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Title: QT Expansion 21st and Harvard
Post by: Robinson on April 11, 2008, 09:36:54 PM
Does anyone know what is happening with this? Heard they were expanding to 16 pumps, ripping out residences to force fit a south Tulsa plaza at this location.
Title: QT Expansion 21st and Harvard
Post by: cannon_fodder on April 11, 2008, 10:00:33 PM
Damnit, NO!  I have no idea what's going on with it, but put in another QT at 31st and Louisville ( empty lot) instead of tearing out cool bits of midtown.
Title: QT Expansion 21st and Harvard
Post by: patric on April 11, 2008, 10:17:26 PM
The original thread under the "Development" category is located at
http://www.tulsanow.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=6838
Title: QT Expansion 21st and Harvard
Post by: OurTulsa on April 11, 2008, 11:49:09 PM
Yep Yep, I was able to see the plans they submitted to the TMAPC for a PUD (don't know what agenda it will be on).  Forget about any urban scale on that corner.  The proposed QT at that corner will completely blow it up.   16 pumps and land lots of land.
Title: QT Expansion 21st and Harvard
Post by: buzz words on April 11, 2008, 11:51:15 PM
Whatever happened to them doing the carwash like in GlennPool?
Title: QT Expansion 21st and Harvard
Post by: YoungTulsan on April 12, 2008, 02:17:12 AM
quote:
Originally posted by buzz words

Whatever happened to them doing the carwash like in GlennPool?



Do not click on this spammer's spam.  This links to nothing about QuikTrip at that location.  It is the same link he posted in the "do me a favor" thread.  Go away.  We don't want you here.
Title: QT Expansion 21st and Harvard
Post by: inteller on April 12, 2008, 03:45:57 PM
wow, so much for Local Hero QT.  SOunds like they are just out to slap their name on a few buildings and then go rape the town for all its worth.

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Title: QT Expansion 21st and Harvard
Post by: sgrizzle on April 12, 2008, 06:45:27 PM
As mentioned in the other thread, this may be the last remaining old-style QT. They need to expand or close.
Title: QT Expansion 21st and Harvard
Post by: cannon_fodder on April 12, 2008, 10:39:32 PM
quote:
Originally posted by sgrizzle

As mentioned in the other thread, this may be the last remaining old-style QT. They need to expand or close.



????

Why?

They have TONS of business and have to pull in nearly as much money as any other store with a smaller lot.  Actually, they have as much parking as as many pumps at that location as they do on Harvard.  "have to" is simply not true.  You'd "have to" be mental to close down a business that is constantly turning over customers.

Build another one in the region on an EMPTY lot instead of turning structures in Tulsa into a lot.  It's a business, I wouldn't tell them what to do even if I could - but wipe out those buildings down 21st and that corner is as bland as can be.  Some part of town has to remain cramped and eclectic, instead of open parking lots and sterile.
Title: QT Expansion 21st and Harvard
Post by: sgrizzle on April 13, 2008, 02:40:34 PM
So they should make substandard profit and keep a whole other set of equipment, displays and signage to keep from tearing down three houses?
Title: QT Expansion 21st and Harvard
Post by: AngieB on April 13, 2008, 03:01:23 PM
quote:
Originally posted by sgrizzle

As mentioned in the other thread, this may be the last remaining old-style QT. They need to expand or close.


51st & Union is old too.
Title: QT Expansion 21st and Harvard
Post by: cannon_fodder on April 14, 2008, 08:44:27 AM
quote:
Originally posted by sgrizzle

They need to expand or close.
. . .



So they should make substandard profit and keep a whole other set of equipment, displays and signage to keep from tearing down three houses?



Those are two different arguments.  They do not NEED to expand or close as they are operating at a profit as is.  They WANT to expand to make more profit, which I explicitly said I would not prohibit even if I had that power.

But that doesn't mean I don't want

1) to protect some unique parts of Tulsa

2) to stop more structures from being turned into concrete lots

and 3) A QT closer to my house occupying an otherwise empty lot.

Again, they should do whatever is in their business interest - but that often includes pandering to the public.  This part of the public (me) would like an alternative route to be taken (which may end up being equally or more profitable).  Nothing more.
Title: QT Expansion 21st and Harvard
Post by: TUalum0982 on April 14, 2008, 11:53:49 AM
quote:
Originally posted by TulsaMINI

quote:
Originally posted by sgrizzle

As mentioned in the other thread, this may be the last remaining old-style QT. They need to expand or close.


51st & Union is old too.



as is 51st and Mingo, A pain in the butt trying to get in and out.
Title: QT Expansion 21st and Harvard
Post by: buckeye on April 14, 2008, 03:55:30 PM
Unique midtown charm?  You mean the Lassiter photography building?  Good grief...that place always left me with an unsettled feeling.  Then I went in for passport photos and from the inside, it looks like a place that does secret kiddy-porn shoots back in the dark corners.  Pretty gnarly...

That building's looked neglected and shabby at least since I've lived here (seven years).

The station itself is often swarmed with people.  When it's busy, good luck turning in safely then finding space in the lot to maneuver to the pumps.  The traffic flow / ingress / egress needs work, I hope they have decent engineers working on it.  That's the real concern, along with the lighting issues already discussed and reasonably polite neighborhood integration.
Title: QT Expansion 21st and Harvard
Post by: breitee on April 14, 2008, 04:12:21 PM
Why doesn't QT relocate to the opposite corner where May's and Warehouse Market used to be? The building is a pit anyway and they could probably take the old Long John Silvers building as well. Seems like there is more room to spread out on that corner.
Title: QT Expansion 21st and Harvard
Post by: tulsa1603 on April 14, 2008, 04:49:02 PM
quote:
Originally posted by breitee

Why doesn't QT relocate to the opposite corner where May's and Warehouse Market used to be? The building is a pit anyway and they could probably take the old Long John Silvers building as well. Seems like there is more room to spread out on that corner.



This was brought up as an idea at Florence Park HOA, but we were told that the owner of the May's building has no interest in selling.
Title: QT Expansion 21st and Harvard
Post by: godboko71 on April 14, 2008, 05:50:29 PM
quote:
Originally posted by tulsa1603
This was brought up as an idea at Florence Park HOA, but we were told that the owner of the May's building has no interest in selling.



Sadly that is true, with the owner would sell the building. No idea why they are "holding" it.
Title: QT Expansion 21st and Harvard
Post by: cannon_fodder on April 15, 2008, 08:03:48 AM
La Fortune filed for a permit not long ago to turn that building into mixed office/retail.

And the Long John Silvers building has been a successful Mexican restaurant for many years - best in town IMHO.
Title: QT Expansion 21st and Harvard
Post by: sgrizzle on April 15, 2008, 08:28:47 AM
quote:
Originally posted by TUalum0982

quote:
Originally posted by TulsaMINI

quote:
Originally posted by sgrizzle

As mentioned in the other thread, this may be the last remaining old-style QT. They need to expand or close.


51st & Union is old too.



as is 51st and Mingo, A pain in the butt trying to get in and out.



51st and Mingo is new style, just old pumps. I'm still thinking 21st & Harvard is the only one with the 90's interior left.
Title: QT Expansion 21st and Harvard
Post by: joiei on April 15, 2008, 03:03:25 PM
I just drove by the location.  2 of the houses that would be removed are boxy duplexes that hold little charm.  Plus they are pretty run down.  I don't think the neighborhood would miss them too much.  It looks like some of the homeowners on that block need to spend some time and/or money on fixing up their yards, just my opinion. Not the best block in that neighborhood.
Title: QT Expansion 21st and Harvard
Post by: cannon_fodder on April 15, 2008, 03:27:05 PM
Yeah, everyone in that neighborhood is a deadbeat.

Conan.  ::nudge nudge::  [}:)]
Title: QT Expansion 21st and Harvard
Post by: TUalum0982 on April 15, 2008, 04:13:53 PM
quote:
Originally posted by sgrizzle

quote:
Originally posted by TUalum0982

quote:
Originally posted by TulsaMINI

quote:
Originally posted by sgrizzle

As mentioned in the other thread, this may be the last remaining old-style QT. They need to expand or close.


51st & Union is old too.



as is 51st and Mingo, A pain in the butt trying to get in and out.



51st and Mingo is new style, just old pumps. I'm still thinking 21st & Harvard is the only one with the 90's interior left.



yeah glenpool was that way too until a few weeks ago when they opened their new store.  It was odd going to the right to get a fountain drink.