That's what I hear.. let the rumor mill start spinning.
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Originally posted by sgrizzle
That's what I hear.. let the rumor mill start spinning.
My guess is "Need More Money."
But I hope it's actually a commitment from some sports team!
Interesting. Keep us updated! I'll bet that it's the Sonics are relocating to Tulsa rather than OkC.. :)
Bok is actually a Croation word meaning "Hi".
I think the arena is just saying hello.
[edit]Totally responded in the wrong thread/[/edit]
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Originally posted by RecycleMichael
Bok is actually a Croation word meaning "Hi".
I think the arena is just saying hello.
It happens to be a Turkish word, meaning sh*t.
Barely-educated, mostly-wild guess: Garth Brooks will open the arena.
He did it for KC's Sprint Center. I don't know why he wouldn't do it for his hometown. [fingers crossed]
I hope that Garth DOESN'T open the Arena. We already have a country act, and one that sells more tickets. Garth coming to Tulsa isn't news since he lives here and the fact that he opened the sprint center is yet another reason not to have him. Not to mention, that would put Garth playing the day before Kenny.
We need Rock. We need Clapton. Even Kim Jon Il agrees.
P.S. They are announcing the opening act in July.
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Originally posted by sgrizzle
I hope that Garth DOESN'T open the Arena. We already have a country act, and one that sells more tickets. Garth coming to Tulsa isn't news since he lives here and the fact that he opened the sprint center is yet another reason not to have him. Not to mention, that would put Garth playing the day before Kenny.
We need Rock. We need Clapton. Even Kim Jon Il agrees.
P.S. They are announcing the opening act in July.
Fair enough. But methinks you underestimate Garth's draw. If he were to actually un-retire and tour, there is little doubt he'd be the #1 concert draw in the country. Don't forget--he sold out five straight shows at Drillers Stadium back in 1997. The stadium was configured for 16,500 seats and so he drew over 82,000 in a span of five days. In Tulsa. And the fact that he's been retired so long means that any Tulsa show would be a national event.
I think Garth Brooks would be the biggest possible act the BOK Center could book.
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Originally posted by jne
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Originally posted by RecycleMichael
Bok is actually a Croation word meaning "Hi".
I think the arena is just saying hello.
It happens to be a Turkish word, meaning sh*t.
I'll never buy bok choi again.
Are there odds? I'd bet The Eagles....a little country a little rock a little roll.....
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Originally posted by FOTD
Are there odds? I'd bet The Eagles....a little country a little rock a little roll.....
Springsteen would be a good market cross-section.
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Originally posted by jne
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Originally posted by FOTD
Are there odds? I'd bet The Eagles....a little country a little rock a little roll.....
Springsteen would be a good market cross-section.
Oh gawd no, I would rather rot in heck than listen to that pitiful racket. [xx(] Is he still even alive?
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Originally posted by TheArtist
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Originally posted by jne
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Originally posted by FOTD
Are there odds? I'd bet The Eagles....a little country a little rock a little roll.....
Springsteen would be a good market cross-section.
Oh gawd no, I would rather rot in heck than listen to that pitiful racket. [xx(] Is he still even alive?
BLASPHEMY! BLASPHEMY!
Good lord man, have you no taste? Springsteen is transcendant. I prefer his songs to Dylan's.
Another vote NO for springsteen.
You people have no taste. None. [8D]
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Originally posted by Floyd
You people have no taste. None. [8D]
Can't...Get....Springsteen....Dancing....With....Courtney Cox...Out....Of....My....Mind...
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Originally posted by guido911
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Originally posted by Floyd
You people have no taste. None. [8D]
Can't...Get....Springsteen....Dancing....With....Courtney Cox...Out....Of....My....Mind...
mmmmmmmmmmm
Courtney Coxxxxxxxxx
Is this supposed to be THE announcement, the big dog, the grand poo-bah? Or another int he string?
I need to be told how properly excited I should be. I'm starting to look at BOk announcements like good news, but the kind that doesn't effect me (aka. Co-worker's sister had a baby... I'm happy for you, but really...). Thus far, I wouldn't pay 50% of the ticket price to see any of the groups announced (again, good acts to land, just not for me).
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Originally posted by cannon_fodder
Is this supposed to be THE announcement, the big dog, the grand poo-bah? Or another int he string?
I need to be told how properly excited I should be. I'm starting to look at BOk announcements like good news, but the kind that doesn't effect me (aka. Co-worker's sister had a baby... I'm happy for you, but really...). Thus far, I wouldn't pay 50% of the ticket price to see any of the groups announced (again, good acts to land, just not for me).
Big announcement isn't until July.
I'd rather listen to hours and hours of fingernails on a chalkboard than listen to Springsteen.
Springsteen:
haha, I've got to give him a little credit. Not my favorite, but I definitely don't hate it. These days he is performing traditional/old timey and bluegrass tunes along side some arena rock of course. He is one of the biggest ticket sellers in the country, but you guys can stick with Seline Dion if you like:)
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Originally posted by cannon_fodder
Is this supposed to be THE announcement, the big dog, the grand poo-bah? Or another int he string?
I need to be told how properly excited I should be. I'm starting to look at BOk announcements like good news, but the kind that doesn't effect me (aka. Co-worker's sister had a baby... I'm happy for you, but really...). Thus far, I wouldn't pay 50% of the ticket price to see any of the groups announced (again, good acts to land, just not for me).
I hear ya. I think what I'm concerned with is that every act booked, regardless of its artistic merits, is likely to sell out the arena. As long as these announcements continue along that vein, it shouldn't matter if it's N Sync's reunion tour--anything that shows that this building will be filled on a regular basis is important both to keep momentum from the opening downtown as well as for the long term financial health of a public venture.
And Springsteen still rules. Forget his work from the 1980s (even though I like that too). Go back to 1975, and if "Thunder Road" doesn't give you chills . . . I can't help you. Further, go forward to 2002--
The Rising is still, to me, the most moving artistic statement on 9-11. Dude's a legend.
Springsteen SUCKS! Talk about a HAS BEEN!
i'd be interested in seeing Chris Gaines opening the arena.
I'm not so sure about that Garth Brooks character.
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Originally posted by breitee
Springsteen SUCKS! Talk about a HAS BEEN!
perfect opening act for Tulsa then.
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Originally posted by Floyd
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Originally posted by sgrizzle
I hope that Garth DOESN'T open the Arena. We already have a country act, and one that sells more tickets. Garth coming to Tulsa isn't news since he lives here and the fact that he opened the sprint center is yet another reason not to have him. Not to mention, that would put Garth playing the day before Kenny.
We need Rock. We need Clapton. Even Kim Jon Il agrees.
P.S. They are announcing the opening act in July.
Fair enough. But methinks you underestimate Garth's draw. If he were to actually un-retire and tour, there is little doubt he'd be the #1 concert draw in the country. Don't forget--he sold out five straight shows at Drillers Stadium back in 1997. The stadium was configured for 16,500 seats and so he drew over 82,000 in a span of five days. In Tulsa. And the fact that he's been retired so long means that any Tulsa show would be a national event.
I think Garth Brooks would be the biggest possible act the BOK Center could book.
I think the reason to not book Garth is the fact that he has played at Drillers Stadium all those times. Garth Brooks at the BOk Center doesn't provide a "wow" factor. For $183 million, it would be nice to open the arena with someone who would normally never come to Tulsa. The arena is supposed to represent this "new kind of energy" in Tulsa, especially downtown. The opening act should represent the same thing.
I don't think Chris Gaines has ever been to Tulsa.
10am is when they are announcing whatever "it" is...
Rascal Flatts Coming to BOK Center
The country trio's show will be at 7:30 p.m. Sept. 25.
Tickets go on sale at 10 a.m. April 12 and will cost $49.50 and $69.50.
BLAH!
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Originally posted by Composer
Rascal Flatts Coming to BOK Center
The country trio's show will be at 7:30 p.m. Sept. 25.
Tickets go on sale at 10 a.m. April 12 and will cost $49.50 and $69.50.
BLAH!
the acts for this arena are really ****ty. Celine Dion and now this? Give me a break. When they get someone for real like Clapton let me know.
I thought they held CountryFest or whateverthe**** out in Pryor.
I hope this is the last Country group coming besides Garth, who has already said he would like to be in the opening in some way.
They have Kenny Chesney too.
I think this goes even further to support the idea the opener, which won't be announced for months, is going to be a rock concert.
Madonna [8D]
Not a point of debate, he was serious:
http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?articleID=20080403_11_Rasca80377
Rascal Flatts.
Yet another example of a GREAT act coming to the BOk (artist of the year I believe) but something that has no interest to me at all. Sorry, but if tickets to any of the events thus far were $25 I probably wouldn't even go. They just don't interest me.
I am a young professional who is not in to country music. I've been to a few country concerts on the cheap (including Garth before he was popular), but have been to more Opera than country concerts (not to say Opera is by concert bag, baby). Chili Peppers, Cold Play, Tool, Nine Inch Nails... something that has been on the pop charts in my lifetime at least.
Good job getting big acts, but if you target the country market over and over won't we exhaust it? How many big time concerts does a country fan go to in a period of 3 months?
like someone else posted in that TW article....I'm going to stick to Cain's...the quality acts they bring in make these look like a joke.
You guys are really trolling the bottom...Look..I am not particularly interested in Rascall Flatts either, but the point of the venue is to provide a stage for a variety of artists and interests. The show will likely sell out, and that is a good thing.
And regarding Cain's...75% of the shows at Cain's hold little interest for me. Cherrypicking a few bands that play there and citing that as a reason that Cain's is a better venue is bogus. I happen to love the place, and believe that it is a real asset to the city, but indicting the BOK Center event planners for picking out acts that don't meet your taste requirements, and using Cain's as a standard is crap.
Let's take a look at the current concert calendar for Cain's. I will highlight the shows that hold any interest for me. The purpose is to point out that, in order for a venue to succeed, you have to host a variety of acts that cater to the broader public interest, not just ones that rank high on the music snob index.
1. Dropping Daylight and Saving Abel Opener :: The Voice Of
2. Sick Puppies will be performing on
April 28!!!
3. Eisley Openers :: The Myriad, Vedera and The Envy Corps
4. KVOO Listener Appreciation Show
featuring Jack Ingram
Openers :: Josh Gracin, James Otto, and Emily West
5. Feist Opener :: Hayden
6. an evening with
The Mars Volta
7. Ministry - C U LaTour Opener :: Meshuggah and Hemlock
8. Wayne "The Train" Hancock
9. The Reverend Peyton's Big Damn Band Opener :: Jason Webley
10. Daughtry – Acoustic Opener :: TBA SOLD OUT!!!
11. Dimmu Borgir Opener :: Behemoth and Keep of Kalessin
12. Story of the Year Openers :: Madina Lake and Josephine Collective
13. Rockstar Energy presents Get A Life Tour featuring The Used, Straylight Run, Army of Me and Street Drum Corps
14. Senior Star Round Up brought to you by Woodland Terrace and Burgundy Place
Bands :: The Round Up Boys with special guests Cowboy Jones
15. Sick Puppies
16. Gov't Mule
17. Disturbed Openers :: Five Finger Death Punch and Art of Dying
18. Ben Kenney & DJ Kilmore of Incubus
19. Tegan & Sara Opener :: An Horse
20. O.A.R.
21. The Avett Brothers Opener :: Matt Butcher
22. an evening with Hot Tuna (electric)
23. Colbie Caillat Opener :: Trevor Hall
24. Fire & Ice Tour 08 featuring Tech N9ne and Paul Wall Opener :: Ill Bill
25. Local H
26. Big Smith
27. Old 97's Opener :: Hayes Carl
28. Buckethead
29. Rancid Opener :: Riverboat Gamblers and Dirty Mugz
30. an evening with Ween
6 acts out of 30 scheduled that I would be willing to pay money for....does this mean I think Cain's is doing a bad job programming their venue? NO. On the contrary, I believe Cain's is doing a very good job. I want them to stay in business, and beyond that, to prosper, so that Wilco or Elvis Costello or Morrissey or Lucinda Williams will have a place in Tulsa to play. Likewise, I want the BOK center to sell out and prosper so that artists like Clapton and the RHCP will have a place to play. So no complaints from this kid about Celine Dion or Kenny Chesney.
Rascal Flatts is the first act I want to see. I think jukebox country music is kind of the special olympics of music and Celine Dion is kinda frightening.
This is more bluegrass country. I like it.
Taylor Swift is opening for Rascal Flatts. Any of you guys care to reconsider?
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Before you reconsider, consider this: Taylor Swift is in high school [:D]
There will be non-country acts, give them time and be patient. But don't be surprised that there ARE country acts, this arena is in Tulsa, OK and there are a fair number of people here and around here that are huge country music fans.
She's pretty.
I agree with Kenosha. Don't get all fussy just because the current top concert events don't meet your taste. Arena acts must, by nature, cater to the lowest common denominator to sell tickets. Rascall Flatts is the nastiest country boy band crap on the radio, but I'm fired up that they're coming here. Why? Because they wouldn't have before. And people will fill the arena to see them.
And as for Garth--if you're not a fan, you might not understand the fanaticism that accompanies his shows. A Garth opener would be a nuclear event in downtown Tulsa. Huge. You think the fact that 80,000 people saw him 11 years ago diminishes his potential draw here? Demand would be stratospheric.
And I just found out my mother has tickets to the Kenny Chesney show. My mom. Going downtown to an arena show. With all her mom-type coworkers. Seriously. That's what we're going to see with this arena--folks going downtown for the excitement and nightlife who've never been there before. It's going to be good.
I came up with 4 on Kenosha's cains list. I also discovered we are never going to bump into each other at a concert.
Typical for Tulsa. Rascal Flatts? Give me a break. I'm sure that all the s**tkickers will love it but how about something that appeals to the majority of fans? I agree. Bring on Clapton.
Well for the audiences sake, I hope the sound man can use Pro Tools on the fly.
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Originally posted by RecycleMichael
This is more bluegrass country. I like it.
I would definitely pay to see Union Station. Not saying they have the "wow" factor for the big opening act, but I'd definitely pay what ever it cost to see them at the BOK Center.
Aside from their obvious hits, they are incredible musicians. Their CD's are amongst the few in my collection that I can honestly say I like every single track on every disk. And I'm not a huge country or bluegrass fan either.
The residents of Tulsa never cease to amaze me. Had they announced that some poorly selling act... I could see the upraor. Give it time... I'm positive that they will book a wide vareity of acts.
<breitbee said:
I'm sure that all the s**tkickers will love it but how about something that appeals to the majority of fans?
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Good luck with that.
I mean, is there *any* music act that actually appeals to a majority of fans? Any that's actually touring right now?
The music industry and tastes are so fragmented right now, with jillions of genres and subgenres, I'd be hard-pressed to find any act that has that wide of an appeal.
I don't think anyone has said this is a bad act to bring in. Merely that as of yet most people are not represented.
Opening act will likely be Garth Brooks - Counrty
Then we have Dion - generally wealthy white women
Chesney - Country
Rascal Flats - Country
You don't see a trend?
Not much that would apply to your typical young professional that I see on there. In fact, I do not know anyone in town of any age planning on going to any of those shows. There are probably plenty of people who will (AGAIN OVER AND OVER, these are big time acts), just not that run in the same circle as I do (generally young, mostly white, usually married, educated professionals who grew up with popular music from the 80-90's).
We are in Oklahoma, but we are in an urban setting in Oklahoma. Not everyone prefers country.
To pull out a stereo type that is largely true, it's seems likely that few of the 140,000 black people in Tulsa will have any interest in the acts thus far announced. Not too mention the other people who would enjoy hip-hop/rap or other forms of "urban" (code for black) music. I have to imagine a feeling will start to grow that "they" are subsidizing "us" (que Roscoe Turner to turn concerts into a race issue!). But honestly, there is nothing to appeal to the entire black population for the most part.
So I hope they book a wide variety of acts, but so far we are 0-4. 1 hitting a very selective demographic (sorry, I don't know any Dion fans) and the other 3 hitting Country Music fans. I'd be wary if it was all rap, all current pop acts, or all 1990's acts. Anyway, at a least a hint that we can expect variety would be welcome.
I want to join in the anticipation too.
The arena opens in early September. The "BIG" opener will be announced in July? This give two whole months between announcement and concert?
I'm no expert, but to me it would seem that any act labeled "BIG" would book well in advance and would list the Tulsa venue on pollstar or any number of concert websites.
Just speculating, but this points to an act not currently on tour or a retired artist (Brooks). Either way, I fail to see the point of holding the announcement until July.
That is, unless the arena has nobody booked. With only two months lead time, it gives the arena an out, i.e. - we have/had a "BIG" name, but due to "final touches" on the arena, we could not secure a date, ergo, welcome Kenny Chesney - the BOK opener.
God - let me be wrong. PLEEESE!!
You're oversimplifying things, cf.
Yes, Garth, Rascal Flatts and Chesney are listed as "country" acts.
But each of these so-called "country" acts have a ton of crossover appeal. Each of them have scored big hits on the pop charts (remember Flatts' monster-hit version of "Life is a Highway"?), and their album sales reflect this.
You'll hear a lot of this at their shows: "I don't like country, but I do like (insert popular "country" act here)."
And, yes, each of them sells tickets by the truckload.
As for rap or hip-hop, take a look at Pollstar's Top 50. Try to find any black acts there. The only one I found was Kanye West. Are there any viable black touring acts out there that you could book in an 18,000-seat arena?
Remember, arena booking is a business. Those folks are going to book well-established, multiplatinum rock and pop acts. Not hipster acts that would be hard-pressed to sell out the Brady.
Why does NIN go to the Ford center instead of our new BOK center?
DAMN YOU CRUEL WORLD!
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Originally posted by cannon_fodder
I don't think anyone has said this is a bad act to bring in. Merely that as of yet most people are not represented.
Opening act will likely be Garth Brooks - Counrty
Then we have Dion - generally wealthy white women
Chesney - Country
Rascal Flats - Country
Celine Dion is Jason Rae's favorite singer. Who the Hell is Jason Rae you ask? Why he's the youngest super delegate ever...and his favorite tv show is ALF and his favorite movie is "Love Actually".
To quote "Daily Show" interviewer; "You have your finger on the pulse of America's youth."
Regardless of one's opinion of Rascal Flats, does anyone else think that holding a press conference is a little bit overkill? Hasn't the BOK ever heard of a press release?
I, for one, am glad that the Cain's only has a handful of artists I'd like to see. At nearly $30 a ticket, they get enough of my money as it is. They're just helping me out with my budget is all.
Two acts are a trend? I've heard that Garth hasn't said anything about opening? Where has he ever said he would? I'd really like to know[:)]However I think he would be great to open.
Plenty of people voiced their opinion on the T-World site, but I'm just happy they have announced people that are going to sell tickets.
The place hasn't opened yet and I'm not bothered by 2 Solid country acts and Dion... its a lot better than them saying Teddy Jack Eddy and the Bacon Brothers[}:)]
Considering the recent acts to the Ford Center were or are going to be Bon Jovi, Rush, Foo Fighters, Linkin Park, did Van Halen perform in January or was Eddie in Rehab? I don't see any of them coming to Tulsa or announcing dates anytime soon. Who else is out there? I doubt many of the acts I prefer to see will ever be at the BOK center, but that is fine with me... I just want the place to sell out.
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Originally posted by rwarn17588
You're oversimplifying things, cf.
Yes, Garth, Rascal Flatts and Chesney are listed as "country" acts.
But each of these so-called "country" acts have a ton of crossover appeal. Each of them have scored big hits on the pop charts (remember Flatts' monster-hit version of "Life is a Highway"?), and their album sales reflect this.
You'll hear a lot of this at their shows: "I don't like country, but I do like (insert popular "country" act here)."
And, yes, each of them sells tickets by the truckload.
As for rap or hip-hop, take a look at Pollstar's Top 50. Try to find any black acts there. The only one I found was Kanye West. Are there any viable black touring acts out there that you could book in an 18,000-seat arena?
Remember, arena booking is a business. Those folks are going to book well-established, multiplatinum rock and pop acts. Not hipster acts that would be hard-pressed to sell out the Brady.
Bring on Prince!
Mine in green:
1. Dropping Daylight and Saving Abel Opener :: The Voice Of
2. Sick Puppies will be performing on
April 28!!!
3. Eisley Openers :: The Myriad, Vedera and The Envy Corps
4. KVOO Listener Appreciation Show
featuring Jack Ingram
Openers :: Josh Gracin, James Otto, and Emily West
5. Feist Opener :: Hayden
6. an evening with
The Mars Volta
7. Ministry - C U LaTour Opener :: Meshuggah and Hemlock
8. Wayne "The Train" Hancock
9. The Reverend Peyton's Big Damn Band Opener :: Jason Webley
10. Daughtry – Acoustic Opener :: TBA SOLD OUT!!!
11. Dimmu Borgir Opener :: Behemoth and Keep of Kalessin
12. Story of the Year Openers :: Madina Lake and Josephine Collective
13. Rockstar Energy presents Get A Life Tour featuring The Used, Straylight Run, Army of Me and Street Drum Corps
14. Senior Star Round Up brought to you by Woodland Terrace and Burgundy Place
Bands :: The Round Up Boys with special guests Cowboy Jones
15. Sick Puppies
16. Gov't Mule
17. Disturbed Openers :: Five Finger Death Punch and Art of Dying
18. Ben Kenney & DJ Kilmore of Incubus
19. Tegan & Sara Opener :: An Horse
20. O.A.R.
21. The Avett Brothers Opener :: Matt Butcher
22. an evening with Hot Tuna (electric)
23. Colbie Caillat Opener :: Trevor Hall
24. Fire & Ice Tour 08 featuring Tech N9ne and Paul Wall Opener :: Ill Bill
25. Local H
26. Big Smith
27. Old 97's Opener :: Hayes Carl
28. Buckethead
29. Rancid Opener :: Riverboat Gamblers and Dirty Mugz
30. an evening with Ween
JNE, we should go to Buckhead together. I've seen him several times with Primus and have a few of his albums, but never as a stand alone. PM me, I need to go.
RWARN:
Country or "cross over," who cares. It is simple: there are no acts me or anyone I know has a real interest to see yet. There are no acts that appeal to the majority of blacks in the city.
It's not complicated, that's why I made it simple.
And I enjoy country music. I'm just not a real fan of it. Such that I would want to pay $35+ to see a country star in concert (let alone $70+). I imagine those that hold out the "I don't like country but..." taglines are mostly in my boat.
Again, I'm not that disappointed. These are good acts. Just so far targeted to a narrow audience IMHO. It's early, but I am already getting the feeling that the long list of acts I posted previously will never play the BOk (rock/pop that was on the charts since I was born. Really, I'm not that picky.
Acts below booked at various stadiums around the country. This is with a quick glance... and somewhat repetitive.
Current arena acts on tour I would see:
Dave Matthews
NIN
Moby
Coldplay
Pearl Jam
RHCP
TOOL
Radiohead
Foo Fighters
R.E.M.
"black acts" on tour:
Kanye West
Alicia Keyes
Jay-Z
There are acts out there fitting what I'm talking about. And this was a short search.
Floyd is absolutely correct.
Buckethead should be a great concert. Guy can absolutely shred. Pretty excited about that one.
I WAS going to see Ministry but then, All of a sudden, I found myself in love with the world
So there was only one thing that I could do
Was ding a ding dang my dang a long ling long.
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Originally posted by sgrizzle
I came up with 4 on Kenosha's cains list. I also discovered we are never going to bump into each other at a concert.
LOL.
That is precisely my point. Different strokes for different folks...
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Originally posted by cannon_fodder
I don't think anyone has said this is a bad act to bring in. Merely that as of yet most people are not represented.
Opening act will likely be Garth Brooks - Counrty
Then we have Dion - generally wealthy white women
Chesney - Country
Rascal Flats - Country
You don't see a trend?
Not much that would apply to your typical young professional that I see on there. In fact, I do not know anyone in town of any age planning on going to any of those shows. There are probably plenty of people who will (AGAIN OVER AND OVER, these are big time acts), just not that run in the same circle as I do (generally young, mostly white, usually married, educated professionals who grew up with popular music from the 80-90's).
We are in Oklahoma, but we are in an urban setting in Oklahoma. Not everyone prefers country.
To pull out a stereo type that is largely true, it's seems likely that few of the 140,000 black people in Tulsa will have any interest in the acts thus far announced. Not too mention the other people who would enjoy hip-hop/rap or other forms of "urban" (code for black) music. I have to imagine a feeling will start to grow that "they" are subsidizing "us" (que Roscoe Turner to turn concerts into a race issue!). But honestly, there is nothing to appeal to the entire black population for the most part.
So I hope they book a wide variety of acts, but so far we are 0-4. 1 hitting a very selective demographic (sorry, I don't know any Dion fans) and the other 3 hitting Country Music fans. I'd be wary if it was all rap, all current pop acts, or all 1990's acts. Anyway, at a least a hint that we can expect variety would be welcome.
I want to join in the anticipation too.
For what it is worth, I'd place money on the fact that any black artist that is currently touring on the arena circuit has sold as many "albums" (read: mp3's) to white kids as black kids. The urban genre has true crossover appeal these days. In conclusion, I agree with you that we hope that the programming for the arena is broad in terms of genre and type.
Kenosha, I agree wholeheartedly about the album sales of black music. Such has been the case since Elvis. I'm just avoiding classifying R&B, rap, hip hop or whatever. If I say "black" or "urban" music people know what I mean.
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Originally posted by grahambino
Buckethead should be a great concert. Guy can absolutely shred. Pretty excited about that one.
I WAS going to see Ministry but then, All of a sudden, I found myself in love with the world
So there was only one thing that I could do
Was ding a ding dang my dang a long ling long.
That's why I love Jesus. He built my hotrod!
In considering the great circus maximum, with its chariot races and the coliseum remains of Rome's heydays, is it possible to book such races? With the increasing of the changing of the religion factors world wide will future bookings possible book episodes of feeding the Christians to the lions?
After all the millions of revenue bonds to build it will take a generation to pay off this million-air palace where the working poor would require three day's pay for he and his wife to attend an event.
Shadows, tickets are generally around $75. If you make $6 an hour you probably should be spending that money on some kind of vocational training or education instead of a concert. Maybe they should take the time a concert would take and earn extra money. Actually, you know what... I'll just say it:
[nm, no I won't]
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Originally posted by shadows
After all the millions of revenue bonds to build it will take a generation to pay off this million-air palace where the working poor would require three day's pay for he and his wife to attend an event.
If you make less than $20 (two tickets @ $10 each for a Talons game) in 3 day, you've got bigger issues than going to the arena.
Even going to the Chesney concert is $70 per ticket. If the man is making minimum wage, then I can see this being a problem. But again, if he is only making minimum wage, perhaps he should be getting some better education than spending his time at the arena.
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Originally posted by Floyd
She's pretty.
I agree with Kenosha. Don't get all fussy just because the current top concert events don't meet your taste. Arena acts must, by nature, cater to the lowest common denominator to sell tickets. Rascall Flatts is the nastiest country boy band crap on the radio, but I'm fired up that they're coming here. Why? Because they wouldn't have before. And people will fill the arena to see them.
And as for Garth--if you're not a fan, you might not understand the fanaticism that accompanies his shows. A Garth opener would be a nuclear event in downtown Tulsa. Huge. You think the fact that 80,000 people saw him 11 years ago diminishes his potential draw here? Demand would be stratospheric.
And I just found out my mother has tickets to the Kenny Chesney show. My mom. Going downtown to an arena show. With all her mom-type coworkers. Seriously. That's what we're going to see with this arena--folks going downtown for the excitement and nightlife who've never been there before. It's going to be good.
I agree and wll stated!
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Originally posted by shadows
In considering the great circus maximum, with its chariot races and the coliseum remains of Rome's heydays, is it possible to book such races? With the increasing of the changing of the religion factors world wide will future bookings possible book episodes of feeding the Christians to the lions?
After all the millions of revenue bonds to build it will take a generation to pay off this million-air palace where the working poor would require three day's pay for he and his wife to attend an event.
You are right Shadows, admission to all events in the new arena should be free! While we are at it, everything should be free to the working poor. Oh, and screw those who pay butt loads in federal and state tax every year and who spend butt loads of money which are subject to the sales tax that funded the arena--they should pay double.
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Originally posted by shadows
In considering the great circus maximum, with its chariot races and the coliseum remains of Rome's heydays, is it possible to book such races? With the increasing of the changing of the religion factors world wide will future bookings possible book episodes of feeding the Christians to the lions?
After all the millions of revenue bonds to build it will take a generation to pay off this million-air palace where the working poor would require three day's pay for he and his wife to attend an event.
What is your obsession with Rome? You sound like the creepy rainbow people who equate every workplace (they spent 2 weeks in) to Babylon.
I can just picture it now... 10,000 pickup trucks with varying levels of rust, all descending upon Downtown Tulsa, all to discover there is no dedicated parking at the BOK center.
"Oh, the hours we spent, inside the Coliseum.
Dodging lions, and a-wasting time,
oh those mighty kings of the jungle, I could hardly stand to see'em
Yes it sure has been a long, hard drive.
Train wheels a-running thru the back of my memory,
When I ran on a hilltop following a pack of wild geese,
Someday everything is gonna sound like a rhapsody...."
Bob Dylan
BTW, I'm sticking with my Eagles prediction.
Tom Petty...his last scheduled shows are:
08.26.08 Selma TX US Verizon Wireless Amphitheatre
08.27.08 Dallas TX US American Airlines Centre
08.29.08 Woodlands TX US Cynthia Woods Mitchell
Next stop...Tulsa.
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Originally posted by Kenosha
Tom Petty...his last scheduled shows are:
08.26.08 Selma TX US Verizon Wireless Amphitheatre
08.27.08 Dallas TX US American Airlines Centre
08.29.08 Woodlands TX US Cynthia Woods Mitchell
Next stop...Tulsa.
The conventional wisdom....I'd love to see it.
I was told point blank by an idividual in the marketing and pr group from the BOK arena that Garth Brooks will not be opening the arena. That he was invited and declined the invitataion, so they were moving more in the direction of some classic rock star.
This is legitimate information from the arean group itself. Now if they are pulling a deny - deny - deny and then a big surprising reveal then who knows.
Maybe they're waiting to see if David Cook wins American Idol. I'm surprised nobody has mentioned Carrie Underwood. I wonder if I'll ever see the inside of the arena...
They can't announce an opening act when you might have to change the opening date.
Of course we all trust them since it's only been changed 2 or 3 times [;)]
Some of the people think that everyone is making thousands of dollars each week. Next time you stop at a fast food establishment ask the workers how many hour they work each week for the minimum wage. You will be surprised at how they regulate it to where they work less than 40 hours weekly to be classed as temp employees. Just tip them $70 dollars the next time you stop for a cup of coffee.
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Originally posted by shadows
Just tip them $70 dollars the next time you stop for a cup of coffee.
Why?
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Originally posted by shadows
Some of the people think that everyone is making thousands of dollars each week. Next time you stop at a fast food establishment ask the workers how many hour they work each week for the minimum wage. You will be surprised at how they regulate it to where they work less than 40 hours weekly to be classed as temp employees. Just tip them $70 dollars the next time you stop for a cup of coffee.
Those arent real jobs anyway and nobody expects to "make a living" at them. They are supposed to be temporary jobs. Good for high school kids, someone who wants to make an extra buck like some elderly people, a second income for a while, people who are going to college and need part time work to make some extra cash, a starter job to show you have what it takes to work hard, keep a schedule, show up etc. etc. A lot of young people I know use those types of jobs to travel and see the world. There are places in some countries where you can learn to wait tables properly or bartender, you get a liscense, then you can backpack arond Europe and other places. Being a cashier or flipping burgers is not a career or something anyone would expect to live the high life on. I did my share of restaurant work, for years worked 2 jobs a day, one during the first half, another in the second half, started in the early morning, got home at 11, 11:30 at night in order to survive until I could get a better job and get through college. As a young person I was glad there were jobs that didnt require any skills which could get me started. And thats mostly what those jobs are for, to get you on your way, not raise a family on.
It seems to me like you book who you can book when they're available. These famous people have schedules, you know?
Much like many have stated, I won't be at the Kenny Chesney concert, but I sure am glad he's coming...same with Rascal Flats. If there's a stretch of country music, so be it. Surely there will be a stretch of Genesis, Police, Stones, Springsteen, and Elton John somewhere down the line...with a sprinkling of Streisand.
I think Tulsa has a real shot at getting the American Idol tour as well, which will be huge. There are a couple of pretty popular Okie females that would probably do well - Reba and Carrie Underwood. I think Reba has been on tour with Kelly Clarkson.
We throw a little basketball in there, some Talons football, Cirque Du Soleil, etc. and we'll have a nice full calendar.
Somebody better get started on building that hotel where the current city hall sits.
Also, I was thinking about that parking...I live by TU. There's not much parking at all on the campus and yet somehow 35,000 people (twice the arena capacity) manage to find their way in to that stadium. . . and don't tell me that some of them are students who walk. I already subtracted that amount (roughly 300) from the total. Hopefully people will be able to do the same downtown....with a far greater number of parking spaces.
Interesting Link.
http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003685265
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Originally posted by JoeMommaBlake
Interesting Link.
http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003685265
I would love to go see the Police, Genesis, Prince,,, Us old folk that grew up with them generally have a couple bucks to spend and like taking trips down memory lane. lol Aaah the good old days when life was new and full of magic and energy....sigh... Does anyone know where I left my walker?
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Originally posted by TheArtist
Does anyone know where I left my walker?
next to your gold paint...as always.
Oh yeah, Cirque Du Soleil! Thanks for mentioning. I would definitely break off some $$ for this.
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Originally posted by JoeMommaBlake
It seems to me like you book who you can book when they're available. These famous people have schedules, you know?
Much like many have stated, I won't be at the Kenny Chesney concert, but I sure am glad he's coming...same with Rascal Flats. If there's a stretch of country music, so be it. Surely there will be a stretch of Genesis, Police, Stones, Springsteen, and Elton John somewhere down the line...with a sprinkling of Streisand.
I think Tulsa has a real shot at getting the American Idol tour as well, which will be huge. There are a couple of pretty popular Okie females that would probably do well - Reba and Carrie Underwood. I think Reba has been on tour with Kelly Clarkson.
We throw a little basketball in there, some Talons football, Cirque Du Soleil, etc. and we'll have a nice full calendar.
Somebody better get started on building that hotel where the current city hall sits.
Also, I was thinking about that parking...I live by TU. There's not much parking at all on the campus and yet somehow 35,000 people (twice the arena capacity) manage to find their way in to that stadium. . . and don't tell me that some of them are students who walk. I already subtracted that amount (roughly 300) from the total. Hopefully people will be able to do the same downtown....with a far greater number of parking spaces.
Calm down Joe. We know you got a lot a bread to bake and make. But the trickle down disposable income in Tee town won't even break even all those acts unless they are spread out over the next 5 years (and the elite go to Vegas, NYC, SF, and elsewhere to catch "the shows"). Hopefully in 5 years, "they" may have their parking nightmare solved except on nights the PAC has an event or the new Ballpark is flush. BTW, that same nightmare will adversley effect your sales on areema nights that are sold out and/or overlapping other "cultural" shows.
Go slow Joe. It's nice to have an oven in the district....you will do well by city hall.
I disagree FOTD.
I think pizza guy is closer to what will happen. The big acts find places like new iconic arenas and will want to play in them. We also have a new booking company with proven success all across America.
We have never had such a cool arena and such opportunity to promote our town as a concert venue. The Cain's has been good, but combined with the Arena, D-fest, etc...this town could be a great live music hotspot for a few years.
Expect the Rolling Stones, eventually--if they don't keel over first. They've played Oklahoma City, Omaha, Missoula, Wichita, Austin, and Boise over the last few years. There are rumors that they'll be doing another arena tour in 2009, and I would think that the newest arenas in markets they have not played will be on the list.
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Hopefully in 5 years, "they" may have their parking nightmare solved except on nights the PAC has an event or the new Ballpark is flush. BTW, that same nightmare will adversley effect your sales on areema nights that are sold out and/or overlapping other "cultural" shows.
I'll bet you a pizza that parking is not the issue you believe it to be. The whole point of not creating dedicated parking is to "force" the public to park and walk.
When people have to walk, they have to pass restaurants and bars. This phenomenon is inevitably good for the entire area.
As you can imagine, I can't wait for the night when Rent is showing at the PAC, Daughtry is playing the BOK, and the Drillers are playing a home game. That could be as many as 30,000 people downtown just for those events. People have to eat! I'm not an expert or a fortune teller, but I seriously doubt "event overlap" will "adversely affect" my business. . . I expect the quite the opposite. Every restaurant in town would kill for "event overlap" within a few blocks of their front door.
There's a thread somewhere on the forum about downtown parking. Someone even took the time to color code the thing. People will find a place to park and it will benefit the whole of downtown.
joemomma,
are you opening a branch downtown?
We sure are! Hope to see you there!
...if you can find a place to park.
[:)]
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Originally posted by tsfinest
joemomma,
are you opening a branch downtown?
Ta-da:
https://tulsanow.org/wp/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=9487
Neil Diamond? 10/21?
NEIL DIAMOND 2008 NORTH AMERICAN TOUR DATES
July
19 St. Paul, MN Xcel Energy Center
22 Sioux City, IA Tyson Events Center
24 Omaha, NE Qwest Center Omaha
26 Chicago, IL United Center
29 Indianapolis, IN Conseco Fieldhouse
31 Detroit, MI The Palace of Auburn Hills
August
3 Cleveland, OH Quicken Loans Arena
5 Washington, DC Verizon Center
7 Hartford, CT XL Center
9 Philadelphia, PA Wachovia Center
12 New York, NY Madison Square Garden
14 New York, NY Madison Square Garden
18 Pittsburgh, PA Mellon Arena
20 Albany, NY Times Union Center
23 Boston, MA Fenway Park
25 Columbus, OH Value City Arena at The Schottenstein Center
27 Green Bay, WI Resch Center
29 St. Louis, MO Scottrade Center
September
14 Winnipeg, MB MTS Centre
16 Edmonton, AB Rexall Place
18 Calgary, AB Pengrowth Saddledome
20 Vancouver, BC General Motors Place
22 Portland, OR Rose Garden
24 Seattle, WA KeyArena at Seattle Center
26 Sacramento, CA ARCO Arena
28 San Jose, CA HP Pavilion
October
1 Los Angeles, CA Hollywood Bowl
2 Los Angeles, CA Hollywood Bowl
7 San Diego, CA San Diego Sports Arena
10 Phoenix, AZ Jobing.com Arena
12 San Antonio, TX AT&T Center
14 Houston, TX Toyota Center
16 Dallas, TX American Airlines Center
19 Oklahoma City, OK Ford Center
21 Tulsa, OK BOK Center
24 Tampa, FL St. Pete Times Forum
26 Ft. Lauderdale, FL BankAtlantic Center
28 Orlando, FL Amway Arena Orlando
30 Jacksonville, FL Jacksonville Veterans Memorial Arena
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Originally posted by pfox
NEIL DIAMOND 2008 NORTH AMERICAN TOUR DATES
October
1 Los Angeles, CA Hollywood Bowl
2 Los Angeles, CA Hollywood Bowl
7 San Diego, CA San Diego Sports Arena
10 Phoenix, AZ Jobing.com Arena
12 San Antonio, TX AT&T Center
14 Houston, TX Toyota Center
16 Dallas, TX American Airlines Center
19 Oklahoma City, OK Ford Center
21 Tulsa, OK BOK Center
24 Tampa, FL St. Pete Times Forum
26 Ft. Lauderdale, FL BankAtlantic Center
28 Orlando, FL Amway Arena Orlando
30 Jacksonville, FL Jacksonville Veterans Memorial Arena
Freaking Sweet.
Start practicing
Where it began
I can't begin to knowin'
But then I know it's growin' strong
Was in the spring
And spring became the summer
Who'd have believed you'd come along
Hands, touchin' hands
Reachin' out
Touchin' me
Touchin' you
Sweet Caroline
Good times never seemed so good
I've been inclined
To believe they never would
But now I
Look at the night
And it don't seem so lonely
We fill it up with only two
And when I hurt
Hurtin' runs off my shoulders
How can I hurt when I'm with you
Warm, touchin' warm
Reachin' out
Touchin' me
Touchin' you
Sweet Caroline
Good times never seemed so good
I've been inclined
To believe they never would
Oh, no, no
Sweet Caroline
Good times never seemed so good
I've been inclined
To believe they never would
Sweet Caroline
Interesting. Notice the demographics for the already announced acts. How old is Neil Diamond?I am certain availability is an issue, but none of the acts so far appeal much to the boomers.
Must be saving that for the opening.....
If not, I'm gonna start to wonder who's booking talent.
Black Crowes are playing Cain's in July....
Neil Diamond doesn't appeal to boomers? Who are you and what planet are you from? His career spanned the 1960s, 70s, and 80s. Neil Diamond is a definitive baby boomer crowd pleaser.
We're coming to America!
TODAY!
TODAY!
TODAY!
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Originally posted by FOTD
Neil Diamond? 10/21?
I thought that restraining order was still in effect keeping you at least 100 feet from Neil Diamond.
Tulsa World has the Diamond announcement
http://www.tulsaworld.com/entertainment/spot/article.aspx?articleID=20080416_243_D3_span26771
If not the baby boomers, who does Neil Diamond appeal to?
It certainly doesn't appeal to my grandparents nor particularly to my generation. Seems to leave the middle for his primary audience... which would be those born from 1950 ~ 1960. Aka, baby boomers.
Another big name signing, another act none in my circle will pay to go see.
Yeah. My parents are boomers....and will probably go see Neil Diamond...and they'll be there with all of the other 50ish year old people in town. Cool thing about 50ish year old people is that they tend to have expendable income...which comes in handy when you're trying to sell tickets and concessions...and when you're serving food a few blocks away. [:)]
I'm in my thirties and I dig Diamond. No tribute band but I'd like to see the act.
Sure, my 20 something GF reacted with the "you're kidding right?" look on her face.
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Originally posted by cannon_fodder
If not the baby boomers, who does Neil Diamond appeal to?
It certainly doesn't appeal to my grandparents nor particularly to my generation. Seems to leave the middle for his primary audience... which would be those born from 1950 ~ 1960. Aka, baby boomers.
Another big name signing, another act none in my circle will pay to go see.
Yeah, its great, but I sure wish it were Neil Young!
Neil Diamond put out massive amounts of suckage from about 1980 on. Even my wife, a big fan, admits this.
But then, a few years ago, he got Rick Rubin as a producer. You know, *that* Rick Rubin -- the fellow who produced all those latter-day albums by the Red Hot Chili Peppers, System of a Down, Audioslave, Slayer and at least two dozen other acts. Heck, Rubin deserves some sort of lifetime-achievement prize for resurrecting Johnny Cash's career like he did.
Diamond's last album, "12 Songs," was tremendous. Rubin stripped out all the schlock that made those 1980s and '90s albums unlistenable. Rubin gently busted Diamond's chops and told him: "You can do better."
He did.
Rubin's on board with the new album coming out on May 6.
So, yeah, I'm going.
I know numerous kids in their young twenties that like Mr. Diamond!
FOTD CALLS IT RIGHT AGAIN!!!
EAGLES...SEPT. 5 OR 6
OPENING ACT.
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Originally posted by FOTD
FOTD CALLS IT RIGHT AGAIN!!!
EAGLES...SEPT. 5 OR 6
OPENING ACT.
That's the best they could do?
They're number 4.. I was just hoping for a concert for someone who doesn't own a pickup or is over 40.
The Eagles? Is that confirmed or were you joking?
When I brag about being correct on this board, I am not joking. And that's often.....
All you complainers can kiss my butt, I'll be at the Eagles concert ;)
Me too.....away from the bright lights. Will somebody call a cab for me though. I don't like hunting for parking spaces.
Gotcha. That's cool. Always liked the Eagles. I saw them at the Ford center 4 or so years ago. They put on a great show. I'll have to keep an eye out for tickets to this one.
Thanks
Does someone have a link to verify this? Or are we just supposed to believe anonymous internetz poster?
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Originally posted by bacjz00
Does someone have a link to verify this? Or are we just supposed to believe anonymous internetz poster?
I only deal in truth telling....I am a friend of the devil.....
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Originally posted by bacjz00
Does someone have a link to verify this? Or are we just supposed to believe anonymous internetz poster?
Announcement isn't for two months, not going to get verified anytime soon, if true.
FOTD can be reached in his room at the Hotel California.
I'll be in the Millenium Restaurant next to the lobby. Come on by and I will buy you a tequilla sunrise.