Apparently they are going to tear down buildings on the property which are within the historic trust to build a Chipotles. Chipotles has renovated existing buildings before to preserve historical charcateristics....why can't they do it now?
pancakes is it going to take in this town to start doing sensible development?
I thought Chipotles was all about green development and sustainability. Re-using an existing building would fall more along those philosophical lines rather than a rape and scrape and all the energy that requires.
Okay, well, I guess they are green when it's convenient or trendy for marketing purposes.
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Originally posted by Conan71
I thought Chipotles was all about green development and sustainability. Re-using an existing building would fall more along those philosophical lines rather than a rape and scrape and all the energy that requires.
Okay, well, I guess they are green when it's convenient or trendy for marketing purposes.
The problem is developers KNOW they have run of this town. They know they only have to be green and sensitive when they come into a municipality who won't put up with their ****. After sitting through hours of the TMAPC meeting last night I can tell you the citizens of this town are ****ED when it comes to getting sensible development.
Which buildings are they proposing to scrape? The antique stores?
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Originally posted by AVERAGE JOE
Which buildings are they proposing to scrape? The antique stores?
Southwest corner of East 15th Street and South Trenton Avenue
Is this the right area?
http://www.costar.com/FreeSearch/imageviewer/GetImage.aspx?id=3EBC6921B36EB224C28ED137E12DE451&ShowNoImageCell=false (//%22http://www.costar.com/FreeSearch/imageviewer/GetImage.aspx?id=3EBC6921B36EB224C28ED137E12DE451&ShowNoImageCell=false%22)
That looks to be NE.
The parking lot for Panera?
One of these buildings???
(http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p206/tshane250/Tulsa%2011-10-07/PB100233.jpg)
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Originally posted by tshane250
One of these buildings???
(http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p206/tshane250/Tulsa%2011-10-07/PB100233.jpg)
I can't see your pictures but it is two buildings I think on the SW corner. it might just be one though. They didn't say much about it because it was getting deferred but something about the parking out back was non compliant and they needed more I think.
Parking density rules in this town are ****ed up.
If that's right, that's real wrong.
I like the photo back toward Jazzmo's. 15th street has spider veins in it's asphalt.
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Originally posted by Wrinkle
If that's right, that's real wrong.
a representative from Swan Lake was there last night but "miss preservation" cantrell just sorta gave lip service that the TMAPC couldn't do anything really (usual excuse, yet they do things when they really need to).
I'd like to see some real information before jumping to any conclusions. The SW corner is very much operating businesses in buildings in decent shape.
I'm betting it's the NE corner that is up for sale:
http://www.costar.com/FreeSearch/Detail/Detail.aspx?p=3EBC6921B36EB224C28ED137E12DE451
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Originally posted by sgrizzle
I'd like to see some real information before jumping to any conclusions. The SW corner is very much operating businesses in buildings in decent shape.
I'm betting it's the NE corner that is up for sale:
http://www.costar.com/FreeSearch/Detail/Detail.aspx?p=3EBC6921B36EB224C28ED137E12DE451
listen. I was at the TMAPC meeting last night, I pulled the location description right out of the Exhibit. Unless INCOG is COMPLETELY inept, it is the SW corner of 15th/Trenton. That is why a Swan Lake person was there. They are going to scrape one or more buildings on that corner to build a Chipotles. If you don't believe me DVR the entire TMAPC meeting tomorrow at 8 am.
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Originally posted by inteller
Unless INCOG is COMPLETELY inept,
coffee spitting laugh of the day- that one's so obvious. [}:)]
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Originally posted by inteller
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Originally posted by sgrizzle
I'd like to see some real information before jumping to any conclusions. The SW corner is very much operating businesses in buildings in decent shape.
I'm betting it's the NE corner that is up for sale:
http://www.costar.com/FreeSearch/Detail/Detail.aspx?p=3EBC6921B36EB224C28ED137E12DE451
listen. I was at the TMAPC meeting last night, I pulled the location description right out of the Exhibit. Unless INCOG is COMPLETELY inept, it is the SW corner of 15th/Trenton. That is why a Swan Lake person was there. They are going to scrape one or more buildings on that corner to build a Chipotles. If you don't believe me DVR the entire TMAPC meeting tomorrow at 8 am.
I dealt with someone today who didn't know which corner of an intersection their own house was on, you dealt with a developer who think 4-to-fix is widening 101st, we're not exactly dealing with mental giants.
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Originally posted by Conan71
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Originally posted by inteller
Unless INCOG is COMPLETELY inept,
coffee spitting laugh of the day- that one's so obvious. [}:)]
if you want to get depressed about citizen commissions and INCOG, just watch the TMAPC meeting from last night.
The funniest thing, watch when 4 o clock comes around during the meeting, the guvmint wurkers (INCOG) split out of there. ( I think Chris Sansone stayed around a little longer) So there goes all of your ability to query staff on specific issues.
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Originally posted by sgrizzle
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Originally posted by inteller
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Originally posted by sgrizzle
I'd like to see some real information before jumping to any conclusions. The SW corner is very much operating businesses in buildings in decent shape.
I'm betting it's the NE corner that is up for sale:
http://www.costar.com/FreeSearch/Detail/Detail.aspx?p=3EBC6921B36EB224C28ED137E12DE451
listen. I was at the TMAPC meeting last night, I pulled the location description right out of the Exhibit. Unless INCOG is COMPLETELY inept, it is the SW corner of 15th/Trenton. That is why a Swan Lake person was there. They are going to scrape one or more buildings on that corner to build a Chipotles. If you don't believe me DVR the entire TMAPC meeting tomorrow at 8 am.
I dealt with someone today who didn't know which corner of an intersection their own house was on, you dealt with a developer who think 4-to-fix is widening 101st, we're not exactly dealing with mental giants.
speaking of mental giants. TMAPC member Midgett (the mayor's
lapdog,"appointee")had the AUDACITY to suggest reverse spike strips (like you see at rental car return lots) to prevent people from coming in one of the entrances across from a neighborhood street.
Sorry bub, but this isn't north Tulsa. If Target did that they would be the ONLY big box in town to have such draconian (and potentially illegal) methods of controlling traffic. But of course the weasel developers said they would be perfectly ok with those. The ridiculous of some of the suggestions made you wonder what planet these people live on.
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Originally posted by inteller
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Originally posted by tshane250
One of these buildings???
(http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p206/tshane250/Tulsa%2011-10-07/PB100233.jpg)
I can't see your pictures but it is two buildings I think on the SW corner. it might just be one though. They didn't say much about it because it was getting deferred but something about the parking out back was non compliant and they needed more I think.
Parking density rules in this town are ****ed up.
I could see them scraping that building RIGHT on the SW corner with the green banner in the windows - it's empty - used to be an insurance company and a printing shop before that...
Hate to see that kind of nonsense happen due to outdated parking requirements. UGH. Here we go again.
The city hasn't succesfully made 85th Ave into the neighborhood north of Woodland Hills one-way yet despite years of trying.
I want details confirmed first, but if true, this is so, so stupid. Someone or some entity needs to get its head out of its arse.
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Originally posted by sgrizzle
The city hasn't succesfully made 85th Ave into the neighborhood north of Woodland Hills one-way yet despite years of trying.
Are you talking about the spot that pops out behind Wal-mart? There is no way to turn into the neighborhood, only a left or right out of the neighborhood.
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Originally posted by Floyd
I want details confirmed first, but if true, this is so, so stupid. Someone or some entity needs to get its head out of its arse.
well, there is not much to confirm other than how much is getting torn down. Swan lake is on top of it but they are going to get screwed just like our HOA did. INCOG and TMAPC repeatedly shows (through claiming helplessness) that they don't give a damn about neighborhoods.
OK, let's try to inject some facts into this conversation:
Chipoltle's will utilize the EXISTING building on the SW corner of 15th and Trenton. They want to tear down one small house BEHIND the building for parking. The historic district line is drawn just SOUTH of that house. The house that they want to tear down is not in the historic district and it is zoned OL, so they don't even have to ask permission to do this.
They will build a security fence behind the parking lot to shield it from the neighboring homes. They want a variance related to the amount of landscaping that will be along the back strip of the parking lot. (Their plan includes some, but not a continuous 5' strip.) They also want a variance for a sign in the front.
I'm personally against additional signage in front, as it would just clutter up Cherry Street unnecessarily. They will have plenty of storefront space for their sign.
I wish they didn't want to tear down the house for parking (they could ask for a variance for LESS parking, but there is no reason for them to bother, legally). However, I'm happy they will be preserving the building on Cherry Street, and putting the parking in the rear.
BOA meeting is next Tues, 2/26/08 at 1:00 PM.
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Originally posted by PonderInc
OK, let's try to inject some facts into this conversation:
Chipoltle's will utilize the EXISTING building on the SW corner of 15th and Trenton. They want to tear down one small house BEHIND the building for parking. The historic district line is drawn just SOUTH of that house. The house that they want to tear down is not in the historic district and it is zoned OL, so they don't even have to ask permission to do this.
They will build a security fence behind the parking lot to shield it from the neighboring homes. They want a variance related to the amount of landscaping that will be along the back strip of the parking lot. (Their plan includes some, but not a continuous 5' strip.) They also want a variance for a sign in the front.
I'm personally against additional signage in front, as it would just clutter up Cherry Street unnecessarily. They will have plenty of storefront space for their sign.
I wish they didn't want to tear down the house for parking (they could ask for a variance for LESS parking, but there is no reason for them to bother, legally). However, I'm happy they will be preserving the building on Cherry Street, and putting the parking in the rear.
BOA meeting is next Tues, 2/26/08 at 1:00 PM.
REAL FACTS!?!?!?!?
So they want to tear down this house?
(http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p206/tshane250/Miscellaneous/15th_and_Trenton.jpg)
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Originally posted by PonderInc
OK, let's try to inject some facts into this conversation:
Chipoltle's will utilize the EXISTING building on the SW corner of 15th and Trenton. They want to tear down one small house BEHIND the building for parking. The historic district line is drawn just SOUTH of that house. The house that they want to tear down is not in the historic district and it is zoned OL, so they don't even have to ask permission to do this.
They will build a security fence behind the parking lot to shield it from the neighboring homes. They want a variance related to the amount of landscaping that will be along the back strip of the parking lot. (Their plan includes some, but not a continuous 5' strip.) They also want a variance for a sign in the front.
I'm personally against additional signage in front, as it would just clutter up Cherry Street unnecessarily. They will have plenty of storefront space for their sign.
I wish they didn't want to tear down the house for parking (they could ask for a variance for LESS parking, but there is no reason for them to bother, legally). However, I'm happy they will be preserving the building on Cherry Street, and putting the parking in the rear.
BOA meeting is next Tues, 2/26/08 at 1:00 PM.
Works for me, thanks for quelling the rumor mill.
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Originally posted by PonderInc
OK, let's try to inject some facts into this conversation:
Chipoltle's will utilize the EXISTING building on the SW corner of 15th and Trenton. They want to tear down one small house BEHIND the building for parking. The historic district line is drawn just SOUTH of that house. The house that they want to tear down is not in the historic district and it is zoned OL, so they don't even have to ask permission to do this.
They will build a security fence behind the parking lot to shield it from the neighboring homes. They want a variance related to the amount of landscaping that will be along the back strip of the parking lot. (Their plan includes some, but not a continuous 5' strip.) They also want a variance for a sign in the front.
I'm personally against additional signage in front, as it would just clutter up Cherry Street unnecessarily. They will have plenty of storefront space for their sign.
I wish they didn't want to tear down the house for parking (they could ask for a variance for LESS parking, but there is no reason for them to bother, legally). However, I'm happy they will be preserving the building on Cherry Street, and putting the parking in the rear.
BOA meeting is next Tues, 2/26/08 at 1:00 PM.
That will be a great place for a Chipotle. It's dumb that we don't alter parking requirements for dense districts like Cherry Street, though.
here is my problem. Chipoltes is a high traffic/volume place. They don't want people staying. They want a constant feeder line of people ordering burritos and leaving. For that reason you dont need more parking. They should do the responsible thing and ask for a parking reduction.
Seems kind of redundant with Qudoba within 100 ft....Not to mention the fact they could lease Bourbon Street which will be gone soon....I kind it gets blocked.....The retail space is a better fit than another chain....
Chipotle's will do killer business in that location. It will blow the doors off of Qdoba. Qdoba is not very good, not near as good as Chipotle. AS for the parking, that district should have special parking variances. It is not 72st street where over half the acreage is the parking lot in front of the building. It is an older neighborhood where I park once and stroll down the street checking out all the galleries. I do not drive from front door to front door. And by the way, the fine for not putting the money in the meter is $15. I now make sure I have change when heading to 15th.
Agreed x a million on the parking thing. Brookside needs a couple of garages behind the storefronts and the parking restrictions removed for everything facing 15th between utica and peoria.
Got to this thread late. Read Chipoltes and glanced right over it. But wow had my heart sink reading the first few responses. Am glad they are not tearing down that building. (and shaaaaame on you tulsa1603 for suggesting that it would be ok[V]) But this once again shows that we as a city need to do something to make sure that something is in place to prevent the tearing down of older buildings that are a positive, contributing, part of the defining character of an area. Plus the parking issue also needs to be addressed.
Sounds like most everything will go ok in this instance, but the very fact that we must still be worried shows we have work to do.
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Originally posted by joiei
Chipotle's will do killer business in that location. It will blow the doors off of Qdoba. Qdoba is not very good, not near as good as Chipotle. AS for the parking, that district should have special parking variances. It is not 72st street where over half the acreage is the parking lot in front of the building. It is an older neighborhood where I park once and stroll down the street checking out all the galleries. I do not drive from front door to front door. And by the way, the fine for not putting the money in the meter is $15. I now make sure I have change when heading to 15th.
I agree. Qdoba might as well close up shop now. Chipotle's atmosphere is a perfect fit for Cherry St.
First of all, I can't wait for this. I've been eating there for years, and I live near downtown.
Second. IT IS CALLED CHIPOTLE!!!!!
Why are all of you putting an unnecessary 'S' on the end of it.
Sorry, I have some sort of pet pieve with people adding and S to the end of the names of establishments. You never hear about someone going to Quiktrip's.
I guess it's because people have been adding an s to the end of my name for as long as I can remember, and there is no s in my last name.
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Originally posted by Floyd
That will be a great place for a Chipotle. It's dumb that we don't alter parking requirements for dense districts like Cherry Street, though.
I with you on the parking reductions for urban nodes and corridors such as Cherry St. but try to float that thought the public process and you will get hammered by the Swan Lakers and Brooksiders. The idea of a general parking reduction opens up the door for an even greater concentration of restaurants and bars in their minds and both of those hoods will fight you vigorously. Never mind the business owners that have their required parking and will complain about other's patrons parking in their lots.
I shouldn't be a polly-piss-on-the-parade because it's a more than reasonable solution but it's an idea that will take some political will to get through to adoption into the Codes.
A good parking structure in at least both those hoods would do wonders but where you going to put it. They floated the idea of a parking garage in Brookside for a while and no property owner wanted to host it and no homeowner wanted it near them so the City finally put the idea to rest and moved on to more receptive ideas. I'm fairly certain there's a host in Cherry St. just behind the Colonial Bldg. but no one's floating a garage in that hood. Maria certainly seems more interested in enforcing her position as Ward boss than pursuing proactive urban solutions.
Back to the primary topic:
Chipoltes parking lot is not unlike most others in Cherry St. Unfortunately they are not interested working in a solution that keeps the decent looking house behind them. The City has NO ordinance whatsoever they could use or INCOG could enforce that could keep that house from being scraped. As it is zoned OL there is no ordinance that can prevent them from putting in a parking lot to some degree.
The removable sign on the sidewalk is over kill in this urban context and really not necessary; they don't have a hardship for that variance request to the Board of Adjustment. They are going to put in an outdoor dining area on that massive sidewalk/parking on Trenton Av.
When I first read this thread I thought I was getting a bleeding ulcer. I love those buildings and used to wait to catch the bus in front of them when I was a kid. My first apartment was a garage apt just a few doors down on Trenton. Cherry St. needs structured parking or else we will see buildings like this torn down to make way for parking. I think the parking lot behind the subway on Rockford would make an excellent location, given it's central location and existing use as a parking lot.
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Originally posted by tulsascoot
First of all, I can't wait for this. I've been eating there for years, and I live near downtown.
Second. IT IS CALLED CHIPOTLE!!!!!
Why are all of you putting an unnecessary 'S' on the end of it.
Sorry, I have some sort of pet pieve with people adding and S to the end of the names of establishments. You never hear about someone going to Quiktrip's.
I guess it's because people have been adding an s to the end of my name for as long as I can remember, and there is no s in my last name.
The thread title has the L and T backwards, if you want to nitpick.
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Originally posted by Double A
When I first read this thread I thought I was getting a bleeding ulcer. I love those buildings and used to wait to catch the bus in front of them when I was a kid. My first apartment was a garage apt just a few doors down on Trenton. Cherry St. needs structured parking or else we will see buildings like this torn down to make way for parking. I think the parking lot behind the subway on Rockford would make an excellent location, given it's central location and existing use as a parking lot.
AA, remember when it was a Schwegman's Laundry? Used to do my clothes there. What about putting a parking garage with a nice facade where the oh so ugly car wash sits? Then run a little electric step on/off tram up and down the street. Would be very convenient.
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Originally posted by waterboy
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Originally posted by Double A
When I first read this thread I thought I was getting a bleeding ulcer. I love those buildings and used to wait to catch the bus in front of them when I was a kid. My first apartment was a garage apt just a few doors down on Trenton. Cherry St. needs structured parking or else we will see buildings like this torn down to make way for parking. I think the parking lot behind the subway on Rockford would make an excellent location, given it's central location and existing use as a parking lot.
AA, remember when it was a Schwegman's Laundry? Used to do my clothes there. What about putting a parking garage with a nice facade where the oh so ugly car wash sits? Then run a little electric step on/off tram up and down the street. Would be very convenient.
WALK! ya lazy b@stards. Its good for your health.
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Originally posted by inteller
here is my problem. Chipoltes is a high traffic/volume place. They don't want people staying. They want a constant feeder line of people ordering burritos and leaving. For that reason you dont need more parking. They should do the responsible thing and ask for a parking reduction.
How does one go about asking for a parking reduction? Someone should suggest it to the company- they might listen if they are able to save money by not buying/tearing down the house behind the restaurant building.
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Originally posted by perspicuity85
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Originally posted by inteller
here is my problem. Chipoltes is a high traffic/volume place. They don't want people staying. They want a constant feeder line of people ordering burritos and leaving. For that reason you dont need more parking. They should do the responsible thing and ask for a parking reduction.
How does one go about asking for a parking reduction? Someone should suggest it to the company- they might listen if they are able to save money by not buying/tearing down the house behind the restaurant building.
I know that the BOA staff person asked the architect of record to have Chipotle consider requesting a Variance of some of the total parking requirement and use the north and west sides of the house to accommodate a little parking. He said that Chipotle wasn't interested in that idea.
INCOG has the new agenda up, here is the link to the exhibit for this case: http://www.incog.org/City%20of%20Tulsa%20BOA/BOA%20Agenda/20637a.pdf
And more specific to your question. A property owner can ask the Board of Adjustment for a parking variance. There are some strict rules guiding the grant of a variance however parking variances have been granted up and down Cherry St. for a very long time due mostly in part to the historic compact fabric. I think there are parking variances on Chipotle's property but obviously they don't cover the restaurants needs.
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Originally posted by waterboy
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Originally posted by Double A
When I first read this thread I thought I was getting a bleeding ulcer. I love those buildings and used to wait to catch the bus in front of them when I was a kid. My first apartment was a garage apt just a few doors down on Trenton. Cherry St. needs structured parking or else we will see buildings like this torn down to make way for parking. I think the parking lot behind the subway on Rockford would make an excellent location, given it's central location and existing use as a parking lot.
AA, remember when it was a Schwegman's Laundry? Used to do my clothes there. What about putting a parking garage with a nice facade where the oh so ugly car wash sits? Then run a little electric step on/off tram up and down the street. Would be very convenient.
Schwegman's might have been before my time, but I do remember the cleaners that used to be there. As far as the car wash goes, that would require tearing down more of the houses in that area, I really would hate to see that happen. Especially since the guy who lives directly behind it just spent so much time and money restoring his house.
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Originally posted by perspicuity85
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Originally posted by inteller
here is my problem. Chipoltes is a high traffic/volume place. They don't want people staying. They want a constant feeder line of people ordering burritos and leaving. For that reason you dont need more parking. They should do the responsible thing and ask for a parking reduction.
How does one go about asking for a parking reduction? Someone should suggest it to the company- they might listen if they are able to save money by not buying/tearing down the house behind the restaurant building.
They don't have much in the way of nearby parking either. Plus, the aforementioned flow will be stifled greatly if it takes you 10 minutes to park and get inside. It's parking behind the building, and the spots can be used by mutiple businesses. I have no problem with it.
I just hope parking doesn't trickle more into the neighborhood (southward on Trenton) than it already does. I used to live on Trenton between 16th and 17th...and the lunchtime crowd would edge that far south every now and then.
Probably shouldn't have bothered me...but...
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Originally posted by charky
I just hope parking doesn't trickle more into the neighborhood (southward on Trenton) than it already does. I used to live on Trenton between 16th and 17th...and the lunchtime crowd would edge that far south every now and then.
Probably shouldn't have bothered me...but...
Thats life in the big city. [:)] That type of thing is only going to happen more often.
There is enough places to eat along Cherry Street....
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Originally posted by TheArtist
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Originally posted by charky
I just hope parking doesn't trickle more into the neighborhood (southward on Trenton) than it already does. I used to live on Trenton between 16th and 17th...and the lunchtime crowd would edge that far south every now and then.
Probably shouldn't have bothered me...but...
Thats life in the big city. [:)] That type of thing is only going to happen more often.
****, this is Tulsa not Chicago. big city? give me a break
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Originally posted by tulsascoot
First of all, I can't wait for this. I've been eating there for years, and I live near downtown.
Second. IT IS CALLED CHIPOTLE!!!!!
Why are all of you putting an unnecessary 'S' on the end of it.
Sorry, I have some sort of pet pieve with people adding and S to the end of the names of establishments. You never hear about someone going to Quiktrip's.
I guess it's because people have been adding an s to the end of my name for as long as I can remember, and there is no s in my last name.
Wow! It's good to know I am not the only person with this pet peeve. A few of my friends do it and it drives me absolutely crazy. Anyways, to contribute to the topic...My parents love Chipotle and would eat there every time they went to dallas (generally once a month or every two months). They were excited to see the one at 71st and 169. I personally had never tried it until they came to Tulsa and I must say I wasn't that impressed at all. Our food was cold, and we waited in line for quite some time. Maybe its because it is a smaller store and fairly new, but I haven't gone back since.
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Originally posted by TheArtist
Got to this thread late. Read Chipoltes and glanced right over it. But wow had my heart sink reading the first few responses. Am glad they are not tearing down that building. (and shaaaaame on you tulsa1603 for suggesting that it would be ok[V]) But this once again shows that we as a city need to do something to make sure that something is in place to prevent the tearing down of older buildings that are a positive, contributing, part of the defining character of an area. Plus the parking issue also needs to be addressed.
Sounds like most everything will go ok in this instance, but the very fact that we must still be worried shows we have work to do.
Sorry didn't mean to give that impression. I was just saying I could "see" it, meaning I could imagine their line of thought, not that I supported it. [8D] I'm not all that excited by Chipotle, personally.
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Originally posted by tulsascoot
Why are all of you putting an unnecessary 'S' on the end of it.
Tulsascoots cracks mes ups
Chipolte = Detrement to the neighborhood.
yea....another chain restaurant....b o r i n g.
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Originally posted by ARGUS
Chipolte = Detrement to the neighborhood.
yea....another chain restaurant....b o r i n g.
The detriment comment was because the OP thought that Chipotle was tearing down a historic Cherry St building which was incorrect.
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Originally posted by sgrizzle
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Originally posted by ARGUS
Chipolte = Detrement to the neighborhood.
yea....another chain restaurant....b o r i n g.
The detriment comment was because the OP thought that Chipotle was tearing down a historic Cherry St building which was incorrect.
I agree that another chain restaurant on Cherry St is a detriment, especially since there is already a similar restaurant a few blocks away. I am hoping for more variety in dining options on Cherry St. I'd love to see a Desi Wok or India Palace open up on Cherry St.
Found out this location was deemed to be unsafe for any dining establishment due to ground contamination. They are now "looking at a closed bar on the other side of the street" and are shooting for a november opening.
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Originally posted by sgrizzle
Found out this location was deemed to be unsafe for any dining establishment due to ground contamination.
whoops! someone is left holding the bag on that dump now.
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Originally posted by sgrizzle
Found out this location was deemed to be unsafe for any dining establishment due to ground contamination. They are now "looking at a closed bar on the other side of the street" and are shooting for a november opening.
Ground contamination? As stated earlier in this thread, wasn't a Dry Cleaners a long time tenant? Shouldn't it be easy enough to determine the contaminate and make them be held accountable if it is dry cleaning chemicals? Dining establishments go in over old gas stations all the time. What would deem this site
to be unsafe for any dining establishment due to ground contamination?
I'm sure in those gas stations they removed the tanks with no issue. If it was a dry cleaners, I'm guessing they had years of chemical seepage and getting them to clean it up after the fact could take awhile.
well the neighbors to the back should be happy(?) That spot is practically a dead zone now. On the other hand, they have to be concerned on what might be seeping into their back yards.
If a gas station has a leaky tank, they have to excavate all the contaminated soil and replace it with "clean" dirt. This is expensive, but not that hard b/c the tanks are buried away from the building, and the excavation doesn't involve the structure. At a dry-cleaners, the chemicals are being stored IN the building. I wonder how you clean THAT up?
I was looking forward to an adaptive re-use of that building. (And the occasional Barbacoa burrito...) Hope somebody else can use the site safely. Dang.
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Originally posted by sgrizzle
Found out this location was deemed to be unsafe for any dining establishment due to ground contamination. They are now "looking at a closed bar on the other side of the street" and are shooting for a november opening.
The building at the SE corner of 15th and Trenton?? That is also a cool old building that would be a good place for Chipotle, is there a vacancy? I wish they would build new where that car wash is right by there, that thing needs to go...
Too bad they already tore down the duplex.