kind of monument to my grandmother who passed away last year. But I know it can't, and shouldn't be built for that reason alone. Its a motivation for me to build it. But building something beautiful and wonderful as a gift to Tulsa is also a reason. The average person isnt going to know or give a flip about who my grandmother was. The result still has to be something that adds to the city and its beauty and history. It needs to be in the right area. It needs to be appropriate in scale to wherever it may end up going. No matter what the story or personal feelings, we can't just randomly pick any place or any scale and plop something down without proper care and consideration to how its going to look and affect an area."
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y179/rico2/1.jpg)
did he jus say what I think he said....?
Look, point being, for all you know that thread could have been read by the man himself... More than just H2O are on this board from Mapleridge.
Just thought that since the story was explained at the beginning of the thread you might have known what you were commenting on.
Tell you what... You have some fairly well off clients.. Possibly you could set an appointment with Dr Meshri and council him on a fitting piece of artwork to replace the sign.?
Chances are you could sell him on it and make a contribution to the Tulsa Streetscape at the same time.
Just a thought.
"All right @sswipe. That was uncalled for. First off, I didn't know it was a memorial and I haven't previously seen any indication that it was. And no, If I had known it was, I wouldn't have used such harsh language. However, if its a memorial, imo, that should be all the more reason for something to be done with more care and thought. Lots of people have loved ones who die, that doesn't give them carte blanche to do something inappropriate in the name of their loved ones. The park is great. The sign is a mess. Memorial or not. It just makes it all that more tragic that someone didn't kindly, for his sake, suggest a better approach.
What you mean by this... "I hope the size of the sign ,at this point, reflects the comfort he might feel after his loss." I have no idea. Its not just that its too large for the space, its also ugly in that it doesn't fit the area. If the guy had wanted a 50'tall bubble gum pink bunny to sit on that corner to "reflect the comfort he might feel after his loss",,, it wouldn't have been the right thing to do. Would it? Don't be absurd. We can't all just do whatever we want to do, wherever we want to because someone we love died. Of course its a horrible thing for anyone to have to go through. This just makes this whole thing all the more unfortunate.
You know, I believe they have stopped allowing memorials along riverside because they decided that it wasn't appropriate to continue doing so. Everyone that has a loved one die, can't suddenly do whatever they want, wherever they want to. Things should still have to be approved. They should should be appropriate for an area. Well meaning doesn't mean we turn a blind eye. Frankly, I would say, hey great, fill the city with grand, beautiful or creative monuments. But don't allow tragedy to turn into unfortunate eyesores. Thats not how these things should be done.
I, and my family, want to build the Goddess of Oil statue as a kind of monument to my grandmother who passed away last year. But I know it can't, and shouldn't be built for that reason alone. Its a motivation for me to build it. But building something beautiful and wonderful as a gift to Tulsa is also a reason. The average person isnt going to know or give a flip about who my grandmother was. The result still has to be something that adds to the city and its beauty and history. It needs to be in the right area. It needs to be appropriate in scale to wherever it may end up going. No matter what the story or personal feelings, we can't just randomly pick any place or any scale and plop something down without proper care and consideration to how its going to look and affect an area."
did he jus say what I think he said....?Look, point being, for all you know that thread could have been read by the man himself... More than just H2O are on this board from Mapleridge.
Just thought that since the story was explained at the beginning of the thread you might have known what you were commenting on.
Tell you what... You have some fairly well off clients.. Possibly you could set an appointment with Dr Meshri and council him on a fitting piece of artwork to replace the sign.?
Chances are you could sell him on it and make a contribution to the Tulsa Streetscape at the same time.
Just a thought.
Title: 31st & Peoria Meshri Park
Post by: Double A on February 01, 2009, 06:37:46 PM
Post by: Double A on February 01, 2009, 06:37:46 PM
Rico, it was totally called for. Good call.
Title: 31st & Peoria Meshri Park
Post by: TheArtist on February 01, 2009, 09:37:10 PM
Post by: TheArtist on February 01, 2009, 09:37:10 PM
I want to say I am sorry to Mr Meshri and to Rico.
For some reason I completely did not register that it was a memorial. I went back and read the first page of this thread, and missed it. Then later saw the comment. Even reread the statement on the neighborhoods website to see how I could have overlooked it and found a 1 sentence mention of a "memorial wall". Again, something I didn't register or overlooked.
I am sorry I overreacted to what you said Rico. It hurt when I read it. If I had known it was a memorial, and had said those things, I would indeed have been a horrible person. I felt as though there was no trust that I was a decent person and was being accused of being a really bad one. But you didnt know that I,,, didn't know it was a memorial to his wife. I would hope that people would have not thought that I would intentionally have done something that bad and was hurt that someone would think I would. But, you couldn't have known that I was ranting, oblivious to the fact that it was a memorial. Hope that made some sense.
Its been pointed out to me by others that I tend to speak very passionately about things. Sometimes its good, sometimes it gets me into trouble. When I am right, its great. When I am wrong or make a mistake,,, I can really stick my foot in my mouth. This was the latter. And I am sorry.
For some reason I completely did not register that it was a memorial. I went back and read the first page of this thread, and missed it. Then later saw the comment. Even reread the statement on the neighborhoods website to see how I could have overlooked it and found a 1 sentence mention of a "memorial wall". Again, something I didn't register or overlooked.
I am sorry I overreacted to what you said Rico. It hurt when I read it. If I had known it was a memorial, and had said those things, I would indeed have been a horrible person. I felt as though there was no trust that I was a decent person and was being accused of being a really bad one. But you didnt know that I,,, didn't know it was a memorial to his wife. I would hope that people would have not thought that I would intentionally have done something that bad and was hurt that someone would think I would. But, you couldn't have known that I was ranting, oblivious to the fact that it was a memorial. Hope that made some sense.
Its been pointed out to me by others that I tend to speak very passionately about things. Sometimes its good, sometimes it gets me into trouble. When I am right, its great. When I am wrong or make a mistake,,, I can really stick my foot in my mouth. This was the latter. And I am sorry.
Title: 31st & Peoria Meshri Park
Post by: Rico on February 01, 2009, 10:09:35 PM
Post by: Rico on February 01, 2009, 10:09:35 PM
No hay problema Senor Arteest[8D]
Title: 31st & Peoria Meshri Park
Post by: waterboy on February 01, 2009, 11:22:43 PM
Post by: waterboy on February 01, 2009, 11:22:43 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Rico
No hay problema Senor Arteest[8D]
Hey, Rico! Thanks for mentioning my name.[:D] Even though I love the look of the hood, I'm really not Maple Ridge stuff. One of them once referred to me as living in one of those "hanger's on homes..." I casually pointed out that my home predates Maple Ridge. My home's builder showed them the way.
Title: 31st & Peoria Meshri Park
Post by: midtownnewbie on February 02, 2009, 10:43:48 AM
Post by: midtownnewbie on February 02, 2009, 10:43:48 AM
Back on topic, does anyone know if there is going to be a sidewalk to get people to the "park"? If there is one, it looks like it would have to connect to 30th.