By NEDRA PICKLER, Associated Press Writer 1 hour, 7 minutes ago
WASHINGTON - Democratic Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton said she would defend gay rights as president and eliminate disparities for same-sex couples in federal law, including immigration and tax policy.
Clinton said states such as New Jersey and Massachusetts are extending rights to gay couples "and the federal government should recognize that and should extend the same access to federal benefits across the board. I will very much work to achieve that."
Clinton's comments came in an interview with the Philadelphia Gay News that was posted on its Web site Thursday.
Clinton said she and her husband have many gay friends that they socialize with when they get the chance. "I've got friends, literally, around the country that I'm close to. It's part of my life," she said.
She said that when they ask her why they can't get married, she tells them marriage is a state law. She said that fact helped defeat a constitutional amendment to prohibit same-sex weddings that she said would "enshrine discrimination in the Constitution."
"States are really beginning seriously to deal with the whole range of options, including marriage, both under their own state constitutions and under the legislative approach," she said. "I anticipate that there will be a very concerted amount of effort in the next couple of years that will move this important issue forward and different states will take different approaches as they did with marriage over many years and you will see an evolution over time."
Clinton said she opposes a measure that would ban gay marriage in Pennsylvania.
"I would be very distressed if Pennsylvania were to adopt that kind of mean-spirited referendum and I hope it won't happen," she said.
Clinton's Democratic rival Barack Obama and Republican John McCain declined the newspaper's invitation for an interview. The paper criticized Obama and highlighted his refusal to talk by leaving a blank space on the front page where his interview would have appeared.
Clinton also said she would:
• Eliminate her husband's policy of "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" that prevents gays from serving openly in the military. Asked if she could do so by a signing order connected to a military appropriations bill, Clinton said she didn't think that is possible but she would look into it and do it if it were legal.
• Be "very strongly outspoken" against foreign governments that execute gays and use financial assistance and other leverage to prevent the killings.
• Support federal domestic partner legislation to extend rights to all same-sex couples.
• Support services for gay youth, including guidance for schools about the discrimination they face.
• Continue to support gay pride celebrations, to the extent that security would allow. "I don't think the Secret Service let Bill walk in a parade when he became president," she said.
"'It's part of my life,' she said."
I knew it! I knew it all along! Bill is nothing but arm candy!!!
She's lying again:
"• Eliminate her husband's policy of "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" that prevents gays from serving openly in the military. Asked if she could do so by a signing order connected to a military appropriations bill, Clinton said she didn't think that is possible but she would look into it and do it if it were legal."
Yep. Billary's TOAST.
Thanks for the info. Does make me lean towards her a bit more. I wonder what Obamas stance on these issues are?
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Thanks for the info. Does make me lean towards her a bit more. I wonder what Obamas stance on these issues are?
Bama man WISELY avoided the questions. Hell, wouldn't you? No-win question for everyone concerned.
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Thanks for the info. Does make me lean towards her a bit more. I wonder what Obamas stance on these issues are?
The primary already happened in Oklahoma or do you vote in two states like Da Mare?
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Thanks for the info. Does make me lean towards her a bit more. I wonder what Obamas stance on these issues are?
The primary already happened in Oklahoma or do you vote in two states like Da Mare?
No but we can still root for one or the other lol. And I haven't donated to any campaign yet this year either.
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...Da Mare?
Who?
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Originally posted by Double A
...Da Mare?
Who?
TURobY, AA thinks it's cool to hate on Mayor Taylor. There's bigger fish to fry, but whatever.
As for Obama, Artist, he's not as liberal as Hillary, but he's still a liberal. He supports gay rights (//%22http://lesbianlife.about.com/od/lesbianactivism/p/BarackObama.htm%22) and all that jazz, it's 2007 after all. Mr. Credibility (//%22http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVeFVtcdSYY%22) here claims his support goes a little further than that. Kinda funny in a sad way.
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Originally posted by TURobY
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Originally posted by Double A
...Da Mare?
Who?
TURobY, AA thinks it's cool to hate on Mayor Taylor. There's bigger fish to fry, but whatever.
Oh, I know. I just like to be facetious.
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QuoteOh, I know. I just like to be facetious.
Roger that.
I have mixed feelings on the "don't ask don't tell" policy. I have some understanding of the military and how very close one must be at all times to your fellow soldiers. I could see the problems an openly gay man could have/cause in a unit (think toilets 2' apart facing each other with no stalls, we're talking close living).
Tough situation. Would a female barracks welcome a man into their shower? Not analogous of course, but it hints at the problems. And that's pretending no one in the barracks has a defacto problem with gays.
THEN again, the same argument was raised with integration to some extent. Though the argument that a black man was any different than a white man was fictitious, and there could be some merit to the notion of a gay man enjoying his trip to the showers (I would in a female barrack so...). Argh.
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As for Obama, Artist, he's not as liberal as Hillary, but he's still a liberal.
He is more liberal than Hillary. That is one of the good things about him.
http://nj.nationaljournal.com/voteratings/
Bill's 1992 campaign promises to the gay community pretty much turned into lip service.
Honestly, I wasn't trying to write a pun...
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I have mixed feelings on the "don't ask don't tell" policy. I have some understanding of the military and how very close one must be at all times to your fellow soldiers. I could see the problems an openly gay man could have/cause in a unit (think toilets 2' apart facing each other with no stalls, we're talking close living).
Tough situation. Would a female barracks welcome a man into their shower? Not analogous of course, but it hints at the problems. And that's pretending no one in the barracks has a defacto problem with gays.
THEN again, the same argument was raised with integration to some extent. Though the argument that a black man was any different than a white man was fictitious, and there could be some merit to the notion of a gay man enjoying his trip to the showers (I would in a female barrack so...). Argh.
It is and it isn't like integration. Black men and women are obviously black, and there has to be a distinct moment of integration. "Yes, come serve with me, Person Who Is Visibly Different Than Me!" With gay folk, they can already have been serving with distinction and simply be keeping their orientation secret.
But it is like integration in that at some point the personal prejudices of each soldier -- whether they do or do not like gays -- should cease to matter. IMO, that's why Clinton gets failing marks for DADT . . . he allowed a vocal and bigotted minority to control a policy that, as Commander in Chief, he had every right to insist on.
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THEN again, the same argument was raised with integration to some extent. Though the argument that a black man was any different than a white man was fictitious, and there could be some merit to the notion of a gay man enjoying his trip to the showers (I would in a female barrack so...). Argh.
Well, if EVERYONE would just simply get NEKKID, the facination would NOT exist. You probably just need a REAL date. The act of banishment bestows power to the object of the banishment.
Paul, I'm glad many people cover up. There are plenty of people who I would encourage to get nekkid, but dear lord not everyone. On the larger stage, I'm glad there is some level of modesty so strip scantily glad women are still fun to watch...
And on a personal note, I haven't had a real date for over a decade. My wife would be pissed.
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And on a personal note, I haven't had a real date for over a decade. My wife would be pissed.
EXACTLY my point. And, how did I know this little morsel? [:P]
It could be that I talk about my wife and my son from time to time. Or that you have actually been to my house before and met my wife and I (petition signing, doubt you recall). Or that your superior sense of perception picked up on other subtle hints.
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Paul, I'm glad many people cover up.
A husband walks into Victoria's Secret to purchase a sheer negligee for his wife. He is shown several possibilities that range from $250 to $500 in price, the more sheer, the higher the price. Naturally, he opts for the sheerest item pays the $500 and takes it home.
He presents it to his wife and asks her to go upstairs, put it on, and model it for him.
Upstairs, the wife thinks, 'I have an idea. It's so sheer that it might as well be nothing. I won't put it on, but I'll do the modeling naked, return it tomorrow, and keep the $500 refund for myself.'
So she appears naked on the balcony and strikes a pose.
The husband says, 'Good Grief! You'd think for $500, they'd at least iron it!'
He never heard the shot.
Funeral on Friday at Noon.
RM, thanks for the chuckles. Your random posts do not go unnoticed.
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Paul, I'm glad many people cover up.
A husband walks into Victoria's Secret to purchase a sheer negligee for his wife. He is shown several possibilities that range from $250 to $500 in price, the more sheer, the higher the price. Naturally, he opts for the sheerest item pays the $500 and takes it home.
He presents it to his wife and asks her to go upstairs, put it on, and model it for him.
Upstairs, the wife thinks, 'I have an idea. It's so sheer that it might as well be nothing. I won't put it on, but I'll do the modeling naked, return it tomorrow, and keep the $500 refund for myself.'
So she appears naked on the balcony and strikes a pose.
The husband says, 'Good Grief! You'd think for $500, they'd at least iron it!'
He never heard the shot.
Funeral on Friday at Noon.
Is there a place that I can purchase a compendium of these jokes? I'm in the sales business, after all, and both short- and long-form jokes about negligee are, frankly, like money in the bank.
Hell, I'd pony up for a list of your punchlines if you had 'em. Gems like "You'd think for $500 at least they'd iron it!" is comedy gold. That's my quarterly bonus RIGHT THERE.
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Originally posted by cannon_fodder
Paul, I'm glad many people cover up.
A husband walks into Victoria's Secret to purchase a sheer negligee for his wife. He is shown several possibilities that range from $250 to $500 in price, the more sheer, the higher the price. Naturally, he opts for the sheerest item pays the $500 and takes it home.
He presents it to his wife and asks her to go upstairs, put it on, and model it for him.
Upstairs, the wife thinks, 'I have an idea. It's so sheer that it might as well be nothing. I won't put it on, but I'll do the modeling naked, return it tomorrow, and keep the $500 refund for myself.'
So she appears naked on the balcony and strikes a pose.
The husband says, 'Good Grief! You'd think for $500, they'd at least iron it!'
He never heard the shot.
Funeral on Friday at Noon.
Is there a place that I can purchase a compendium of these jokes? I'm in the sales business, after all, and both short- and long-form jokes about negligee are, frankly, like money in the bank.
Hell, I'd pony up for a list of your punchlines if you had 'em. Gems like "You'd think for $500 at least they'd iron it!" is comedy gold. That's my quarterly bonus RIGHT THERE.
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She's lying again:
MY thoughts exactly, the same woman whose husband defined marriage as a union between one man and one woman and instituted the don't ask don't tell policy for the military.
I don't understand the punchline. Reading from the long drawn out set-up, would anyone really care if Eliott Spitzer got busted having wild and crazy sex with his wife?
I am not altogether sure Eliott Spitzer having sex with a prostitute makes interesting copy. But, if he got busted with a shovel in his hand in Central Park burying a dead body six-foot under a newly planted sycamore, that would be somewhat interesting. Maybe just a notch above the Board of Adjustment variance hearing on the Asian massage parlor planning to locate next to Boston Ave. Methodist.
I think I definitely NEED tree rehab.
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Originally posted by cannon_fodder
I have mixed feelings on the "don't ask don't tell" policy. I have some understanding of the military and how very close one must be at all times to your fellow soldiers. I could see the problems an openly gay man could have/cause in a unit (think toilets 2' apart facing each other with no stalls, we're talking close living).
Tough situation. Would a female barracks welcome a man into their shower? Not analogous of course, but it hints at the problems. And that's pretending no one in the barracks has a defacto problem with gays.
THEN again, the same argument was raised with integration to some extent. Though the argument that a black man was any different than a white man was fictitious, and there could be some merit to the notion of a gay man enjoying his trip to the showers (I would in a female barrack so...). Argh.
I dont know what army barracks you have been in, but the ones I was in had doors on the stalls lol. When I first enlisted we were reopening a base that had been previously closed. We had to stay in old WWII Army Barracks. But even those had stalls just like everywhere. Same with bootcamp. The new Barracks that were built were nicer than many apartments. And when your gay your quite practiced at not seeing every guy as some sort of "sex object". Most arent neeearely as attractive as they think they are, gay and straight, "ask a woman about that". Then your used to "showering" with other guys from gym in school all your life or just going to the gym as an adult and using the "mens room". Its not a big deal. Think of it like meeting some really hot chick then being told its your long lost sister. Plus it obviously doesn't do any good for a gay guy to be attracted to someone who is not gay as well. What would be the point? Likely to get the crap beat out of ya at best, you just dont ever go there, plain and simple.
I remember in basic training this one guy in my squad had a problem with blacks. Yes its hard to imagine in this day and age that there are people like that but apparently there are. Plus its not like he couldnt have realized he was going to have to work with them, a good proportion of the people in the army are black. But anyway, he didnt want to work with some of the black guys, yelled and called them names, the drill sargeants, 2 of whome were black, laid into him. Guess who his new "buddy" was? A black guy of course. Your buddy is the one you rely on to make it through things. You either get along really really well, or you both suffer big time. " for instance, KP is the closest thing to living hell that I have run accross lol, though I didnt have to do it because I got in trouble, everyone had at least 1 turn, just so you know lol" I watched as that guy pretty quickly took on a whole different attitude "though not without some good fights". A lifetime of prejudice appeared to be smacked down as he had to unavoidably learn, face to face, that his prejudices were flat wrong and in the end they became good friends.