It appears that there is going to be some shake up at Tulsa's City Hall. City Council elections were held today, April 01, 2008.
In District 3, it looks like David Patrick (I) will beat Roscoe Turner (D)
In District 4, it looks like Eric Gomez (R) will beat Maria Barnes (D)
In District 6, Dennis Troyer (D) will beat Kevin Boggs (R) to keep his seat
In District 8, Bill Christiansen (R) will beat Austin Hansen (D) to keep his seat.
In District 9, G.T. Bynum (R) will beat Philip Kates (D) and Paul Tay (I)
With the shake up in North Tulsa, how will that part of the community be affected? It will be interesting to see how Jack Henderson reacts to losing Roscoe.
Eric Gomez has a tough district. He will oversee the next movement Downtown and the opening of the Arena as well as some older areas of Tulsa.
All in all, the big issue for the upcoming years will be STREETS!
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Originally posted by Composer
In District 9, G.T. Bynum (R) will beat Philip Kates (D) and Paul Tay (I) to keep his seat.
I dont think any of the above are currently in a council seat, unless their's some weird connotation youre applying to the inflatable wiener-bicycle-guy.
I did not mean to put that...thanks!
I'm actually pretty surprised and will miss Roscoe's attitude.
Roscoe and Maria both lose...I blame Obama.
He is the one who keeps talking about change.
I was honestly surprised to see Maria lose, but I felt that she didn't advertise herself as much as Gomez did (after all, I saw his signs all over the ROW). But regardless, it will be interesting to see the next couple of years. I live in Renaissance, and I'm curious to see if our neighborhood president can actually get something done.
I will miss Roscoe's comments from time to time. Hopefully he will stay involved.
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Originally posted by RecycleMichael
Roscoe and Maria both lose...I blame Obama.
He is the one who keeps talking about change.
The local ruling power establishment had a happy vote count this evening. Champagne corks a-poppin at Southern Hills C.C.
They finally eliminated one of the remaining leaders to the No Kaiser River Tax, and former Gang of 4.5 Reform Councilor Roscoe Turner. Clever move running Patrick as an INDEPENDENT after all those six previous races as a Democrat.
Replaced a neighborhood activist Maria Barnes with Gomez, who has probably been co-opted by the local ruling power establishment. Follow the money after the final Contributions and Expenditures Report is filed to be certain....
And, one of the LaFortunate Ruling Oligarch family branches, Mr. Bynum, gets huge financing to buy a city council seat.
Reliable Rubber-Stamp Councilors Christiansen and Troyer get re-elected.
Overall, a good day for the rulers of the Banana Republic of Tulsa, and a bad day for the local peasantry.
Hang on to your wallets.....Chatty Kathy is coming back for that $0.04 cents that the voters approved for Boeing in Vision 2025.
[B)]
Personally, I think the PreserveMidtown/Conservation District thing is what did Maria in...
There were a lot of signs out there for sure, but there were even more people who were silent about it that were opposed to it. It definitely cost her the race.
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Originally posted by Kenosha
Personally, I think the PreserveMidtown/Conservation District thing is what did Maria in...
There were a lot of signs out there for sure, but there were even more people who were silent about it that were opposed to it. It definitely cost her the race.
I think it was the extremists on that issue that did her in. I thought she seemed to want to follow a moderate approach realizing that there were people who had issues with moratoriums and such. But people demonized her on this issue and others, wanting her to follow their line without any compromise. They were the loudest and probably thought they were the majority. But they werent. I would go to meetings and have talked with some of them but they never seemed to listen to moderation and any sort of compromise, they were always so extreme in their views. Rather than getting a little, they wanted it all their way. Now they are likely to get just the opposite. They and others were "biting the hand that was trying to help them" and by doing so gave that "hand" a bad reputation. Now a lot of people probably regret having demonized her so much. But ya know what, I have a feeling they are still going to be just as radical in their demands and not caring to reach out in a kind way to help others learn. They "foam at the mouth" on the issue so can't talk reasonably to reasonable people and actually push more away. Also, if I remember correctly, Bates seemed to really bash the dickens out of her on different occasions. Then when this election came up he started singing a different tune, but too late, her rep was already torn.
is there a site that lists the campaign contributions? I need to see who was behind gomez.
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Originally posted by Kenosha
Personally, I think the PreserveMidtown/Conservation District thing is what did Maria in...
There were a lot of signs out there for sure, but there were even more people who were silent about it that were opposed to it. It definitely cost her the race.
Maybe. I am sure that the misinformation and hysteria that got flung around didn't help. At the same time, she did well in neighborhoods like Florence park that might be interested in conservation districts. She did poorly out east, which is where the river tax did poorly, as well. There were other controversial issues as well, such as her support of the move to the Tech center and her opposition to police checking immigration status.
The issue of infill isn't going away. It's happening all over the country, not just here. Tulsa will have to face this issue, and find some middle ground some day.
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Originally posted by inteller
is there a site that lists the campaign contributions? I need to see who was behind gomez.
Maybe just himself? I dunno.. he was in real estate, all kinds of other businesses. We actually knew him through my wife's old soccer team.
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Originally posted by inteller
is there a site that lists the campaign contributions? I need to see who was behind gomez.
For someone who lives out south in suburbia bliss and dashes in and out of downtown before the zombies can attack you, you seem to have a lot of interest in midtown development. What gives?
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Originally posted by Kenosha
Personally, I think the PreserveMidtown/Conservation District thing is what did Maria in...
There were a lot of signs out there for sure, but there were even more people who were silent about it that were opposed to it. It definitely cost her the race.
Probably so. I support the idea of NCD, so I voted for Barnes. It will be interesting to see how Gomez votes on such neighborhood preservation issues, since his personal job is in the construction/remodelling field. I can see some potential conflict of interest there, but I will reserve any personal opinions util we see what his actions are.
District 4 had the highest voter turnout of all Tulsa districts, with only 2,800 votes cast! That is absolutely pathetic. Well, at least I did my part. I haven't missed a vote of any kind in 15 years.
from what i have read Gomez isn't a big fan of NCD's
What is sad -- and there's really nothing to change it - are when folks become single issue fanatics and simply cannot grasp the concept that more is at stake. This is District 4's loss - big big loss. How Gomez who didn't bother to answer any tough questions, who disregarded any survey's sent to him, who couldn't file his contribution reports on time, who behaves in an arrogant and condescending fashion can get elected - is beyond me. Then again it is so much easier to listen to the ill-informed rants than to dig for yourself. The rhetoric that traveled from nasty emails into reader forum editorials, to the World's endosement was and is easily traceable.
The nasties think they have a safe, un-infillable neighborhood. Snouts wouldn't look good next door -
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Originally posted by hoodlum
from what i have read Gomez isn't a big fan of NCD's
This is actually a silver lining. Teardown CD4/9 will get so bad, there might actually be a REAL revolt, instead of lame lip-service. Just gotta wait it out long enough.
OK tulsasignnazi...
I was impressed that I didn't see any of your signs in the right-of-way.
But how did you get 58 people to vote for you? Can you name them?
I wonder if Roscoe realized that his Broken Arrow and Jenks voter friends who killed the River Development couldn't save him in the city council election.
I think Roscoe can trace his demise to this:
http://www.urbantulsa.com/gyrobase/Content?oid=oid%3A18628
Irony alert: Urban Tulsa was one of Roscoe's biggest supporters.
The story was poison to him. A growing chorus of critics said Roscoe was becoming an old crank who complained nonstop and didn't look for solutions. The story offered proof.
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Originally posted by izmophonik
I wonder if Roscoe realized that his Broken Arrow and Jenks voter friends who killed the River Development couldn't save him in the city council election.
Had nothing to do with it unless you believe that Patrick was backed by the "oligarchy".
Patrick has been close in the Dem primaries when he's gone against Roscoe in the past. He finally avoided that by running as an Ind.
I'll miss Roscoe's character on the council, and I consider him a friend, but I think it really is time for him to move on.
Everyone knows the "ruling oligarchy" is behind everything that happens in Tulsa. You know, since it, uh, exists, and all . . . [}:)]
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Originally posted by Conan71
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Originally posted by inteller
is there a site that lists the campaign contributions? I need to see who was behind gomez.
For someone who lives out south in suburbia bliss and dashes in and out of downtown before the zombies can attack you, you seem to have a lot of interest in midtown development. What gives?
he sits on a council now that votes on issues all over town...I want to know what side he is on and who is backing him so I know how he'll vote.
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Originally posted by Floyd
Everyone knows the "ruling oligarchy" is behind everything that happens in Tulsa. You know, since it, uh, exists, and all . . . [}:)]
Oh yeah, and they meet at that place up in Colorado with Colonel Sanders, the Easter Bunny, and there's lots of black Tahoe's and helicopters, right? How close am I CF?
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Originally posted by inteller
Is there a site that lists the campaign contributions? I need to see who was behind gomez.
He sits on a council now that votes on issues all over town...I want to know what side he is on and who is backing him so I know how he'll vote.
Here is all the Tulsa World has printed on the subject so far...
http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?articleID=20080326_1_A15_hThef48120
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Originally posted by Conan71
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Originally posted by Floyd
Everyone knows the "ruling oligarchy" is behind everything that happens in Tulsa. You know, since it, uh, exists, and all . . . [}:)]
Oh yeah, and they meet at that place up in Colorado with Colonel Sanders, the Easter Bunny, and there's lots of black Tahoe's and helicopters, right? How close am I CF?
You mean, "the Meadows?"
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Originally posted by RecycleMichael
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Originally posted by inteller
Is there a site that lists the campaign contributions? I need to see who was behind gomez.
He sits on a council now that votes on issues all over town...I want to know what side he is on and who is backing him so I know how he'll vote.
Here is all the Tulsa World has printed on the subject so far...
http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?articleID=20080326_1_A15_hThef48120
yeah I've read that. Pretty useless. I'm looking for specific names.
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Originally posted by pmcalk
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Originally posted by Kenosha
Personally, I think the PreserveMidtown/Conservation District thing is what did Maria in...
There were a lot of signs out there for sure, but there were even more people who were silent about it that were opposed to it. It definitely cost her the race.
Maybe. I am sure that the misinformation and hysteria that got flung around didn't help. At the same time, she did well in neighborhoods like Florence park that might be interested in conservation districts. She did poorly out east, which is where the river tax did poorly, as well. There were other controversial issues as well, such as her support of the move to the Tech center and her opposition to police checking immigration status.
The issue of infill isn't going away. It's happening all over the country, not just here. Tulsa will have to face this issue, and find some middle ground some day.
What you and artist are saying is exactly right. I think the "extremists" were viewed, and perhaps rightfully so as being unwilling to compromise. I am sure that most people see the benefit of "preserving" what makes Midtown a great place to live, but the rhetoric scared them into feeling the need to "preserve" thier property rights.
Two things...Opinions about style and taste aside, I really believe that nobody wants to "destroy" midtown. So, surely a compromise can be had. Maybe it isn't what was proposed, but it could be something.
Second, what developers want more than anything is predictability. Give them rules that are black and white, and they will follow them (notwithstanding a few bad apples). The scary part about investing in real estate are the uncertainties of the market, etc. Throw arbitrary decisions on what one can or cannot do to a piece of property on top of that, and that is what inhibits investment, which, like it or not, many Midtown neighborhoods need.
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Originally posted by rwarn17588
I think Roscoe can trace his demise to this:
http://www.urbantulsa.com/gyrobase/Content?oid=oid%3A18628
Irony alert: Urban Tulsa was one of Roscoe's biggest supporters.
The story was poison to him. A growing chorus of critics said Roscoe was becoming an old crank who complained nonstop and didn't look for solutions. The story offered proof.
With the low turn out, I do not think there were many UT readers voting in District 3 .
I put most blame on these last two administrations and how district 3 is crumbling even more(along with all parts).
His biggest problem was aligning himself too much with N Tulsa problems. Alot of D3 do not consider themselves north and could care less about a grocery store at P&C. He lost touch with those east of Harvard (IMO) .
I want to immediately take back something I said without thinking earlier about "Bates bashing Maria". I was confusing issues and even was thinking of something he had perhaps said in the context of the river vote and Randi Miller "bashing was a bad choice of words in any case". I was picturing one person and thinking of another, saying Maria but thinking Randi and jumbling up the issues. I know, not good, I need to keep better track of who says what etc. I was not happy Maria lost and just spouted off some things in the moment. My apologies to Mr Bates. I should not have said that.
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Originally posted by tulsasignnazi
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Originally posted by hoodlum
from what i have read Gomez isn't a big fan of NCD's
This is actually a silver lining. Teardown CD4/9 will get so bad, there might actually be a REAL revolt, instead of lame lip-service. Just gotta wait it out long enough.
I think you are right-on there. The problem is small and isolated now, but over time will get much worse.
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Originally posted by Steve
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Originally posted by tulsasignnazi
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Originally posted by hoodlum
from what i have read Gomez isn't a big fan of NCD's
This is actually a silver lining. Teardown CD4/9 will get so bad, there might actually be a REAL revolt, instead of lame lip-service. Just gotta wait it out long enough.
I think you are right-on there. The problem is small and isolated now, but over time will get much worse.
The momentum behind Preserve Midtown happened because it was in the founders back yard. Many people, who also were having McMansions built in their back yard found a sympathetic ear, the only sympathetic ear to the variety of issues created by the infill.
As is so often the case - not until it is staring you in the face - will people do anything. Not until it is right next door, or behind or in front of them.
The people who were so negative in their opposition were amazingly enough: realtors, developers, wanting to build a McMansion or feel they have nothing to be concerned about in their own little bubble.
There were no interviews or pr of the mudslides, the chemical run offs, the flooding, the infrastructure cracks, etc.
So you are absolutely correct - if there is a silver lining - it is that it will get so much worse.
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Originally posted by LongtimeTulsan
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Originally posted by Steve
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Originally posted by tulsasignnazi
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Originally posted by hoodlum
from what i have read Gomez isn't a big fan of NCD's
This is actually a silver lining. Teardown CD4/9 will get so bad, there might actually be a REAL revolt, instead of lame lip-service. Just gotta wait it out long enough.
I think you are right-on there. The problem is small and isolated now, but over time will get much worse.
The momentum behind Preserve Midtown happened because it was in the founders back yard. Many people, who also were having McMansions built in their back yard found a sympathetic ear, the only sympathetic ear to the variety of issues created by the infill.
As is so often the case - not until it is staring you in the face - will people do anything. Not until it is right next door, or behind or in front of them.
The people who were so negative in their opposition were amazingly enough: realtors, developers, wanting to build a McMansion or feel they have nothing to be concerned about in their own little bubble.
There were no interviews or pr of the mudslides, the chemical run offs, the flooding, the infrastructure cracks, etc.
So you are absolutely correct - if there is a silver lining - it is that it will get so much worse.
Do Whuuuut?
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Originally posted by RecycleMichael
OK tulsasignnazi...
I was impressed that I didn't see any of your signs in the right-of-way.
But how did you get 58 people to vote for you?
SANTA.
Ok, did anyone advertise or campaign really? Yeah I saw a few signs, but not allot else.