How very original. It's sorta sad, really.
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Looks crappy compared to ours ;)
Um... Wow, that is original.. If by original, you mean unoriginal or cookie-cutter. [:D]
It doesn't even look that much like a copy.
To me it looks like when you have legos and some other building set, and you make something really nice, but you have just a few pieces left over.. you start to feel like you should find SOMEPLACE for those pieces to go... That's what this is, just extra crap bolted onto the front, and it looks like it.
Of course it costs them $191 million for an arena with a a curved glass window. It costs us $179 for an arena with a curved glass whole side of the building. Not to mention they have cement block, we have stainless... I mean, have you ever heard of anyone remodeling their kitchen going "wow, I want to get myself a refrigerator in a cinder block finish..."
Both buildings were foisted on tax payers. OKC just has a record of executing that Tulsa does not.
Well... looks better than it did anyway.
Anyone want to tell the guy in the black civic that he's illegally parked, and his trunk is open?
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Originally posted by sgrizzle
Anyone want to tell the guy in the black civic that he's illegally parked, and his trunk is open?
Might want to tell the people that loitering is illegal and maybe they should talk to each other.
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Originally posted by sgrizzle
Anyone want to tell the guy in the black civic that he's illegally parked, and his trunk is open?
Might want to tell the people that loitering is illegal and maybe they should talk to each other.
We could get real nitpicky like why nothing on the ground (people, trees, etc) casts a shadow, and in fact seems to be in a shadow. Or why they have like 4 women wearing the same white shorts and red tube top when everyone else is wearing long sleeves or sweatshirts. Or why in the first picture, the sun can be setting behind the ford center, which would be almost due north. In the second picture, the sunlight against the clouds suggests the sun is to the northwest.
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Originally posted by sgrizzle
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Originally posted by Townsend
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Originally posted by sgrizzle
Anyone want to tell the guy in the black civic that he's illegally parked, and his trunk is open?
Might want to tell the people that loitering is illegal and maybe they should talk to each other.
We could get real nitpicky like why nothing on the ground (people, trees, etc) casts a shadow, and in fact seems to be in a shadow. Or why they have like 4 women wearing the same white shorts and red tube top when everyone else is wearing long sleeves or sweatshirts. Or why in the first picture, the sun can be setting behind the ford center, which would be almost due north. In the second picture, the sunlight against the clouds suggests the sun is to the northwest.
I think it's a message to me. I'll work on it and let you know.
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Originally posted by sgrizzle
Anyone want to tell the guy in the black civic that he's illegally parked, and his trunk is open?
At least they include an SVT Focus in one of the pictures....otherwise the rest are Japanese/European imports . Was the CGI artist trying to make a statement about the FORD center?
Well, it looks nice I guess. Something just doesn't look right. A grand entrance that soon molds into a stock building with little transition or blending. Just seems off in some way. Oh well, it's an improvement I suppose and I don't have to pay for it anyway!
Why I want to know is why are all the guys wearing pants and long sleaves and all the women wearing short shorts, hooker skirts, tank tops, and open backs? Not complaining, just sayin'.
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Originally posted by cannon_fodder
all the women wearing short shorts, hooker skirts, tank tops, and open backs? Not complaining, just sayin'.
More improvements?
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Originally posted by TheArtist
Well... looks better than it did anyway.
LOL...a ringing endorsement!
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all the women wearing short shorts, hooker skirts, tank tops, and open backs? Not complaining, just sayin'.
More improvements?
well, considering the Ford Center's particular location town the hooker skirts thing isn't too far off.
the great thing this image illustrates is that the BOk Center is architecture and the Ford center is just a building. Not all buildings are architecture.
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Originally posted by hoodlum
the great thing this image illustrates is that the BOk Center is architecture and the Ford center is just a building. Not all buildings are architecture.
+1
Let's just say "form follows function." The Ford Center was built at a fraction of the price the Pelli arena cost... it was built to attract concerts and sporting events (Big XII Tourney ring a bell?)... and a chance at landing an NHL or NBA team...
OKC's getting an NBA team.
Mission accomplished.
Come for the NBA, stay for the Promise Keepers... [}:)]
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Let's just say "form follows function." The Ford Center was built at a fraction of the price the Pelli arena cost... it was built to attract concerts and sporting events (Big XII Tourney ring a bell?)... and a chance at landing an NHL or NBA team...
OKC's getting an NBA team.
Mission accomplished.
Exactly.
Also, when the BOK Center is completed, and you take a wider angle shot of the building, what will you see? An aging federal building, an empty lot, a few non-descript structures, a jail off in the distance and no one milling around except during the occasional concert or sporting event.
When the Ford Center renovation is completed, and you look at it from a wider angle, you will see that the new facade fits in nicely with its surroundings - surroundings which accommodate people even when the Ford Center is empty.
Tulsa = the guy who lives in a cheap rent house but drives a new Cadillac Escalade.
At least be fair and give us the same amount of time, to let 2025 and the Arena show effects, that Maps and the Ford center had.
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At least be fair and give us the same amount of time, to let 2025 and the Arena show effects, that Maps and the Ford center had.
I think I am being fair. Bricktown, the ballpark, the canal, and other venues existed before the Ford Center even broke ground. I think the Bricktown area would still be a success even without the Ford Center.
The BOK Center is being built in reverse fashion ("build it and they will come"); in an area where there is currently nothing as far as food/entertainment/lodging/residential/etc.; and where that placement makes it very hard to incorporate such a mix of things.
Tulsa definitely needed a new arena. But the ego of a certain segment of Tulsa allowed for serious long-term mistakes to be made in the cost and placement of the facility.
I don't think Vision 2025 will have the impact or be a catalyst for DT that some think it will.
But if you leave it to alot of the Baby Boomers in this town (not all, so don't complain about me sterotyping) this city would NEVER do anything progressive like the arena, and we'd still be trying to attract people in a 40 year old, crumbling facility. Keep in mind we tried to get some kind of arena package passed twice before in the 10 years preceding and never did.
Let's face it; we are never going to be OKC in anything we do. I say 'good'. We don't need to be. Let's see what the BOK Center does on it's own merits when it opens, rather than speculate what could have been had we done things like OKC.
I read Hoss comments thinking it was Inteller (because of the avatar) and went "my god, I agree with that comment." Then I double checked the poster. [}:)]
Why the
animus to Oklahoma City from some of you Tulsa guys? Such as
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How very original. It's sorta sad, really.
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Looks crappy compared to ours ;)
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Um... Wow, that is original.. If by original, you mean unoriginal or cookie-cutter.
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[T]he great thing this image illustrates is that the BOk Center is architecture and the Ford center is just a building. Not all buildings are architecture.
I'm an Oklahoma City guy, and I wish the best for Tulsa. Aren't we all Oklahomans? Aren't we all from the 2 principal cities in the state by which non-Oklahoman's will identify and define "Oklahoma" the most? I just don't get the reason for the attitude.
just callin' it like I see it.
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Originally posted by USRufnex
Let's just say "form follows function." The Ford Center was built at a fraction of the price the Pelli arena cost... it was built to attract concerts and sporting events (Big XII Tourney ring a bell?)... and a chance at landing an NHL or NBA team...
OKC's getting an NBA team.
Mission accomplished.
The Ford Center wouldn't get an NBA team without the upgrades so you're logic is flawed. OKC didn't get an NBA team with a $89M arena, they got it with a $191M arena.
The anti-OKC sentiment probably comes from folks who a) haven't spent extended time there, and b) perceive the same thing coming at Tulsa from the opposite end of the turnpike. It is what it is--rivalry and jealous. We can only downplay it as much as possible.
I always thought the Ford Center was pretty cool looking from the highway. It's a big, clean, modern arena. Then, this past weekend, I was in Tulsa for Easter weekend. Did a loop around the IDL, and was stunned by the scale and design of the BOK center. I hadn't seen it in person until Sunday. It's really striking and will reflect well on the city. I can't overstate how cool it looks to a first timer. (Now, about those roads . . . I had no idea how bad they had gotten. Seriously. That bond issue needs to happen yesterday.)
But on topic--I'm looking forward to seeing NBA games in OKC. I'm rather shocked by the amount of money the city is shelling out to get them, as I'll probably be shocked by the amount of money my tickets will cost. But cheers to the Ford Center for attracting a pro team.
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The anti-OKC sentiment probably comes from folks who a) haven't spent extended time there, and b) perceive the same thing coming at Tulsa from the opposite end of the turnpike. It is what it is--rivalry and jealous. We can only downplay it as much as possible.
I always thought the Ford Center was pretty cool looking from the highway. It's a big, clean, modern arena. Then, this past weekend, I was in Tulsa for Easter weekend. Did a loop around the IDL, and was stunned by the scale and design of the BOK center. I hadn't seen it in person until Sunday. It's really striking and will reflect well on the city. I can't overstate how cool it looks to a first timer. (Now, about those roads . . . I had no idea how bad they had gotten. Seriously. That bond issue needs to happen yesterday.)
But on topic--I'm looking forward to seeing NBA games in OKC. I'm rather shocked by the amount of money the city is shelling out to get them, as I'll probably be shocked by the amount of money my tickets will cost. But cheers to the Ford Center for attracting a pro team.
The IDL is an absolutely an embarrassment and unsafe and a Tulsa bond issue won't fix it. It's the state's responsibility to fix as a federal highway and they have no plans at this time to fix any of it. The lowest rated major highway long span bridge in the state is the I-244 bridge over the river connecting to the IDL, some of the bridges over the IDL on the south side are so bad that firetrucks are not allowed to use them.
But I do hear the Crosstown is going to look great. The Crosstown is a such a black hole in the state highway budget that projects across the state are being deferred for years to fund it.
Don't discount the state's funding disparity for it's two major cities as a reason for anger towards the state from Tulsa. Check out Bates' newest blog entry on the how the state (us) is helping to fund the Sonics. And did anyone miss the possibility of rail service between Oklahoma City and Kansas City being talked about? And don't forget the state still has not accepted the outright gift of the OSU Medical Center from Ardent so that Tulsa has a real public hospital and so that the OSU medical school has a teaching hospital.
Attracting an NBA franchise is a stretch...If it would not have been for a natural disaster this would not be happening.....
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Originally posted by hoodlum
the great thing this image illustrates is that the BOk Center is architecture and the Ford center is just a building. Not all buildings are architecture.
Very true. And I hope the Ford Center gets a NBA franchise. That will mean just more unique concert opportunities and events for our BOK center in Tulsa, because of more open dates. OKC and Tulsa can live in harmony, to a degree.
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Attracting an NBA franchise is a stretch...If it would not have been for a natural disaster this would not be happening.....
You know, that's a valid point. Until cities are given an opportunity to demonstrate their capabilities, regardless of whether it was a natural disaster, places like Oklahoma City and Tulsa really have no opportunities to
prove their worth. It's all based on MSA populations, and it shouldn't be.
Had it not been for Hurricane Katrina's displacement of the Hornets, Oklahoma City probably wouldn't be in any kind of consideration for an NBA franchise.
These are not final drawings of the design. It is still in process so I say wait until the final plans are drawn before you make judgement.
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Originally posted by JLCinOKC
These are not final drawings of the design. It is still in process so I say wait until the final plans are drawn before you make judgement.
IMO might want to wait until the construction is done before you make judgement. Final plans have a tendency to not be final.
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Originally posted by JLCinOKC
These are not final drawings of the design. It is still in process so I say wait until the final plans are drawn before you make judgement.
hey in your next drawing, include more Ford cars. It is the FORD center after all.
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Originally posted by JLCinOKC
These are not final drawings of the design. It is still in process so I say wait until the final plans are drawn before you make judgement.
Benham is the firm designing the addition, correct? If so, you should hope it looks as good as the rendering, because it probably won't.
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Originally posted by inteller
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Originally posted by JLCinOKC
These are not final drawings of the design. It is still in process so I say wait until the final plans are drawn before you make judgement.
hey in your next drawing, include more Ford cars. It is the FORD center after all.
Not for long, remember they are going to resell the naming rights.