i screwed this post up in a different thread...
a block from cascia/utica square a family was robbed/tormented... broken into at 4 AM and the family held at gun point while the house was ransacked... near 23rd and lewis...
ktul and kotv cover it but the tulsa world seems to skip over it... am i mistaken, did they cover it?
but then, you look closer and realize that there have been two others at 51st and yale and 51st and memorial just last week (the 14th)...
3 weeks ago, in march, there was one in owasso... a cop tells me that her advice is to "shoot them"... which is a nice thought but a little hard to do when you never hear them come in and wake to a gun in your face...
i hate to sound like a wacko but wow, welcome to the wild west...
I was reading about the different areas and crime yesterday. pancakes is going on?
That stuff sounds like things you see in a movie. What's happening to Tulsa?
Do we know if it is the same group doing it over and over, or some kind of trend? Most criminals are even smart enough to realize this is out of bounds, beyond "just" property crime. Generally, obscure crimes like this are one group - and when someone finally does shoot the SOBs it will be over.
Lets hope so anyway.
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Originally posted by cannon_fodder
Do we know if it is the same group doing it over and over, or some kind of trend? Most criminals are even smart enough to realize this is out of bounds, beyond "just" property crime. Generally, obscure crimes like this are one group - and when someone finally does shoot the SOBs it will be over.
Lets hope so anyway.
Well, if they ever decide to head down to Broken Arrow, the alarm system going off might dissuade them a little bit as well as wake me up..which means they will soon be getting a face full of pepper spray from a can so big you might confuse it with EZ cheeze. Eh, it's no gun.. but I am willing to bet they wouldn't stick around past trying to get one of the doors open, which is going to take them 5 or 10 minutes of kicking until they break their ankles trying to break through grade 1 deadbolts screwed into the door frames.
It'd be good fun.
These idiots have GOT to somehow know the people to which they do this crap. At least most of them. Every now and then one does get their head shot off.
The article about it is here:
http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?articleID=20080421_12_Polic00274
This BS will never stop until we make some examples out of these punks. Clean out death row. Make the sentence fit the crime. If you get 10 years SERVE 10 years, not 2!
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Originally posted by TURobY
The article about it is here:
http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?articleID=20080421_12_Polic00274
What were the comments the Whirled deleted? Was it anything relevant?
Are they ever anything relevant?
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Originally posted by TURobY
The article about it is here:
http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?articleID=20080421_12_Polic00274
yep they are all over it... a full 24 hours after all of the TV outlets were covering it...
The media does not even cover half of them. Parking lot hold ups are still going on too but when was the last time you heard about one.
How did the couple know it was the fellows who knocked on the door aksing to mow the lawn or trim the trees if they were masked?
Something tells me one of the robbers had been in the house before and/or knew the victims, because of the masks, and it sounds like they were pretty sure there was a safe.
I've got .40 cal hydra-shocks waiting for these a-holes if they can get through either steel case doors or a 2.5" thick hardwood door.
.......maybe somebody is inspired by the impunity that the criminal in 'No Country For Old Men' ran with.
Really though, waking up to that, i'd be like "Welcome to Bible Study, welcome to the foothill of ZION. Uh, Hast thou come to take a spoil?" Since I virtually dwell without bars and gates, like this people trust in, they might not bother with the lack of choice, but from a few copies of the KJV.
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Originally posted by MDepr2007
The media does not even cover half of them. Parking lot hold ups are still going on too but when was the last time you heard about one.
Yeah, the local media never cover crime, they're too focused on well-researched investigative journalism. (end sarcasm)
"Last year, 28,603 crimes were reported in Tulsa, a decrease of 0.47 percent, according to the Tulsa Police Department's statistics." (TW 2-7-08)
I think 28,200 of those were reported -- breathlessly and without any context -- by local media.
Hmm a friend of mine told me her story today, about a group of 5 or so black youth walking down the middle of the street in her neighborhood Saturday, making lots of noise. She thought it odd, since she only knew of a couple black families nearby, and neither had kids this age. Then they got up Sunday to find the tailgate missing from the truck parked in the driveway. According to the police, there were several calls from her area for just that same thing.
I myself almost lost a digital camera from Amazon off my front porch just before Christmas. I just happened to look out the front window after hearing the UPS truck, and saw a guy running toward my house from Yale. As soon as he saw me in the window, he stopped, pretended to be messing with the neighbors trash, then walked back the other direction. A ways out, he turned, looked at me (still staring him down), and raised his hands in the air in a "What??" gesture. This one was a white guy.
I don't know what it is. We don't seem to have a lot of police presence. Looks like we will have to start up neighborhood watches again. And for the first time in my life, I'm thinking about buying a gun.
I'm always armed when answering the front door.....
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Originally posted by Conan71
How did the couple know it was the fellows who knocked on the door aksing to mow the lawn or trim the trees if they were masked?
Something tells me one of the robbers had been in the house before and/or knew the victims, because of the masks, and it sounds like they were pretty sure there was a safe.
I've got .40 cal hydra-shocks waiting for these a-holes if they can get through either steel case doors or a 2.5" thick hardwood door.
i love internet tough guys.....especially the ones who barricade themselves in their house with steel doors. reminds me of Critical Bill in Things to Do In Denver When You're Dead.
oops, looks like the whirled finally decided to shut the comments off completely... despite plenty of ignorant **** on there, i've never seen them block 'em completely...
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Originally posted by brunoflipper
oops, looks like the whirled finally decided to shut the comments off completely... despite plenty of ignorant **** on there, i've never seen them block 'em completely...
Once in a while someone with some real information will post. Relative, friend, witness, someone afraid to identify themselves but needing to get something off their chest.
A lead is a lead, but its lost if you shut off the channel because you cant take the static.
Most crime stories involving black perpetrators eventually gets the comments turned off. Either there are a lot of racist individuals here or they all congregate on the World's comments section.
well, from listening to the radio this morning it sounds like another invasion, except this time the internet tough guy got whacked.
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Originally posted by inteller
well, from listening to the radio this morning it sounds like another invasion, except this time the internet tough guy got whacked.
internet tough guy? hardly.
sounds to me like he complied but they wanted more cash...
try this...
(http://www.rainbowcharlie.ca/READING%20COMPREHENSION.jpg)
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Originally posted by brunoflipper
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Originally posted by inteller
well, from listening to the radio this morning it sounds like another invasion, except this time the internet tough guy got whacked.
internet tough guy? hardly.
sounds to me like he complied but they wanted more cash...
try this...
(http://www.rainbowcharlie.ca/READING%20COMPREHENSION.jpg)
I didn't know you could read a radio station dumbass. but you are right, since he didn't have enough money he probably wasn't one of the tough guys on here talking about thick doors and hydra shocks. I guess the invaders were expecting more since hitting the Cascia joint.
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Originally posted by inteller
well, from listening to the radio this morning it sounds like another invasion, except this time the internet tough guy got whacked.
Is there something wrong with being prepared to protect you and your family from a 'home invader', inteller? I'm just trying to figure out why you started on about this internet tough guy business. Would you rather someone not have some sort of plan and just let this scum come into their house and take their possessions and/or possibly get killed even without resisting?
I'm not trying to be argumentative, just wanting to understand what you are getting at.
How about "listening comprehension". The "internet tough guy" killed this morning was a registered sex offender. Revenge, perhaps?
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Originally posted by TulsaMINI
was a registered sex offender. Revenge, perhaps?
oh wow, that brings a whole new insight into it.
Ur Interweb OSCN research iz teh bestest!
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Originally posted by tulsacyclist
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Originally posted by inteller
well, from listening to the radio this morning it sounds like another invasion, except this time the internet tough guy got whacked.
Is there something wrong with being prepared to protect you and your family from a 'home invader', inteller? I'm just trying to figure out why you started on about this internet tough guy business. Would you rather someone not have some sort of plan and just let this scum come into their house and take their possessions and/or possibly get killed even without resisting?
I'm not trying to be argumentative, just wanting to understand what you are getting at.
go read the above internet tough guy posts about "I've got .40 cal hydra shocks waiting for them" and "I've got steel case doors for them to bust through" to see what I'm getting at.
yep, he was a scumbag... oh well, good riddance... i'd go ask those four other dudes who were in on the rape/kiddie porn case where they were last night...
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Originally posted by inteller
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Originally posted by tulsacyclist
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Originally posted by inteller
well, from listening to the radio this morning it sounds like another invasion, except this time the internet tough guy got whacked.
Is there something wrong with being prepared to protect you and your family from a 'home invader', inteller? I'm just trying to figure out why you started on about this internet tough guy business. Would you rather someone not have some sort of plan and just let this scum come into their house and take their possessions and/or possibly get killed even without resisting?
I'm not trying to be argumentative, just wanting to understand what you are getting at.
go read the above internet tough guy posts about "I've got .40 cal hydra shocks waiting for them" and "I've got steel case doors for them to bust through" to see what I'm getting at.
Nope not at all....You remind me of Shadows on this particular issue....Internet tough guy applies to someone that threatens other people from behind the keyboard....
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Originally posted by inteller
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Originally posted by tulsacyclist
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Originally posted by inteller
well, from listening to the radio this morning it sounds like another invasion, except this time the internet tough guy got whacked.
Is there something wrong with being prepared to protect you and your family from a 'home invader', inteller? I'm just trying to figure out why you started on about this internet tough guy business. Would you rather someone not have some sort of plan and just let this scum come into their house and take their possessions and/or possibly get killed even without resisting?
I'm not trying to be argumentative, just wanting to understand what you are getting at.
go read the above internet tough guy posts about "I've got .40 cal hydra shocks waiting for them" and "I've got steel case doors for them to bust through" to see what I'm getting at.
I've got steel case doors and hydra shocks myself. I also carry my gun whenever I answer the door. I keep a spare clip with personal protection ammo in it. I have a couple of ball bats place about the house in easy to get to locations, and a kitchen full of knifes. Does this mean I'm a really really internet tough guy? And here I was just thinking I was peranoid (with good reason albeit).
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Originally posted by inteller
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Originally posted by Conan71
How did the couple know it was the fellows who knocked on the door aksing to mow the lawn or trim the trees if they were masked?
Something tells me one of the robbers had been in the house before and/or knew the victims, because of the masks, and it sounds like they were pretty sure there was a safe.
I've got .40 cal hydra-shocks waiting for these a-holes if they can get through either steel case doors or a 2.5" thick hardwood door.
i love internet tough guys.....especially the ones who barricade themselves in their house with steel doors. reminds me of Critical Bill in Things to Do In Denver When You're Dead.
I'd rather be an internet tough guy than internet dildo. At least I don't wear driving gloves everywhere I go...
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Conan wrote
I've got .40 cal hydra-shocks waiting for these a-holes if they can get through either steel case doors or a 2.5" thick hardwood door.
What is tough guy about that? He didn't say he wants to get them, nor did he imply he was tougher than they are... he just stated that he has a pistol and implied he would shoot them if they got through his very standard doors. If the need arose, I imagine most people would have the same basic idea.
Hell, he didn't even imply he would be successful, just what he would do.
On the doors - I have steel screen doors (don't bother locking though), I have decorative steel bars on my windows (whatever you call them, they make one large pane look like smaller pains and probably offer minimal if any real protection) and steel doors with dead bolts to me house. I didn't add these because I was paranoid, they were put in my midtown home when it was built about 20 years ago. What's the big deal with his setup?
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This one seems different than the other invasions, probably to the dismay of other criminals as severe acts such as this put low life's in jeopardy. When they just wave a gun and take money, many people will just comply. Now that someone complied and got executed - it seems likely that compliance will come more difficult and trigger fingers will be a bit more edgy.
I imagine it is tied to this man's past. Here is what I can find on him:
Frederick Anthony Wilson born 08/06/1982:
1. Drug Possession (still paying this fine from 1996)
2. Raped a child with an instrument (one of the 5 men with him took pictures of it apperently)
3. Three separate paternity suits (while married to someone else)
4. Traffic crap (never has a license, etc.)
5. Civil breaking and entering
Not a bad 10 year run. Keep in mind he probably has Juvenile records that are sealed... seeing how he died at 25. It is more impressive if you keep in mind that he got 4 years in 1996 and 15 years (plus 7 , concurrent) in 2001 for the rape charge.
I do not have the full information on the child rape charge, but I'll go out on a limb and assume that he was not on the straight and narrow and was involved with something that got him shot last night. I can't say he deserved to die, but by the limited information I have society was just saved some trouble.
Date of Offense - 4/17/1996
Disposed: CONVICTION, 05/30/1996. Guilty Plea.
Count as Disposed:UNLAWFUL POSSESSION OF CONTROLLED DRUG/FELONY AFCF. 4 Years State, 1 Year City Jail.
Date Of Offense: 04/01/2001
Disposed: CONVICTION, 06/27/2002.
1 - RAPE BY INSTRUMENTATION (RAPE)
2 - AIDING CHILD TO PERFORM (OC)
3 - ATTEMPTED RAPE BY INSTRUMENTATION
15 Years for Rape concurrent with 7 years for Aiding and Attempted Rape
Civil/DHS Actions:
Filed: 03/07/1996
Paternity Suit. Default judgment against Wilson.
Filed: 08/15/2000
Issue: FORCIBLE ENTRY & DETAINER <$1500. (small claims). Disposed: DEFAULT JUDGEMENT, 11/29/2000. Default Judgment.
Offense: 03/25/2001
1- SPEEDING - POSTED ZONE
2- DRIVING WITHOUT A DRIVER'S LICENSE
3- DRIVING WITHOUT OWNERS' SECURITY VERIFICATIN FROM
Filed: 06/17/2003. Paternity Suit. Dismissed.
'
02/13/2006
DIVORCE WITHOUT MINOR CHILDREN Closed: 05/15/2006
Date Of Offense: 02/13/2007.
Disposed: CONVICTION, 05/21/2007. Nolo Contendere Plea. Count as Disposed:DRIVING UNDER SUSPENSION / DUS (DL2)
[edit]Removed a 1991 DHS action as it was Frederick A. Wilson, but apperently not Frederick Anthony Wilson as he was 9 at the time. Please correct data if you learn otherwise, just a quick check. [/edit]
looks like the invaders did us a favor.
Obviously some home invasions are random.
Some of them aren't. I had two neighbors who were known to have been dealing Xanax and other prescription drugs. One night, they claimed they answered the door and two guys beat them within an inch of their lives. Claimed they didn't know them, simply couldn't imagine why this happened, and warned us that we should be on the lookout.
I just nodded my head as they told this story, but I knew better.
In case you're wondering, they moved away not long after that.
BTW, I think having a barking dog behind your door is a far better deterrent than a gun no one can see or is even sure that you have.
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Originally posted by rwarn17588
Obviously some home invasions are random.
Some of them aren't. I had two neighbors who were known to have been dealing Xanax and other prescription drugs. One night, they claimed they answered the door and two guys beat them within an inch of their lives. Claimed they didn't know them, simply couldn't imagine why this happened, and warned us that we should be on the lookout.
I just nodded my head as they told this story, but I knew better.
In case you're wondering, they moved away not long after that.
BTW, I think having a barking dog behind your door is a far better deterrent than a gun no one can see or is even sure that you have.
Unfortunately, a five pound Yorkie doesn't bark with much authority. [;)]
I have ~ 150 pounds of dog. They sooner lick someone to death than actually hurt them, but the noise is probably more important. You can force me to turn off an alarm, but so much shut my dogs up.
Plus, some people are just afraid of dogs and/or don't realize 95+% of dogs are no threat to anyone.
Security by Butch:
(http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q55/71conan/TN/HPIM0723.jpg)
[}:)]
I have a sign on my front door that says"if you werent invited you arent welcome and survivors will be prosecuted"
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Originally posted by Quinton
I have a sign on my front door that says"if you werent invited you arent welcome and survivors will be prosecuted"
And I have one the reads"Violators will be shot,Survivors will be shot again!"
I don't think you are at much risk unless you are dealing drugs like this guy was. The other home invasion was scary but I doubt a sign on the door would have dissuaded them. Now that tooth bearing, snarling Yorkie, there's some protection!
Sometimes there's drugs involved or other illegal activity going on to cause the invasion to happen in the first place. Then other times it's a true robbery. I'm not worried about home invasion robberies at all, I sleep with a loaded gun and have the doors dead-bolted, the noise of anyone breaking thru the door will wake me up and give me more than ample time to take cover and take aim. There are other crimes that I am more worried about..[xx(]
Personally, I can't think of a better sleep aid for those worried about home invasions than this:
http://academy.com/index.php?page=content&target=products/outdoors/hunting/firearms/shotguns_homedefense&start=0&selectedSKU=0350-01883-0231
Only $200 so you can sleep like a baby.
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Originally posted by TeeDub
Personally, I can't think of a better sleep aid for those worried about home invasions than this:
http://academy.com/index.php?page=content&target=products/outdoors/hunting/firearms/shotguns_homedefense&start=0&selectedSKU=0350-01883-0231
Only $200 so you can sleep like a baby.
Nothing will stop an intruder in their tracks like the sound of a shell being jacked into a pump shotgun.
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Originally posted by Conan71
Nothing will stop an intruder in their tracks like the sound of a shell being jacked into a pump shotgun.
Except the shell itself...
/internet tough guy
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Originally posted by cannon_fodder
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Originally posted by Conan71
Nothing will stop an intruder in their tracks like the sound of a shell being jacked into a pump shotgun.
Except the shell itself...
/internet tough guy
"Step aside Butch"
(http://www.gonemovies.com/WWW/WanadooFilms/Misdaad/PulpMarselluButch.jpg)
Yeah, I know not the right image, couldn't find the one I was looking for.