I called Victory Christian school today to ask about subbing there since I am a sub at Union High School. Figured a nice, Christian or private type environment might be less problematic than the public school.
Only reason I picked this one is because I'm not too far from there, and also Holland Hall has their subs all in place.
Shocker, at least to me is that I was told you HAD to be a member of Victory Christian Church!
Is that legal? Isn't that discrimination of some type? Catholic schools hire non-Catholics, and so does Metro Christian (going to sub for them).
Not much different than ORU requiring all employees to be non-tobacco users.
Being a private school, there's a whole lot of things they can include and exclude which a public school cannot.
If Cascia or BK wanted to limit employment strictly to Augustinian or Jesuit priests it's well within their rights.
It doesn't shock me, but it also doesn't sound right. Did they give you any reasons why they have that policy?
I'd also like to know the answer to your question. Maybe a legal eagle on here could school us (pun unintentional). Wouldn't that be discrimination based on religion? Or because of the "private" in private school, they can hire who they please?
Did you consider joining the church, getting the job, then suddenly getting real busy on Sundays?
Do they take attendance?
It is not for me, but we have friends who attend there and they really like it.
Most of us could use a little more church-ifying.
Victory also doesn't allow sex other than in the missionary position. Little shocks me.
As a religion and a non-profit they have a ton of leeway. Though as an educational institution they probably get some state funding.
Wow, that is a great question.
I believe the answer is YES. They have a good argument that hiring only members is essential to their stated mission of providing a moral education. As a religious enterprise they can discriminate based on religion to a large degree AND membership institutions can give preference to members.
Not my area of study, but I think they are in the clear.
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Originally posted by sgrizzle
Victory also doesn't allow sex other than in the missionary position. Little shocks me.
Is this sarcasm or doctrine? I can't take anything religious as sarcasm anymore because too often it's reality.
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Originally posted by sgrizzle
Victory also doesn't allow sex other than in the missionary position. Little shocks me.
Is this sarcasm or doctrine? I can't take anything religious as sarcasm anymore because too often it's reality.
Not sarcasm, unfortunately. They have some sort of sex-ed class that states this.
I wonder if that policy only applies to subs? I could see that more than across the board, subs are temporary in and out pepole and maybe they are more comfortable with them being members of their church. I don't think that's really wrong, it is the church the established the school.
I used to teach at a Catholic School in the Diocese and you wouldn't believe the packet I had to fill out upon application. I had to get a priest's letter, etc. However, I believe you can call the school office of any of the Catholic schools and they can hook you up with what you may need to be a sub-if you are interested. I think all you need is the VIRTUS workshop.
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Originally posted by cannon_fodder
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Originally posted by sgrizzle
Victory also doesn't allow sex other than in the missionary position. Little shocks me.
Is this sarcasm or doctrine? I can't take anything religious as sarcasm anymore because too often it's reality.
Not sarcasm, unfortunately. They have some sort of sex-ed class that states this.
You know why Baptists don't have sex standing up?
They're afraid someone would see them and think they were dancing.
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Originally posted by tulsa_fan
I wonder if that policy only applies to subs? I could see that more than across the board, subs are temporary in and out pepole and maybe they are more comfortable with them being members of their church. I don't think that's really wrong, it is the church the established the school.
"subs are temporary in and out pepole"
The missionary thing?
I think the word PRIVATE in your topic line pretty much answers the question.
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Originally posted by tulsa_fan
I wonder if that policy only applies to subs? I could see that more than across the board, subs are temporary in and out pepole and maybe they are more comfortable with them being members of their church. I don't think that's really wrong, it is the church the established the school.
No. A friend called about 3 hours later enquiring about employment as a counsellor and was told the same. She then asked if this rule applied only to teachers, part-time workers and counsellors, and was told that it applied to ALL employees working at the school.
And no. I would never dream of joining their church.
Our kids went to Grace a few years ago, and they have the same policy for all teachers. We felt this was so restrictive that the quality of teachers probably suffered, because of the smaller pool to choose from. The lower grades were great, but the we encountered some unqualified teachers in the HS, as the subject matter became more specialized.
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Originally posted by tulsa_fan
I wonder if that policy only applies to subs? I could see that more than across the board, subs are temporary in and out pepole and maybe they are more comfortable with them being members of their church. I don't think that's really wrong, it is the church the established the school.
No. A friend called about 3 hours later enquiring about employment as a counsellor and was told the same. She then asked if this rule applied only to teachers, part-time workers and counsellors, and was told that it applied to ALL employees working at the school.
And no. I would never dream of joining their church.
What about Metro Christian?
How about sweet revenge on your Rush Limbaugh friend. Start every sentence with "Well Brother Billy Joe says...."
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Not much different than ORU requiring all employees to be non-tobacco users.
Being a private school, there's a whole lot of things they can include and exclude which a public school cannot.
If Cascia or BK wanted to limit employment strictly to Augustinian or Jesuit priests it's well within their rights.
With that in mind, a Jesuit education is a quality education indeed.
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Originally posted by sgrizzle
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Originally posted by cannon_fodder
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Originally posted by sgrizzle
Victory also doesn't allow sex other than in the missionary position. Little shocks me.
Is this sarcasm or doctrine? I can't take anything religious as sarcasm anymore because too often it's reality.
Not sarcasm, unfortunately. They have some sort of sex-ed class that states this.
You know why Baptists don't have sex standing up?
They're afraid someone would see them and think they were dancing.
I understand that oral sex is a sin there, too. Funny, considering his initials.
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Originally posted by Conan71
Not much different than ORU requiring all employees to be non-tobacco users.
Being a private school, there's a whole lot of things they can include and exclude which a public school cannot.
If Cascia or BK wanted to limit employment strictly to Augustinian or Jesuit priests it's well within their rights.
With that in mind, a Jesuit education is a quality education indeed.
As is an Augustinian one. [;)]
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Originally posted by Conan71
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Originally posted by mr.jaynes
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Originally posted by Conan71
Not much different than ORU requiring all employees to be non-tobacco users.
Being a private school, there's a whole lot of things they can include and exclude which a public school cannot.
If Cascia or BK wanted to limit employment strictly to Augustinian or Jesuit priests it's well within their rights.
With that in mind, a Jesuit education is a quality education indeed.
As is an Augustinian one. [;)]
As is Augustinian, yes. Both Jesuits and Augustinians are renowned for a commitment to education, exemplified by very capable and learned teachers. Although Catholic schools have a religious component to them, it's my observation that it merely complements the quality of instruction, not undermines it.
Just to play devil's advocate, so to speak, I think it is a reasonable policy. While I'm not particularly religious, they are. They want the kids educated from a Victory Christian point of view. Why would they hire someone who doesn't believe the same way they do? Wouldn't make sense.
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Just to play devil's advocate, so to speak, I think it is a reasonable policy. While I'm not particularly religious, they are. They want the kids educated from a Victory Christian point of view. Why would they hire someone who doesn't believe the same way they do? Wouldn't make sense.
Exactly. Why would or should they be required to hire, say the husband or wife from the athiest couple who sued the town of Hardesty, Oklahoma for discrimination.
Allow those who are willing to pay for and want their kids to have a sheltered Christian education to have it.
Oooh, ooooh... Jesuit educated here!
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Originally posted by HoneySuckle
I called Victory Christian school today to ask about subbing there since I am a sub at Union High School. Figured a nice, Christian or private type environment might be less problematic than the public school.
Only reason I picked this one is because I'm not too far from there, and also Holland Hall has their subs all in place.
Shocker, at least to me is that I was told you HAD to be a member of Victory Christian Church!
Is that legal? Isn't that discrimination of some type? Catholic schools hire non-Catholics, and so does Metro Christian (going to sub for them).
I would think that a private entity would be allowed to hire who ever they want.
It is quite common,Children's many homes run by the Church of Christ require employees to be baptized members of the church in good standing.
Also look at the ad's for the Indian Casinos around Oklahoma. They all state Indian preference employer.
I have a friend who has been down on her luck and has been through numerous job ads and temp agency positions over the past few months.
On several occasions, she has been illegally told that she must be a Christian to get hired. A 2nd hand clothing store which I will not name most recently told her she had to be a regular churchgoer.
A dating service agency went one step further and told her that homosexuality was an abomination during her interview! (She has gay friends, and left that interview pretty ticked off).
Personal views, and highly illegal hiring practices, but unfortunately its kinda how it is here in this bible town.
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No. A friend called about 3 hours later enquiring about employment as a counsellor and was told the same. She then asked if this rule applied only to teachers, part-time workers and counsellors, and was told that it applied to ALL employees working at the school.
And no. I would never dream of joining their church.
I spent a semester at that school but it was over 20 years ago.
They always took pride in having "spirit-filled" teachers.
I don't think you'd be comfortable teaching there if you wouldn't be comfortable going to church at Victory.
I remember a textbook they were using for a medieval/renaissance history class I took my junior year. It was from either Liberty Univ or Bob Jones Univ (not sure which) and had a prologue about the evils of "secular humanism."
Then the book went into great detail about the evils of the catholic church's history... and the superiority of the "northern" renaissance (Martin Luther) over the Italian Renaissance (icky-secular humanism and nekkid statues)... Of course, this was all taught "in a spirit of LOVE!" ... [;)]
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No. A friend called about 3 hours later enquiring about employment as a counsellor and was told the same. She then asked if this rule applied only to teachers, part-time workers and counsellors, and was told that it applied to ALL employees working at the school.
And no. I would never dream of joining their church.
I spent a semester at that school but it was over 20 years ago.
They always took pride in having "spirit-filled" teachers.
I don't think you'd be comfortable teaching there if you wouldn't be comfortable going to church at Victory.
I remember a textbook they were using for a medieval/renaissance history class I took my junior year. It was from either Liberty Univ or Bob Jones Univ (not sure which) and had a prologue about the evils of "secular humanism."
Then the book went into great detail about the evils of the catholic church's history... and the superiority of the "northern" renaissance (Martin Luther) over the Italian Renaissance (icky-secular humanism and nekkid statues)... Of course, this was all taught "in a spirit of LOVE!" ... [;)]
I learned far more about other world religions than I did Catholocism at Cascia Hall. I took a survey of world religions class my Sr. year. Fantastic class.