I'd noticed yesterday that the Arkansas River was quite low. Driving in this morning, I noticed they are digging on the islands just off-shore of Westport. Anyone know what's going on?
http://www.newson6.com/global/story.asp?s=7994076
newson6 has a story (//%22http://www.newson6.com/global/story.asp?s=7994076%22) about it. Seems to be a lil bit of cleanup work as well as some maintenance on the Zink Dam.
How many times do you think they could say "Tonya Pitzer" in the same story. Did they let the six year old child of a KOTV staff member write that?
Some people are taking advantage of the new sandbars:
(http://www.wickermonkey.com/sandbar.jpg)
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Originally posted by Conan71
How many times do you think they could say "Tonya Pitzer" in the same story. Did they let the six year old child of a KOTV staff member write that?
lmao...
One is repairing several of the seals on the Zink Dam," said RiverParks' Tonja Pitzer.
RiverParks' Tonja Pitzer says it's the first time in the dam's nearly 30-year history that the seals have been replaced.
They've pulled shopping carts out at 81st and Riverside," said RiverParks' Tonja Pitzer.
"We'll continue until our resources are used up, and we have as much debris out of the river as possible," said RiverParks' Tonja Pitzer.
Because typically this time of year the water is high," said RiverParks' Tonja Pitzer.
Riverpark's Tony Pitzer isn't sure what all the fuss is about with Riverparks' Tony Pitzer's remarks, Riverpark's Tony Pitzer stated.
Maybe they are offsetting other excessive uses of pronouns. There was an article this weekend involving 3 principle actors, all male... and they kept using "he said." I had to go back and figure out which "he" they spoke of.
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Originally posted by Conan71
I'd noticed yesterday that the Arkansas River was quite low. Driving in this morning, I noticed they are digging on the islands just off-shore of Westport. Anyone know what's going on?
The work at the Zink Lake islands is by Tulsa County in response to a request from the Corps and USF&W to perform some simple maintenance on the islands before the Terns get here to nest. Similar to what was done a couple of years past... pulling scrub trees and redistributing sand.
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Originally posted by twizzler
I think their online news stories are mostly grabbed directly from their video broadcast news copy. A lot of news stories have a field shot of some one being interviewed with their name in graphics underneath. So to avoid the problem CF mentioned, I would imagine the standard protocol is to insert the person's name after they are quoted - which can get excessive if the same person is quoted from multiple video shots.
Shows how backward KOTV is.
I was amazed by how much sand has filled in above the low water dam. Wonder how much it will cost to scoop it out of there.
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Originally posted by carltonplace
I was amazed by how much sand has filled in above the low water dam. Wonder how much it will cost to scoop it out of there.
Don't really intend to scoup it out, rather the plan is to modify the dam (engineering selection is presently underway) to pass it on downstream as it will just accumulate again.
Why don't they rip-rap the perimeter of the island while they are at it. Sand is very mobile and they will just have to do it again and again. Rip-rap above the normal water line and it will really help.
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Originally posted by carltonplace
I was amazed by how much sand has filled in above the low water dam. Wonder how much it will cost to scoop it out of there.
That was to be an obvious from the very beginning, but Mayor Inhofe in his above all judgment kept saying over and over again it was self cleaning. Yeah right. It used to be called, "Inhofe's folly."
Remember during the "put water in the river" campaign when the river was dry?
The news story at the time said they were doing Zink Dam seal work.
And, this mornings' TW says they're NOT able to do seal work due to the water level not being low enough.
I know, I'm pretty much always confused, but this doesn't help.
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Originally posted by Vision 2025
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Originally posted by carltonplace
I was amazed by how much sand has filled in above the low water dam. Wonder how much it will cost to scoop it out of there.
Don't really intend to scoup it out, rather the plan is to modify the dam (engineering selection is presently underway) to pass it on downstream as it will just accumulate again.
Kirby, what is the reasoning for there no longer being dredging operations north of the 23rd St. bridge? They ran sand dredges there for ages and I was thinking even after the LWD was put in at 31st.
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Originally posted by citizen72
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Originally posted by carltonplace
I was amazed by how much sand has filled in above the low water dam. Wonder how much it will cost to scoop it out of there.
That was to be an obvious from the very beginning, but Mayor Inhofe in his above all judgment kept saying over and over again it was self cleaning. Yeah right. It used to be called, "Inhofe's folly."
I doubt Inhofe was responsible for the engineering on the project and was going off of what the project engineers had told the city.
I do realize there were some things about the Zink Lake project which were questionable judgement on Inhofe's part, but I don't think this was one which points directly to him.
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Originally posted by Wrinkle
Remember during the "put water in the river" campaign when the river was dry?
The news story at the time said they were doing Zink Dam seal work.
And, this mornings' TW says they're NOT able to do seal work due to the water level not being low enough.
I know, I'm pretty much always confused, but this doesn't help.
They dried it out some months ago to inspect the dam.
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Originally posted by Conan71
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Originally posted by citizen72
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Originally posted by carltonplace
I was amazed by how much sand has filled in above the low water dam. Wonder how much it will cost to scoop it out of there.
That was to be an obvious from the very beginning, but Mayor Inhofe in his above all judgment kept saying over and over again it was self cleaning. Yeah right. It used to be called, "Inhofe's folly."
I doubt Inhofe was responsible for the engineering on the project and was going off of what the project engineers had told the city.
I do realize there were some things about the Zink Lake project which were questionable judgement on Inhofe's part, but I don't think this was one which points directly to him.
From my viewpoint having been involved I have to say it was definitely his responsibility. It had to be his way or there was going to be hell to pay. He was told by the engineers that it would fill with sand. His response was we will just scope it out. Yes it has his name on it big time.
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Originally posted by Wrinkle
Remember during the "put water in the river" campaign when the river was dry?
The news story at the time said they were doing Zink Dam seal work.
And, this mornings' TW says they're NOT able to do seal work due to the water level not being low enough.
I know, I'm pretty much always confused, but this doesn't help.
The previous attempt (by PSO and RPA) was canceled when the river flows came up following the long dry run of the previous season. This most recent dry up was coordinated by the Corps to accommodate a weeks worth of maintenance work, (we understand at Keystone). The Corps also requested assistance from Tulsa County was able to grub and reshape the lower island. As for the gate seals RPA and PSO were ready however the flow never dropped sufficiently to make the seal repairs... the lowest it ever got was 6" through the gates with all three down the entire time.... just to much local inflow between here and Zink and Keystone.
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Originally posted by Conan71
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Originally posted by Vision 2025
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Originally posted by carltonplace
I was amazed by how much sand has filled in above the low water dam. Wonder how much it will cost to scoop it out of there.
Don't really intend to scoup it out, rather the plan is to modify the dam (engineering selection is presently underway) to pass it on downstream as it will just accumulate again.
Kirby, what is the reasoning for there no longer being dredging operations north of the 23rd St. bridge? They ran sand dredges there for ages and I was thinking even after the LWD was put in at 31st.
Dredging at Zink
1. The little dredge purchased after Zink was constructed was damaged in a storm, flipped over as I recall. The only good it ever did was when Tulsa County used it to clean out the par 3 lake at LaFortune Park...
2. The sand depth to rock is not really sufficient for a good dredging operation; you need a hole or a deep bar to dredge effectively.
3. For commercial use, there is insufficient processing area nearby, the raw sand would have to be trucked to where it could be processed... double to triple handling compared to regular commercial sand operations = $$$
4. Lastly, poor sand quality for today's market (too uniform a gradation and small fines content)... I suspect this plus number 2 may be why sand mining operations stopped at the 23rd street batch plant area more than 30 years ago.
Kirby
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Originally posted by citizen72
Why don't they rip-rap the perimeter of the island while they are at it. Sand is very mobile and they will just have to do it again and again. Rip-rap above the normal water line and it will really help.
Good question. However; the issue being addressed by the County, for the Corps, is not really one of sand migration from the island tops as much as it is one of vegetation removal, the sand was being pushed from the surrounding area as a way to deepen the water adjacent to the island so as to hopefully stop 4 legged predators from converting nesting terns into a scooby snack.
I find it interesting that they ever really used that area for sand dredging. The sand isnt that deep, the bare bedrock can be seen in many places. The shore is mostly sand in many places, less so upstream, but there is a lot more sand in places in southern parts of Tulsa. The river is narrower and faster near downtown, and wider and slower out south, thus its more likely to drop sand there. Probably was convenient in early years and you could get enough to make it worthwhile. But now with the shoreline mostly "locked in" and better sandy areas out south, the sand in Zink lake will mostly be from siltation. A lot of upstream silt is now trapped in Keystone lake. Again, its not that far down to bedrock and once you scrape up what you can, your done till it builds up again. Dont know how long it takes to silt up?