I figured everyone else would have got their photos online before me? Either that or I have overlooked where everyone is posting their pics.[:D] It was great getting to meet a few of the people on here that I hadn't seen before. For some reason I thought Cannon Fodder was some stubborn old stogie and have been giving him quite a hard time on some threads. Little did I know he is just a "wet behind the ears" kid. From the looks of it, probably about oh... 12, give or take a year or two.[8D] Now I feel bad for being impatient and rude at times. The meeting after the tour had some interesting ideas come up. I hope we can follow up on a few of them, like the downtown restaurant guide and the lecture/speaker ideas.
Anywoo, here are a few pics that I took. At least the ones where DScott wasn't in the way.[:P]
(http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/4452/aimg2445webdq8.jpg)
(http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/6685/aimg2484webip3.jpg)
(http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/6898/aimg2483webgs3.jpg)
(http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/7265/aimg2468webtk0.jpg)
(http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/6824/aimg2485webvn2.jpg)
(http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/4056/aimg2489webvo2.jpg)
http://www.tulsanow.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=8876
More pics at the link above. Also, the brand-spankin' new TulsaNOW Flickr group is in the aforementioned thread as well (shout out to sgrizz for putting it together).
And it was nice to finally meet you, Artist!
Woot, thanks Artist!
But you were right, we beat you to it:
http://www.tulsanow.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=8876
But we may be better served with a couple threads as these are sure to grow in size (Kb wise).
BTW: You got GREAT pictures of the skyline, with the people in them it adds an awesome sense of scale.
quote:
For some reason I thought Cannon Fodder was some stubborn old stogie and have been giving him quite a hard time on some threads. Little did I know he is just a "wet behind the ears" kid. From the looks of it, probably about oh... 12, give or take a year or two. Now I feel bad for being impatient and rude at times.
Bah! My profile says my age, I've got a kid in TPS, and I just posted today that I mostly had CDs in my music collection. I'll assume you associated my maturity level with being much older and wiser (oh man, I'm telling my wife that one when she gets home). At least I know you're not stalking me - or you're not very good at it anyway. [:P] Oh well, it isn't the first time I've been accused of looking young, nor will it be the last I suppose (new user Lil Bit was giving me crap and I just met her tonight!).
Maybe I should take up smoking to age myself like a fine smoked meat. Conan said something or other about that being a good idea if I remember correctly.
Anyway, fear not on hurting my poor little feelings. You have never been rude or insulting and I expect no additional patience, 12 year olds need to learn how to behave somehow... you "old men" may as well teach me. [}:)]
It was great meeting everyone and I hope to make it to more real world functions in the future. Someone start a "things to follow up on thread" tomorrow when we're coherent again (I have a couple projects I'd like to suggest also).
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Originally posted by TheArtist
Anywoo, here are a few pics that I took. At least the ones where DScott wasn't in the way.[:P]
Hey! That's completely uncalled for... I can't even find myself annnnywhere in those pics [:P].
I'll get all my pics up when my DSL starts working again. For some reason, the wireless always works but the landline doesn't. So, my desktop (which has all the pictures) isn't connected, but my laptop is. [:(!]
And I went walking around downtown after the meeting and got some more shots.
It was nice to meet you all, and it was fun to try and guess (only in my head, of course) who was who. [^]
Regarding the flickr group... I've added 1185 Tulsa pics. [^][^][^]
Video of the tour is now available.
http://www.tulsanow.org
Woot! I'm famous! So are a couple of my pictures.
Good job putting this together.
Any chance of someone having the time to edit it down to 10 minutes so we could post it on YouTube? It might be helpful to someone. Nothing against the current edit (GJ!) nor Google Video, but I think more people use and search YouTube.
Good photos.....Kinda surreal like it's another city...
Great job on the video tour. Thanks for all the work putting that together. [:)]
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Originally posted by cannon_fodder
Woot! I'm famous! So are a couple of my pictures.
Good job putting this together.
Any chance of someone having the time to edit it down to 10 minutes so we could post it on YouTube? It might be helpful to someone. Nothing against the current edit (GJ!) nor Google Video, but I think more people use and search YouTube.
Andrew Bryant was the one with the video camera, you might have to hit him up for that. I thought youtube had a file size limit and not a time one.
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Originally posted by sgrizzle
quote:
Originally posted by cannon_fodder
Woot! I'm famous! So are a couple of my pictures.
Good job putting this together.
Any chance of someone having the time to edit it down to 10 minutes so we could post it on YouTube? It might be helpful to someone. Nothing against the current edit (GJ!) nor Google Video, but I think more people use and search YouTube.
Andrew Bryant was the one with the video camera, you might have to hit him up for that. I thought youtube had a file size limit and not a time one.
Quite a spectacle.
Wonder how big of a yawning hole will be blown in the city's annual operating budget by the new Arena when it finally opens,
FIVE YEARS after voters approved the new tax in September 2003?
Remember the Billy-Bob sales pitch: It's all about jobs! They're usefulness exhausted, they've been disposed of by the local Oligarchy rulers. But, we still have the tax until 2017....
Just the utility costs alone will be very pricey. We'll get to heat and cool that giant edifice even when it sits starkly empty....
Imagine refrigerating 24 x 7 x 365 the ICE below the Arena's gigantic floor, at what annual costs?
Note to stock Broker: Buy stock in AEP.
Add the debt service on the Mayor's Borg Cube, and we may want to all move to Haskell to escape the coming tax increases.
Remember, Mayor Taylor is a High Maintenance woman. Ask her husband, and his ex-wife.
But, it's all about APPEARANCES, right?
Not all about PRIORITIES.....???
Driven the sad state of the city streets lately?
Nothing that $1.6 billion in more taxes won't fix, right?
Well, at least we have an Iconic Arena as a consolation prize.
And, no KAISER RIVER TAX.
Yet.
[V]
Someone woke up on the grumpy side of the cave.
Just a bear digging through the trash...nothing new to see here...keep moving.
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Originally posted by RecycleMichael
Just a bear digging through the trash...nothing new to see here...keep moving.
He's just warming up for votes on a baseball stadium and streets.
quote:
Originally posted by RecycleMichael
Just a bear digging through the trash...nothing new to see here...keep moving.
This friendly bear is distressed that the State of Oklahoma will soon issue hunting permits on his black bear cousins.
Who's next?
Smokey Bear's mother??
[?]
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Originally posted by Friendly Bear
Who's next?
Smokey Bear's mother??
[?]
Come now, you know better than to attempt to tug on my heartstrings...
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Originally posted by swake
quote:
Originally posted by RecycleMichael
Just a bear digging through the trash...nothing new to see here...keep moving.
He's just warming up for votes on a baseball stadium and streets.
Well, let's just connect some supposedly unconnected threads, shall we?
County Commissioner Randi "Randy" Miller and her co-conspirators give the boot to a 50+ year old, successful local ICON renting a small portion of the Tulsa County Fairgrounds.
Good-bye Bell's.
Thanks, for the happy memories.......Good-bye!
The Drillers then move downtown, if the taxpayers pony $70 million to replace the Fairgounds' perfectly adequate AA League Driller Stadium.
Motto: If it aint' broke, FIX IT anyway. Cause, if you build it they will come:
Down-town.
Won't they?
Nah, it's not really that scary walking Downtown to your car after a Driller's baseball game, a scant five blocks or so after 10 p.m.
Not scary at all....
You SCARED of the Boogy-Man?
Commissioner Randy Miller and her co-conspirators then level the perfectly adequate old Driller Stadium, AND the horse racing track.
Murphy Brothers then is surprisingly selected to build a State-of-the-Art Amusement Park on the recently leveled former location of the Driller Stadium and the Horse Racing Track.
They name their NEW Amusement Park:
Belle's.
And, just coincidently, Mr. Murphy's wife (Belle?) continues to be Commissioner Randi "
Poolboy-Toy" Miller's largest campaign contributor.
Attention Mr. Buchert:
She's finally getting a divorce...
Leave it to the
Tulsa World to gently break it to your wife, again? Like her outing during the last Mayoral campaign?
Remember?
Wasn't that soooooo sweet of the Lorton's World?
As usual, the Flint and Rooney Oligarch families share in the construction projects, without competitive bidding, as per SOP?
Matrix Architects and Engineers get the sole-sourced work to design, as per SOP?
F&M and BOK split the bond underwriting proceeds, again, without competitive bidding, as per SOP?
How's that for predicting the future?
Oh, did I mention Kaiser River Tax II prosposal coming in 2010?? Brought to us by Benham Group and Kaiser's BOK?
It'll be
only a measley $0.40 cents for 22 years......
And, it's a TEMPORARY tax, you know.
But... It's
FOR THE CHILDREN.
Just picture the
OUR RIVER TAX II commercials.......happy smiling children, playing in the quicksand-ridden, amoebic dystentery-laced, germ-laden, Arkansas River water.
Welcome to the Banana Republic of Tulsa!
[;)]
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FB when anything moves forward in Tulsa:
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Somebody is in their own straaaange little world. Did anyone actually understand ANY of that? lol
Having gone on the tour, all I can say is that I have never been more excited about the arena. I can't wait to be seated in a packed crowd, actually getting to see the big acts/events that have been skipping right past Tulsa in recent years.
The arena is amazing, and you can't really grasp it until you get inside. The design alone will give us a ton of free publicity, and I belive people will come to Tulsa just to attend events in the arena BECAUSE of the Cesar Pelli design. It's going to be stunning and original. (And waaay more leg room than OKC...which is a selling point to me!)
Can't wait! Bring it on!
As an update, the chiller unit for the ice was delivered and set on Tuesday and they worked on installation all day yesterday. So if we wanted to... technically, we could probably have ice inside the arena (as well as out) this weekend.
TulsaNow skate party? [}:)]
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Originally posted by cannon_fodder
As an update, the chiller unit for the ice was delivered and set on Tuesday and they worked on installation all day yesterday. So if we wanted to... technically, we could probably have ice inside the arena (as well as out) this weekend.
TulsaNow skate party? [}:)]
Lordy, lordy, just IMAGINE the annual electric bill for the Arena.....
Keeping a gigantic block of ice freezing cold 24 x 7 x 365.
AEP is laughing all the way to the bank......
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Originally posted by PonderInc
Having gone on the tour, all I can say is that I have never been more excited about the arena. I can't wait to be seated in a packed crowd, actually getting to see the big acts/events that have been skipping right past Tulsa in recent years.
The arena is amazing, and you can't really grasp it until you get inside. The design alone will give us a ton of free publicity, and I belive people will come to Tulsa just to attend events in the arena BECAUSE of the Cesar Pelli design. It's going to be stunning and original. (And waaay more leg room than OKC...which is a selling point to me!)
Can't wait! Bring it on!
Mayor Chatty Kathy Taylor is leading the TulsaNow EchoChamber Choir and Circus Dog Troupe:
I'm so excited.
I just can't hide it.
I'm about to lose control, and I think I LIKE it.Lyrics courtesy of the Pointer Systers.
[:P]
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Originally posted by Friendly Bear
Lordy, lordy, just IMAGINE the annual electric bill for the Arena.....
Keeping a gigantic block of ice freezing cold 24 x 7 x 365.
AEP is laughing all the way to the bank......
1) How many times are you going to say that?
2) We already do that on 2 other ice venues in Tulsa that I know of. The ice rink near 71st and the convention center. Did you whine about those
3) We will be removing the ice at the convention center when the BOk center opens, so numerically it is a wash.
4) The ice at the BOk center has a newer refrigeration system and a newer blend of concrete. It will be much more efficient than the aging system it replaces. It should use about 40% less energy than the older models with a cost payback time of 8 years or less according to this study:
http://oee.nrcan.gc.ca/publications/infosource/pub/ici/caddet/english/r339.cfm?attr=20
(Study not exactly on point as it is retrofitting older rinks, but the concepts are the same and the Canadians should know!)
So look at it as a damn good investment.
5) The ice is not an added expense in the summer because we are paying to cool the building anyway. The ice adds to that cause so it's cost is a non-issue during those periods (bar minor efficiency issues of course).
6) Here is the City of Tulsa energy plan:
http://www.cityoftulsa.org/Environment/Energy/documents/CityofTulsaEnergyConservationandEfficiencyPlan.pdf
Educate yourself before making a fool of yourself again. Page 18 has the estimates for the BOk Center. If you want to complain, do so about the AC bill, not the ice.
quote:
Originally posted by cannon_fodder
quote:
Originally posted by Friendly Bear
Lordy, lordy, just IMAGINE the annual electric bill for the Arena.....
Keeping a gigantic block of ice freezing cold 24 x 7 x 365.
AEP is laughing all the way to the bank......
1) How many times are you going to say that?
2) We already do that on 2 other ice venues in Tulsa that I know of. The ice rink near 71st and the convention center. Did you whine about those
3) We will be removing the ice at the convention center when the BOk center opens, so numerically it is a wash.
4) The ice at the BOk center has a newer refrigeration system and a newer blend of concrete. It will be much more efficient than the aging system it replaces. It should use about 40% less energy than the older models with a cost payback time of 8 years or less according to this study:
http://oee.nrcan.gc.ca/publications/infosource/pub/ici/caddet/english/r339.cfm?attr=20
(Study not exactly on point as it is retrofitting older rinks, but the concepts are the same and the Canadians should know!)
So look at it as a damn good investment.
5) The ice is not an added expense in the summer because we are paying to cool the building anyway. The ice adds to that cause so it's cost is a non-issue during those periods (bar minor efficiency issues of course).
6) Here is the City of Tulsa energy plan:
http://www.cityoftulsa.org/Environment/Energy/documents/CityofTulsaEnergyConservationandEfficiencyPlan.pdf
Educate yourself before making a fool of yourself again. Page 18 has the estimates for the BOk Center. If you want to complain, do so about the AC bill, not the ice.
Apple Crates and Orange Cases here again.
Isn't the 71st street ice venue PRIVATE; not public. I certainly hope the City of Tulsa is not paying for those utilities cost!
I think it is simply a fantastic idea to pay to HEAT the building from October 'til April while we simultaneously pay to COOL an gigantic slab of ice. Who thought of that brilliant idea. AEP?
Didn't AEP contribute to pass the Vision 2025 tax? $50K?
What a phenomenal return on their investment!!!
Brilliant!
In the summer, trying to help cool a building the size of the BOK arena by refrigerating a giant ice cube is dumber than dumb. Uh, just cool the building DIRECTLY.
Helloooooo?
I do see where the City of Tulsa's energy costs, including Fuel, accelerated 46.2% in the past five years.
Ouch!
Wonder if it's time to end the ruinously expensive Tulsa Police Department Car Take-Home policy? 800 cars for 800 policemen commuting home and to moonlighting jobs, to Broken Arrow, Owasso, Jenks, Bixby, Sapulpa, Sand Springs, Skiatook, Collinsville, etc., etc., etc.
Does that make those incorporated suburbs SAFER?
Ever HEARD to an off-duty Tulsa Policeman responding to a resident knocking on their door asking for help in those suburban cities?
The TPD freeloader would probably tell their citizen to:
1) Call 911, and/or
2) Quit Bothering Them.
No, it just makes the numb Tulsa taxpayers POORER.
Bottom Line: The BOK Arena will be a giant, sucking money pit in the city's stagnant operating budget.
Something's got to give, and it won't be Mayor Chatty Kathy's new luxury digs at the Borg Cube.
When the interest-only debt service on that royally bad Real estate deal ends, and the annual principal repayment kicks in, it will open up another yarning hole in the city operating budget. Our Deferred Pain for Mayor Chatty Kathys new luxury digs.
But by then, Mayor Chatty Kathy hopes to be in the U.S. Congress, leaving her mess for us to pay for the next 30 years.
That will hurt.
Ouch!
If the ice at 71st is private I stand corrected.
However, you were whining like a little girl about the ice costing too much money. You failed to address the fact that the NEW ice is replacing OLD ice. Since the new system will be way more efficient the constructed of a giant slab of ice to replace the existing giant slab of ice will actually save the tax payers money.
So unless you are suggesting Tulsa build a venue without the ability to host ice events, your point is entirely off base.
If you wish to discuss other ancillary matters in a different thread, fine. But your concern about the ice in the BOk center in this thread has been well and truely debunked. Crawl back into your cave.
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Originally posted by cannon_fodder
If the ice at 71st is private I stand corrected.
However, you were whining like a little girl about the ice costing too much money. You failed to address the fact that the NEW ice is replacing OLD ice. Since the new system will be way more efficient the constructed of a giant slab of ice to replace the existing giant slab of ice will actually save the tax payers money.
So unless you are suggesting Tulsa build a venue without the ability to host ice events, your point is entirely off base.
If you wish to discuss other ancillary matters in a different thread, fine. But your concern about the ice in the BOk center in this thread has been well and truely debunked. Crawl back into your cave.
Efficient?
It would be more efficient to leave the Ice Oilers in the Convention Center. Even the Convention Center is a large "house" for their relatively modest attendance.
The Ice Oiler games held in the BOK Arena will make the players look positively Lilliputian. Is that the puck, or do I have a speck of dust in my eye?
Economical?
In the long run, it would be more economical for the citizens of Tulsa to STOP construction on the BOK Arena TODAY, and dynamite it at first light.
That would save the taxpayers the largest amount of operating costs, saving $100,000,000's over the useful life of the Arena, say maximum 30 years.
Of course, if Oklahoma City is any guide, their politicians want the taxpayers to spend $110 million remodeling a FIVE YEAR old Ford Arena that cost only $80 million to build FIVE YEARS AGO.
Don't you just know that our local ruling power establishment will pull the same shenanigans in five short years if OKC gets by with their brazen thievery of the public purse?
Yearly operating costs of our money-pit BOK Arena will dwarf the revenue generation side of the "economics" of a publicly funded Arena.
Just pay off the Rooney and Flint Oligarch familias for NOT finishing the arena. They will still go to the bank very happy.
As always.....their disposable local Politicians come and go; the local controlling Oligarch Familias have been around with their hands in the taxpayers pockets for 100 years.
Just knock the thing down, and save us atleast another $100,000,000.
[:O]
quote:
Originally posted by Friendly Bear
Just knock the thing down, and save us atleast another $100,000,000.
Better yet, can I give you two "huney" pots and have you skip town? With a silly old Pooh-Bear like you, it's no wonder Tulsa became such a lame city.
FB:
You complained about the cost of the ice. I explained in several different ways that the new ice actually save Tulsa money in the long run. I did not argue any other points as you keep expanding the scope of your whining.
FB - the new ice will cost a fortune!
Reality - the new ice will be less expensive than the current set up.
FB - blah blah blah blah blah. Tulsa sucks. Blah blah blah.
Just ignore him, CF et al. You've already won your argument, although he'll never acknowledge it. He's like a cold sore--once it's around, it ain't going away, so just avoid contact in the first place.
quote:
Originally posted by cannon_fodder
FB:
You complained about the cost of the ice. I explained in several different ways that the new ice actually save Tulsa money in the long run. I did not argue any other points as you keep expanding the scope of your whining.
FB - the new ice will cost a fortune!
Reality - the new ice will be less expensive than the current set up.
FB - blah blah blah blah blah. Tulsa sucks. Blah blah blah.
Who said Tulsa sucks? Not me.
Our leadership here, is however miserable, and eternally dancing to their puppet-master Oligarch Familia overlords.
Comparing as you do old ice to new is comparing Apple crates vs. Orange cases. Again.
The ice rink in the Convention Center is already PAID for. PAID FOR.
The new BOK Arena requires an ice rink to be installed. At what cost?
Certainly a huge cost.
And, you PURPORT that over 8 years the operating costs of the new ice rink will be lower than the running rating operating costs for the Convention Center ice rink?
Like, in eight years, whose gonna be accountable if the claim is bogus?
You?The politician mouthpieces offering such offal will be gone.
Charles Hardt will be gone. Mike Kier will be gone. Chatty Kathy Taylor will be gone.
Even RecycleMichael will be gone (predicted myocardial infarction, reportedly due to reading a certain dissident posts on www.Tulsanow.org Forum).
But, he does receive a wonderful, expansive and FREE Obituary in the Lorton's World for carrying their agenda by vacumning those pesky NO RIVER TAX Campaign Signs from the City Right of Way.
Easy Does It, RM. We want you around Tulsa for a LONG time. You're needed!
We'll just get more new lies by the new selected politicos to explain after eight years that the new ice rink in the BOK Arena ends up costing more than projected.
Just make up a reason. Any reason.
Like, increases in the price of maintenance.
The old lie will be replaced by a new lie.
Here's an old lie we've heard from our local politios:
We need to add the infrastrucure during construction to someday build additional floors to the new central library, circa 1965.
New lie.
We need to build a NEW Grand Central Library, to provide a new Day Center for the Homeless. Uh, didn't we already pay about 40 years ago to have the infrastructure in place to build two additional floors on the Central Library.
Answer: Never mind. That's different. Just move on.
New Lie
: We need to build a new free-standing $140 million jail.Uh. Didn't the Tulsa County taxpayers already pay to have the infrastructure added to the Tulsa County Annex building circa 1980 so that additional floors (like for a JAIL) could be added upwards, at minimal cost?
Answer: Never mind. That's different. Just move on.
And, just looking at the numbers that CannonFodder helpfully provided on the city energy study, it estimates that:
Annual cooling of the new Arena will run: $925K
and,
Annual heating of the new Arena will run: $410K
These are $1.3 million in NEW costs in the city operating budget.
BEFORE SMG's fee. Before cleaning, maintenance, and security.
Uh, and those are Trigen contract costs.
The electricity from AEP, to light up that Iconic facade, is EXTRA.
Not listed.....No estimate.
Taxpayer hose job.
[:O]
I would really appreciate you not discussing my death and how you think I will die in the next eight years. That is a very inappropriate conversation.
I was not involved in this thread in any way.
Please stop it, friendly bear.
quote:
Originally posted by Friendly Bear
quote:
Originally posted by cannon_fodder
FB:
You complained about the cost of the ice. I explained in several different ways that the new ice actually save Tulsa money in the long run. I did not argue any other points as you keep expanding the scope of your whining.
FB - the new ice will cost a fortune!
Reality - the new ice will be less expensive than the current set up.
FB - blah blah blah blah blah. Tulsa sucks. Blah blah blah.
Who said Tulsa sucks? Not me.
Our leadership here, is however miserable, and eternally dancing to their puppet-master Oligarch Familia overlords.
Comparing as you do old ice to new is comparing Apple crates vs. Orange cases. Again.
The ice rink in the Convention Center is already PAID for. PAID FOR.
The new BOK Arena requires an ice rink to be installed. At what cost?
Certainly a huge cost.
And, you PURPORT that over 8 years the operating costs of the new ice rink will be lower than the running rating operating costs for the Convention Center ice rink?
Like, in eight years, whose gonna be accountable if the claim is bogus?
You?
The politician mouthpieces offering such offal will be gone.
Charles Hardt will be gone. Mike Kier will be gone. Chatty Kathy Taylor will be gone.
Even RecycleMichael will be gone (predicted myocardial infarction, reportedly due to reading a certain dissident posts on www.Tulsanow.org Forum).
But, he does receive a wonderful, expansive and FREE Obituary in the Lorton's World for carrying their agenda for vacumning those pesky Campaign Signs from the City Right of Way.
Easy Does It, RM. We want you around Tulsa for a LONG time.
We'll just get more new lies by the new selected politicos to explain after eight years that the new ice rink in the BOK Arena ends up costing more than projected.
Just make up a reason. Any reason.
Like, increases in the price of maintenance.
The old lie will be replaced by a new lie.
Here's an old lie we've heard from our local politios: We need to add the infrastrucure during construction to someday build additional floors to the new central library, circa 1965.
New lie. We need a NEW Grand Central Library.
Uh, didn't we already pay about 40 years ago to have the infrastructure in place to build two additional floors on the Central Library.
Never mind. That's different. Just move on.
Old Lie: We need to build a new free-standing $140 million jail.
Uh. Didn't the Tulsa County taxpayers already pay to have the infrastructure added to the Tulsa County Annex building circa 1980 so that additional floors (like for a JAIL) could be added upwards, at minimal cost?
Never mind. That's different. Just move on.
And, just looking at the numbers in the CF helpfully provided city energy study, it estimates that:
Annual cooling of the new Arena will run: $925K
and,
Annual heating of the new Arena will run: $410K
These are NEW costs in the city operating budget.
BEFORE SMG's fee. Before cleaning, maintenance, and security.
Uh, and those are Trigen contract costs.
The electricity from AEP, to light up that Iconic facade, is extra. Not listed.....No estimate.
Taxpayer hose job.
[:O]
man we gotta share stories over a beer sometimes, this stuff is great. I suggest we construct the "other table" at Topeca on the 29th.
I think we should just demolish the entire city, then we wouldn't have any maintenance costs to pay and we wouldn't have any pesky people around to bother us. We could just hobble around on the pile of rubble and be glad that we aren't paying one cent to maintain it.
quote:
Originally posted by RecycleMichael
I would really appreciate you not discussing my death and how you think I will die in the next eight years. That is a very inappropriate conversation.
I was not involved in this thread in any way.
Please stop it, friendly bear.
Are these postings giving you a certain, Je ne sais quois, TIGHTNESS in the chest?
I suggest Laughter as the antidote.
RecycleMichael, may you live to be > 100!
quote:
Originally posted by cannon_fodder
If the ice at 71st is private I stand corrected.
However, you were whining like a little girl about the ice costing too much money. You failed to address the fact that the NEW ice is replacing OLD ice. Since the new system will be way more efficient the constructed of a giant slab of ice to replace the existing giant slab of ice will actually save the tax payers money.
So unless you are suggesting Tulsa build a venue without the ability to host ice events, your point is entirely off base.
If you wish to discuss other ancillary matters in a different thread, fine. But your concern about the ice in the BOk center in this thread has been well and truely debunked. Crawl back into your cave.
Me, Whining LIKE a little GIRL??
OOPS!
VERY politically incorrect!
quote:
Originally posted by Friendly Bear
quote:
Originally posted by RecycleMichael
I would really appreciate you not discussing my death and how you think I will die in the next eight years. That is a very inappropriate conversation.
I was not involved in this thread in any way.
Please stop it, friendly bear.
Are these postings giving you a certain, Je ne sais quois, TIGHTNESS in the chest?
I suggest Laughter as the antidote.
RecycleMichael, may you live to be > 100!
Just stop.
quote:
Originally posted by RecycleMichael
quote:
Originally posted by Friendly Bear
quote:
Originally posted by RecycleMichael
I would really appreciate you not discussing my death and how you think I will die in the next eight years. That is a very inappropriate conversation.
I was not involved in this thread in any way.
Please stop it, friendly bear.
Are these postings giving you a certain, Je ne sais quois, TIGHTNESS in the chest?
I suggest Laughter as the antidote.
RecycleMichael, may you live to be > 100!
Just stop.
I thought you had retired from this Topic.
Guess not.
Try lying down, and thinking pleasant thoughts of skinning, grilling and wearing a certain Forum poster.
That should relax the Angina.
And, suggest you rent the DVD of "The Edge", to relax............
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FB:
You complained about the cost of the ice. I explained in several different ways that the new ice actually save Tulsa money in the long run. I did not argue any other points as you keep expanding the scope of your whining.
FB - the new ice will cost a fortune!
Reality - the new ice will be less expensive than the current set up.
FB - blah blah blah blah blah. Tulsa sucks. Blah blah blah.
Who said Tulsa sucks? Not me.
Our leadership here, is however miserable, and eternally dancing to their puppet-master Oligarch Familia overlords.
Comparing as you do old ice to new is comparing Apple crates vs. Orange cases. Again.
The ice rink in the Convention Center is already PAID for. PAID FOR.
The new BOK Arena requires an ice rink to be installed. At what cost?
Certainly a huge cost.
And, you PURPORT that over 8 years the operating costs of the new ice rink will be lower than the running rating operating costs for the Convention Center ice rink?
Like, in eight years, whose gonna be accountable if the claim is bogus?
You?
The politician mouthpieces offering such offal will be gone.
Charles Hardt will be gone. Mike Kier will be gone. Chatty Kathy Taylor will be gone.
Even RecycleMichael will be gone (predicted myocardial infarction, reportedly due to reading a certain dissident posts on www.Tulsanow.org Forum).
But, he does receive a wonderful, expansive and FREE Obituary in the Lorton's World for carrying their agenda for vacumning those pesky Campaign Signs from the City Right of Way.
Easy Does It, RM. We want you around Tulsa for a LONG time.
We'll just get more new lies by the new selected politicos to explain after eight years that the new ice rink in the BOK Arena ends up costing more than projected.
Just make up a reason. Any reason.
Like, increases in the price of maintenance.
The old lie will be replaced by a new lie.
Here's an old lie we've heard from our local politios: We need to add the infrastrucure during construction to someday build additional floors to the new central library, circa 1965.
New lie. We need a NEW Grand Central Library.
Uh, didn't we already pay about 40 years ago to have the infrastructure in place to build two additional floors on the Central Library.
Never mind. That's different. Just move on.
Old Lie: We need to build a new free-standing $140 million jail.
Uh. Didn't the Tulsa County taxpayers already pay to have the infrastructure added to the Tulsa County Annex building circa 1980 so that additional floors (like for a JAIL) could be added upwards, at minimal cost?
Never mind. That's different. Just move on.
And, just looking at the numbers in the CF helpfully provided city energy study, it estimates that:
Annual cooling of the new Arena will run: $925K
and,
Annual heating of the new Arena will run: $410K
These are NEW costs in the city operating budget.
BEFORE SMG's fee. Before cleaning, maintenance, and security.
Uh, and those are Trigen contract costs.
The electricity from AEP, to light up that Iconic facade, is extra. Not listed.....No estimate.
Taxpayer hose job.
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man we gotta share stories over a beer sometimes, this stuff is great. I suggest we construct the "other table" at Topeca on the 29th.
Sounds like fun.
I'm the one-legged Tranvestite black dwarf driving the big Harley.
I'll be wearing a "McCain's the Man" campaign button.
How will I recognize you?
Vroooom.
Ooops, on second thought, may need to cancel...
Feb. 29th signifying a Leap Year, the ladies are allowed to Propose, and I haven't a thing to wear!
The fsck exactly are you on dude? Can we be done with this?
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The fsck exactly are you on dude? Can we be done with this?
Righteous indignation?
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QuoteOriginally posted by cannon_fodder
Woot!
Add the debt service on the Mayor's Borg Cube, and we may want to all move to Haskell to escape the coming tax increases.
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Great idea! ;)
Back to the actual topic:
Thanks for the impressive photos of the arena. Seeing these makes you realize just what "all the fuss is about." I never really appreciated the design until I went on the tour. Now, I realize that Tulsa can be proud of having a truly unique arena. (Compare to the OKC Ford Center and you'll see what I mean. Yawn.) People will travel to Tulsa just to see the Pelli design. We're going to be the topic of a lot of national press when it opens.
When I first saw the design, I thought, "Huh? Why not something nice and traditional in brick?" Now I get it. Thanks for the photos, as a reminder.