If you are unsure of your current council district, look here (//%22http://maps.cityoftulsa.org/DistrictFinder/DistrictFinder.asp%22).
Questionnaires were sent to all of the candidates, those responses can be found by clicking their name:
The current candidates are:
Rocky Frisco (//%22http://www.tulsanow.org/tulsacouncil2008/rockyfrisco.asp%22)
Maria Barnes (//%22http://www.tulsanow.org/tulsacouncil2008/mariabarnes.asp%22)(i)
Eric Gomez (No Response)
Jay Matlock (No Response)
John Nidiffer (No Response)
Thoughts, opinions?
Wish I lived in this district so I could vote for Rocky. He'd be our first hippie on the council.....
I have lived in the far eastern fringe of District 4 for 25 years. (The dividing line to district 5 is just 8 houses east of me.)
I don't know what to think about Maria Barnes. She has seemed to be an invisible member of the city council. You never hear much mention of her unless the discussion is about the Kendall/Whittier neighborhood, of which she is the neighborhood association president. My perception is that 99% of her focus is Kendall/Whittier, at the expense of the rest of District 4. Other candidates have made this point about her tenure too.
I will probably be voting for someone else next time. Her questionaire answers seemed just OK to me; I can't dispute any of her responses, but I think District 4 needs a more visible, vocal representative.
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Originally posted by FOTD
Wish I lived in this district so I could vote for Rocky. He'd be our first hippie on the council.....
No doubt. Roc's my man! Instead of starting Council meetings with some stupid prayer, Roc would probably start with a jam session. [:P]
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Originally posted by FOTD
Wish I lived in this district so I could vote for Rocky. He'd be our first hippie on the council.....
He'd have my vote also...
From Mr. Frisco's responses, he sounds like he has no interest in actively improving District 4. If that is the case, then what purpose has he with running for council? Perhaps someone can elaborate more about the candidate...
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Originally posted by TURobY
From Mr. Frisco's responses, he sounds like he has no interest in actively improving District 4. If that is the case, then what purpose has he with running for council? Perhaps someone can elaborate more about the candidate...
I agree Turoby. Frisco sounds like he wants to sit back and do nothing; let the free capitalistic markets take over, and what will be, will be. Maria Barnes has been an invisible, do-nothing representative to me. I will probably vote for Gomez.
I wish city council elections were non-partisan. The whole Dem/GOP/Independent distinction seems irrelavant on the local level.
I still like Maria Barnes, but I'm also considering Jay Matlock. I'm intrigued after reading Matlock's site, but I need to do further investigation.
At least I've already narrowed it down. It makes it a lot easier. LOL
I don't live in District 4, but I'm curious how someone can say that Maria Barnes is "invisible." I go to a lot of community and neighborhood meetings, and she is the one councillor that I consistantly see. She's not getting paid to work every night, but she certainly dedicates a lot of her free time to staying in touch with her constituents (at least those who care enough to attend community meetings).
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Originally posted by Steve
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Originally posted by TURobY
I still like Maria Barnes, but I'm also considering Jay Matlock.
I don't dislike Barnes, but her invisibility over the past 2 years bothers me. I will investigate all the alternatives, and then make my choice. This is the first District 4 council election since the conversion from commission to council gov't. form that I have taken much interest in.
My impression of Maria is that she is not one of those city councilors that grandstands on issues. She focuses on neighborhoods, meets with them often and seeks to improve the city by working to seek accord on potentially contentious issues. The very fact that you haven't heard about her has nothing to do with inactivity and everything to do with the careful and difficult work she does to bring neighborhoods and businesses together to resolve issues before they perculate into high-profile issues. To me, that seems to be an effective strategy, as the district has made significant progress during her tenure, and she has maintained significant credibility on the Council that will help District 4 going forward as we carefully balance creative infill development and homeowners' interests.
I know that she worked with Yorktown and Lewiston Garden to enact a special district along Lewis avenue to protect that neighborhood. I have heard she frequently attends Florence Park neighborhood meetings to address some concerns they have with Quicktrip coming in. She worked with the Cherry Street Merchant association to get crosswalks put it. She attends Pearl District meetings, as well as numerous other neighborhood association meetings. In fact, I haven't heard of any neighborhood association that hasn't gotten a response from her when they asked.
So my question to you is this--have you called her? What specific actions would you like to see her take? What does your neighborhood need, and how can she help? My guess is that if you call her, you will get a quick response.
Although I've had my problems with Maria, after taking stock of all the others in the field of candidates she is head and shoulders above all the rest.
Rocky Frisco is just another perennial joke candidate out for attention.
Eric Gomez is well on his way to becoming one. If you want to talk about invisible, he dropped off the scene and active involvement as soon as he lost to Baker.
Jay Matlock basically promises to do what Maria has already been doing. His educational initiatives are false promises, because he will not be able to accomplish any of those things as a Councilor. School Board member, yes. City Councilor, no. He's just pandering to a issue popular with voters, knowing full well he won't be able to deliver.
Matlock and Gomez are both special interest puppets for the Metro Chamber and the Realtors. That is where their true loyalties can be found.
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Originally posted by Double A
Although I've had my problems with Maria, after taking stock of all the others in the field of candidates she is head and shoulders above all the rest.
Rocky Frisco is just another perennial joke candidate out for attention.
Eric Gomez is well on his way to becoming one. If you want to talk about invisible, he dropped off the scene and active involvement as soon as he lost to Baker.
Jay Matlock basically promises to do what Maria has already been doing. His educational initiatives are false promises, because he will not be able to accomplish any of those things as a Councilor. School Board member, yes. City Councilor, no. He's just pandering to a issue popular with voters, knowing full well he won't be able to deliver.
Matlock and Gomez are both special interest puppets for the Metro Chamber and the Realtors. That is where their true loyalties can be found.
There's hope for you AA! Good to see that you understand that all of politics is choosing the lesser of two evils. Or like I posted elsewhere, if you don't vote at all even for the lesser of two evils you are actually saying you're willing to be led by the worst of two evils.
This was Maria's first term. Maybe she'll be more comfortable and take more of a leadership role.
It seems Maria Barnes is making herself more visible, especially in regards to the Tulsa neighborhoods conservation districts issue. No coincedence, I suppose, that it is close to reelection time.
She is doing exactly what her constituents are saying is important to them.
No councilor is as closely tied and fully supported by neighborhood activists than Maria.
Maria has my support. Interesting note: my next door neighbor is a teacher at K-W and apparently Maria is not popular w/ the faculty there. They say she is not supportive of the school and does not think the school should be a focal point for the K-W area.
Beats the heck out of me- none of that made sense when it was told to me. Anyone else hear such things?
All I know is that Ms. Barnes has done little for the preservation or support of the far eastern fringe of her district, my historic Lortondale neighborhood. Come election day, I will vote for someone else.
Let me step into this blog debate on District 4 and hopefully put to rest a conceived notion that I am a Tulsa Chamber or Typros special interest candidate.
Although a proud member of several organizations in Tulsa(including young professionals groups), my loyalty does not lie with just one, but all of them. You could easily classify me as a special interest candidate for OCCJ, the University of Tulsa, OK Business Ethics, Crossroads Church in Jenks, and other organizations that I dedicate time.
Being a constituent of Maria's for almost two years, I can verify her passivity. Even when I decided to run for office and began working extremely hard to determine Maria's stance(s) on the issues, I had trouble getting in contact with Maria or discovering many community forums. I have met with some of her colleagues who still do not know her stance(s).
Maria has done an excellent job being a neighborhood advocate and standing up for the residents of District 4. I admire her for this.
However, there are many more important issues that need to be addressed. Crime is one. In homicide, assault, and rape stats, Tulsa is 2X the national average per capita. Homicides have increased nearly 5% over the last few years and have increased during Maria's term as councilor. Two of the highest crime rate areas (11th and Lewis and 11th and Peoria are in D4).
Yes, education comes down to the school board. But city government has been silent when it comes to addressing our public education needs. 3rd-8th graders in TPS are scoring below the state average in reading and math. I am not advocating city govt jump in and take over. However, councilors need to work with state reps to increase funding for Tulsa schools, implement accountability procedures for educators, and reduce oversight with current funds. The city has a strong need for a successful public school system in that it leads directly to economic growth. Large employers when looking to relocate look directly at the public education system before making their decision.
Oversight is another issue in itself. Tulsa will be faced with several big-ticket items in the near future. A $1.6 billion road/infrastructure plan, future Vision 2025 projects, a possible Tulsa Drillers relocation are just a few. It is difficult to ask tax payers for more money without taking a hard look at our current budget and expenditures. As a financial advisor, this is my area of expertise. We have to efficiently manage what we have and reduce waste in order to propel Tulsa forward with imminent projects that are on the horizon. With the way the state is set up on property tax collections, municipalities often struggle in collections and often rely heavily on sales tax. Tulsa cannot afford to keep raising its sales tax rates and compete with surrounding cities.
In all, I appreciate everyone's comments and criticisms. I find this a healthy way to debate the topics at hand and steer me to what is important to Tulsa. It is also a strong avenue to really look at what is on your minds and what I could do a better job at explaining my stance.
Warmest regards,
Jay Matlock
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Originally posted by Double A
Although I've had my problems with Maria, after taking stock of all the others in the field of candidates she is head and shoulders above all the rest.
Rocky Frisco is just another perennial joke candidate out for attention.
Eric Gomez is well on his way to becoming one. If you want to talk about invisible, he dropped off the scene and active involvement as soon as he lost to Baker.
Jay Matlock basically promises to do what Maria has already been doing. His educational initiatives are false promises, because he will not be able to accomplish any of those things as a Councilor. School Board member, yes. City Councilor, no. He's just pandering to a issue popular with voters, knowing full well he won't be able to deliver.
Matlock and Gomez are both special interest puppets for the Metro Chamber and the Realtors. That is where their true loyalties can be found.
Jay,
Thank you for responding. You really should hang around this forum a lot more if you wish to keep your ear to the ground when it comes to local politics.
The one question I have for you, with all due respect:
Your campaign sounds like anyone else who runs for office. Check expenditures against revenues. Old stuff. What makes you different and what is inherent in your nature that will keep you from being sucked into the herd at City Hall?
Crime is pretty much a non-sequitor when you try to point at one councilor's term in office as a cause when there are eight other councilors seated.
I do wish you all the best, thanks for checking in here.
Is there more than just 2 neighborhoods in D-4 that have received $millions just for their small area?
I realize there is more than her behind the millions spent downtown but I am sick of seeing millions being poured into the KW neighborhood.
Hows your neighborhood doing in D-4 ?
I'm in Renaissance. I don't think we've gotten too much monetarily, but our neighborhood is doing fine.
I will be voting for Maria Barnes because she has been very involved in the neighborhoods of district 4.
As the president of the Lortondale neighborhood I have been invited to and attended several events dedicated to community and neighborhood issues including but not limited to the conservation district issue. Thanks to Maria Barnes I was able to attend a forum where the discussion of conservation districts and their appropriateness for lortondale have been discussed.
Maria Barnes has also been involved with both the Hoover Neighborhood association meetings in which Lortondale Neighborhood Association members have been in attendance and Mayo Meadow meetings which directly addressed the developments at the fair grounds in which Lortondale Neighborhood Association members were invited to and attended.
Steve, to say that Maria Barnes has done nothing for Lortondale is unfair and untrue.
Conan.
In response to your question, I encourage you to take a quick view of my website vs. my counterparts. Although oversight is an "old hat" topic and crime cannot be blamed one a single councilor, take a look at who is planning on addressing these. Maria's site only claims to have brought citizen's closer to police and fire. Eric Gomez only points out that we have a dedicated police force. Neither probably has considered Tulsa's crime statistics. (Site data as of 4:36PM on 2/21/08). I agree, we need more councilors focusing on crime.
Neither candidate has publicly mentioned looking at the current budget for improvements. This goes for their website as well as the three Republican (for Eric) "know your candidate meetings" this week and last. This is one way in which I am very different. I want to tackle these issues that are important to all Tulsan's head on by reducing waste and allocating appropriate funds to add the 200 police officers an independent study showed Tulsa needs.
Now onto other issues. You will find that I am the most progressive of all five D4 candidates. While reducing oversight is very key in my campaign, downtown development, river development, and economic stimuli are also important and a foundation of my campaign. I believe most Tulsan's want river development. We are just undecided on how to pay for it. Development brings quality jobs, not just any job, to Tulsa., improves entertainment opportunities (quality of life), and spurs tourism growth which is an excellent source of city revenue outside of raising citizen taxes.
We need to supplement the arena. Many will argue that the arena and a stadium for the Tulsa Drillers will not produce enough revenue to justify them. Well, too late to decide on the arena, but nonetheless, I believe the revenue generated from events plus patrons spending time before and after the events will generate more than enough revenue to sustain and justify their existence.
It takes sound investment in the city for Tulsa to prosper. I speak of "all of Tulsa" because I am not just for D4. Too many councilors and candidates are just for their voting district. This is another area that makes me different. The belief that if something benefits a part of Tulsa, it benefits all of Tulsa should be the cornerstone mindset of all candidates? Most people would agree the Maria has chosen a particular section of Tulsa and put all of her focus on it.
Thank you for the follow up.
Jay
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Originally posted by Conan71
Jay,
Thank you for responding. You really should hang around this forum a lot more if you wish to keep your ear to the ground when it comes to local politics.
The one question I have for you, with all due respect:
Your campaign sounds like anyone else who runs for office. Check expenditures against revenues. Old stuff. What makes you different and what is inherent in your nature that will keep you from being sucked into the herd at City Hall?
Crime is pretty much a non-sequitor when you try to point at one councilor's term in office as a cause when there are eight other councilors seated.
I do wish you all the best, thanks for checking in here.
Jay,
Thanks for responding. Still undecided, but I will say I appreciate you trying to keep an ear to the ground and actually show your face here. Many of us who are regulars are aware there are a lot of lurkers in the Tulsa power base who never post here.
Even the local media keeps an eye on us for story fodder.
I think if you asked the Forrest Orchard neighborhood association about Maria's involvement in helping to reduce crime in the area they would tell a much different story than Mr. Matlock alleges. Maria holds regular community forums that are advertised, open to the public and even posted on this forum. Maybe if he paid a little bit closer attention to these things he might know this and not make accusations that are patently untrue. Whoever is coaching him in those TYPros government committee meetings doesn't know their a** from a hole in the ground.
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Originally posted by Steve
I have lived in the far eastern fringe of District 4 for 25 years. (The dividing line to district 5 is just 8 houses east of me.)
I don't know what to think about Maria Barnes. She has seemed to be an invisible member of the city council. You never hear much mention of her unless the discussion is about the Kendall/Whittier neighborhood, of which she is the neighborhood association president. My perception is that 99% of her focus is Kendall/Whittier, at the expense of the rest of District 4. Other candidates have made this point about her tenure too.
I will probably be voting for someone else next time. Her questionaire answers seemed just OK to me; I can't dispute any of her responses, but I think District 4 needs a more visible, vocal representative.
Maria Barnes is, quite frankly, the best advocate for residents and neighborhoods. I can hardly believe that you've not been aware of the many, many things she is involved in. She is the only councilor on the PlaniTulsa committee; she is concerned enough about neighborhood issues to bring conservation districts into the discussion of how residents can attempt to have a say on what is happening in our neighborhoods. Not only has she been extremely attentive and responsive to a variety of issues, she has a very large district with diverse needs and for one person she does an incredible job of being in multiple places at once. She clearly works in excess of what a part time salary of $18k would suggest. She isn't a real estate agent or a developer -- She cares about residents -- probably the only councilor who truly does.
We need to thoroughly examine the various connections city council appointees and council members have with the Home Builders Association.
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Originally posted by Steve
All I know is that Ms. Barnes has done little for the preservation or support of the far eastern fringe of her district, my historic Lortondale neighborhood. Come election day, I will vote for someone else.
Just out of curiousity - how active is your neighborhood association? Far too often we think that the city isn't doing their job, when in reality we haven't been doing our job as citizens.
Furthermore -- Yes, the Kendall-Whittier area has had wonderful improvements. Couldn't be because the residents have been meeting in excess of ten years drawing up long term goals and then being proactive in asking for any monies available for city projects?
Just think what could be done if your neighborhood started working on goals.
Lortondale is a prime area for historic consideration. Promote yourself!
Steve,
I am curious what you expect Councilor Barnes to do. Absent some clear, uniform indication that the neighborhood wants HP zoning, no councilor is likely to push for restrictive zoning on their constituents. Have you contacted the TPC? Have you contacted Councilor Barnes's office? Have you talked to your neighbors about pushing for HP zoning?
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Originally posted by akupetsky
Steve,
I am curious what you expect Councilor Barnes to do. Absent some clear, uniform indication that the neighborhood wants HP zoning, no councilor is likely to push for restrictive zoning on their constituents. Have you contacted the TPC? Have you contacted Councilor Barnes's office? Have you talked to your neighbors about pushing for HP zoning?
Yes, yes, and yes.
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Originally posted by TURobY
From Mr. Frisco's responses, he sounds like he has no interest in actively improving District 4. If that is the case, then what purpose has he with running for council? Perhaps someone can elaborate more about the candidate...
What do you want to know? By the way, as a clairvoyant or mind reader, you suck. Which of my opponents are you working for?
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Originally posted by Rocky Frisco
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Originally posted by TURobY
From Mr. Frisco's responses, he sounds like he has no interest in actively improving District 4. If that is the case, then what purpose has he with running for council? Perhaps someone can elaborate more about the candidate...
What do you want to know? By the way, as a clairvoyant or mind reader, you suck. Which of my opponents are you working for?
Rocky 4-4! ROFLMFAO!![}:)][}:)][}:)] Give 'em HLEL, Roc!
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Originally posted by Steve
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Originally posted by TURobY
From Mr. Frisco's responses, he sounds like he has no interest in actively improving District 4. If that is the case, then what purpose has he with running for council? Perhaps someone can elaborate more about the candidate...
I agree Turoby. Frisco sounds like he wants to sit back and do nothing; let the free capitalistic markets take over, and what will be, will be. Maria Barnes has been an invisible, do-nothing representative to me. I will probably vote for Gomez.
I wish city council elections were non-partisan. The whole Dem/GOP/Independent distinction seems irrelavant on the local level.
I disagree with your attempt to read my intentions and predict my behavior. America was successful until the bureaucrats started trying to tune everything. Freedom brings prosperity; governmental meddling brings failure. What do you want those "capitalistic markets" to be replaced with, Commissars?
The citizens of Tulsa are so bound down by codes, zones, rules, laws, statutes and ordinances that they are no longer free. If I am elected, I plan to work to trim this back so people can make their own choices and decisions in their lives and become relatively nanny-free.
Does this sound like I want to sit back and do nothing?
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Originally posted by Double A
Rocky Frisco is just another perennial joke candidate out for attention.
You may be the only person in Tulsa who thinks I'm a joke candidate. At least nobody has ever suggested such a thing to my face. Why the Hell would I need attention? I'm on TV about once a week doing that Clapton gig. I can't go buy a shot of Jaeger without some drunk wanting to tell me his life story because he thinks I'm famous. No thanks, I have all of the fame and attention I want, in fact, way too much. I really resent your sleazy, gratuitously snide comment. I have been getting up way too early, doing radio stuff and meetings and missing sleep in order to do this campaign. My intention is to offer my services as a libertarian and Constitutionalist.
Which one of my opponents are you shilling for?
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Originally posted by Rocky Frisco
I disagree with your attempt to read my intentions and predict my behavior. America was successful until the bureaucrats started trying to tune everything. Freedom brings prosperity; governmental meddling brings failure. What do you want those "capitalistic markets" to be replaced with, Commissars?
The citizens of Tulsa are so bound down by codes, zones, rules, laws, statutes and ordinances that they are no longer free. If I am elected, I plan to work to trim this back so people can make their own choices and decisions in their lives and become relatively nanny-free.
Does this sound like I want to sit back and do nothing?
Yep. Tulsans need to make their own decisions about SPITTING, and not allow government to tell us whether if we can spit or not. (//%22http://cityoftulsa.org/ourcity/ordinances/Title27.asp#Chapter12%22)
And, don't even get me started on the dancing in streets issue, 27 TRO 1205. (//%22http://cityoftulsa.org/ourcity/ordinances/Title27.asp#Chapter12%22)
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Originally posted by Rocky Frisco
What do you want to know? By the way, as a clairvoyant or mind reader, you suck. Which of my opponents are you working for?
So far, I'm pretty much leaning towards Barnes.
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6. What should the City of Tulsa do to help support historic preservation efforts, both in neighborhood and downtown? Do you think "old" buildings are important to our future? Why/why not?
It's too late to try to pen this horse; the barn has already been burned down.... Commercial value and money will always trump historicity and esthetic value in this city.
Your response does not answer the question of what the City of Tulsa should do to help support historic preservation efforts. Do you think the free markets should reign in this situation because "the barn has already been burned down"? I'm just trying to understand your response.
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Which one of my opponents are you shilling for?
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Which of my opponents are you working for?
The paranoia runs strong in this one...
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Originally posted by TURobY
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Which one of my opponents are you shilling for?
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Which of my opponents are you working for?
The paranoia runs strong in this one...
Paranoia is new word for sense of humor??
Live and learn. What's this modern world coming to?
Oh, sorry, didn't mean to engage in a battle of wits, or wittiness, with somebody who is unarmed.
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Originally posted by TURobY
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Originally posted by Rocky Frisco
What do you want to know? By the way, as a clairvoyant or mind reader, you suck. Which of my opponents are you working for?
So far, I'm pretty much leaning towards Barnes.
Maria is obviously charming and intelligent; she is also already in office, so chances are you will get what you have been getting. If you're happy with that, she's your best choice.
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6. What should the City of Tulsa do to help support historic preservation efforts, both in neighborhood and downtown? Do you think "old" buildings are important to our future? Why/why not?
It's too late to try to pen this horse; the barn has already been burned down.... Commercial value and money will always trump historicity and aesthetic value in this city.
Your response does not answer the question of what the City of Tulsa should do to help support historic preservation efforts. Do you think the free markets should reign in this situation because "the barn has already been burned down"? I'm just trying to understand your response.
I'm saying the locations that were most deserving of preservation are long-gone. I would include in these the beautiful theaters of downtown, the Ritz, Orpheum, Majestic and Rialto. They were smashed without even any attempt to save their unique art, statuary and fixtures. The Cimarron Ballroom was the upscale dancing spot of downtown; they didn't even try to save the Art-Deco tiles off the building. The Delman and the Will Rogers Theaters were smashed and carted off. TU just ran the Metro Diner out of town in a dump-truck. What is left to preserve? The Golden Driller??
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Originally posted by Rocky Frisco
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Originally posted by Double A
Rocky Frisco is just another perennial joke candidate out for attention.
You may be the only person in Tulsa who thinks I'm a joke candidate. At least nobody has ever suggested such a thing to my face. Why the Hell would I need attention? I'm on TV about once a week doing that Clapton gig. I can't go buy a shot of Jaeger without some drunk wanting to tell me his life story because he thinks I'm famous. No thanks, I have all of the fame and attention I want, in fact, way too much. I really resent your sleazy, gratuitously snide comment. I have been getting up way too early, doing radio stuff and meetings and missing sleep in order to do this campaign. My intention is to offer my services as a libertarian and Constitutionalist.
Which one of my opponents are you shilling for?
Anarchy sounds good to me too, until someone asks "who'd fix the sewers?". Or if the Rednecks would just play kings of the neighborhood. Paul Tay is a more serious candidate than you are. BTW, I am a registered voter in D4. Say Mr. Libertarian, do you support ending the prohibition on illegal drugs, being a strict constitutional libertarian and all?
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Originally posted by tulsasignnazi
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Yep. Tulsans need to make their own decisions about SPITTING, and not allow government to tell us whether if we can spit or not. (//%22http://cityoftulsa.org/ourcity/ordinances/Title27.asp#Chapter12%22)
And, don't even get me started on the dancing in streets issue, 27 TRO 1205. (//%22http://cityoftulsa.org/ourcity/ordinances/Title27.asp#Chapter12%22)
Tulsans can spit on their own property, but they can't park a car there for five bucks.
You can XXXX in the street, but don't disturb the horses.
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Originally posted by Double A
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Originally posted by Rocky Frisco
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Originally posted by Double A
Rocky Frisco is just another perennial joke candidate out for attention.
You may be the only person in Tulsa who thinks I'm a joke candidate. At least nobody has ever suggested such a thing to my face. Why the Hell would I need attention? I'm on TV about once a week doing that Clapton gig. I can't go buy a shot of Jaeger without some drunk wanting to tell me his life story because he thinks I'm famous. No thanks, I have all of the fame and attention I want, in fact, way too much. I really resent your sleazy, gratuitously snide comment. I have been getting up way too early, doing radio stuff and meetings and missing sleep in order to do this campaign. My intention is to offer my services as a libertarian and Constitutionalist.
Which one of my opponents are you shilling for?
Anarchy sounds good to me too, until someone asks "who'd fix the sewers?". Or if the Rednecks would just play kings of the neighborhood. Paul Tay is a more serious candidate than you are. BTW, I am a registered voter in D4. Say Mr. Libertarian, do you support ending the prohibition on illegal drugs, being a strict constitutional libertarian and all?
He does.
Do you think we can make T town the new Amsterdam? Sure would reduce the prison strain and make our town pretty popular with all the closet hippies running around these daze. Done wonders for Cali.
Hey Rock, if'n you win does that mean Thursdaze at McNellies won't be the same? That's when the councilors git together and pretend they've got power.El Frisco, remember this too. There are very mean people on this pooping deck. So don't let em get to you! Best to just keep on truckin'!
Wishin' I lived in 4 so I could vote for you!
Tulsa needs some flavoring. Too many meanies.....
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Originally posted by Double A
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Originally posted by Rocky Frisco
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Originally posted by Double A
Rocky Frisco is just another perennial joke candidate out for attention.
You may be the only person in Tulsa who thinks I'm a joke candidate. At least nobody has ever suggested such a thing to my face. Why the Hell would I need attention? I'm on TV about once a week doing that Clapton gig. I can't go buy a shot of Jaeger without some drunk wanting to tell me his life story because he thinks I'm famous. No thanks, I have all of the fame and attention I want, in fact, way too much. I really resent your sleazy, gratuitously snide comment. I have been getting up way too early, doing radio stuff and meetings and missing sleep in order to do this campaign. My intention is to offer my services as a libertarian and Constitutionalist.
Which one of my opponents are you shilling for?
Anarchy sounds good to me too, until someone asks "who'd fix the sewers?". Or if the Rednecks would just play kings of the neighborhood. Paul Tay is a more serious candidate than you are. BTW, I am a registered voter in D4. Say Mr. Libertarian, do you support ending the prohibition on illegal drugs, being a strict constitutional libertarian and all?
I will answer your question with one of mine:
Has the war on drugs actually kept the illegal transactions from taking place, or has it acted as a system of price supports to make absolutely sure that the most evil humans on the planet continue to get untold wealth they can use to subvert, corrupt and destroy our way of life?
The "War on Drugs" has much in common with "Operation Iraqi Freedom" and "The Patriot Act," in that the name is not the reality.
But you knew that, didn't you?javascript:insertsmilie('[:)]')
Smile [:)]
BTW, who are you?
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Originally posted by FOTD
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Originally posted by Double A
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Originally posted by Rocky Frisco
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Originally posted by Double A
Rocky Frisco is just another perennial joke candidate out for attention.
You may be the only person in Tulsa who thinks I'm a joke candidate. At least nobody has ever suggested such a thing to my face. Why the Hell would I need attention? I'm on TV about once a week doing that Clapton gig. I can't go buy a shot of Jaeger without some drunk wanting to tell me his life story because he thinks I'm famous. No thanks, I have all of the fame and attention I want, in fact, way too much. I really resent your sleazy, gratuitously snide comment. I have been getting up way too early, doing radio stuff and meetings and missing sleep in order to do this campaign. My intention is to offer my services as a libertarian and Constitutionalist.
Which one of my opponents are you shilling for?
Anarchy sounds good to me too, until someone asks "who'd fix the sewers?". Or if the Rednecks would just play kings of the neighborhood. Paul Tay is a more serious candidate than you are. BTW, I am a registered voter in D4. Say Mr. Libertarian, do you support ending the prohibition on illegal drugs, being a strict constitutional libertarian and all?
He does.
Do you think we can make T town the new Amsterdam? Sure would reduce the prison strain and make our town pretty popular with all the closet hippies running around these daze. Done wonders for Cali.
This will never happen as long as it pleases Godly People to persecute sinners. We have more humans in cages and boxes for pursuing happiness than for any other "crime."
Hey Rock, if'n you win does that mean Thursdaze at McNellies won't be the same? That's when the councilors git together and pretend they've got power.El Frisco, remember this too. There are very mean people on this pooping deck. So don't let em get to you! Best to just keep on truckin'!
I'm pretty sure the Council activities are long over before the Music at McNellie's commences. A couple of Jaegers should help the rancid taste in the mouth.
Wishin' I lived in 4 so I could vote for you!
Tulsa needs some flavoring. Too many meanies.....
Not even the nice Blue ones here.
Don't ask who "they" are....Mean people suck.....[:(]
Rock on!
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Originally posted by Rocky Frisco
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Originally posted by TURobY
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Which one of my opponents are you shilling for?
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Which of my opponents are you working for?
The paranoia runs strong in this one...
Paranoia is new word for sense of humor??
Live and learn. What's this modern world coming to?
Oh, sorry, didn't mean to engage in a battle of wits, or wittiness, with somebody who is unarmed.
Seems like someone needs to apply those principles to himself.
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Originally posted by Rocky Frisco
I'm saying the locations that were most deserving of preservation are long-gone....
I don't think anyone disagreed with you on this point. But you continue...
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TU just ran the Metro Diner out of town in a dump-truck.
Was the Metro Diner considered historic? If so, why? I guess that is another topic...
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What is left to preserve? The Golden Driller??
If you truly believe that there is nothing left in Tulsa worth preserving, then I will duly note that in my pros/cons list of condidates. I just wanted further clarification so that I knew as much about each candidate as possible. Not trying to give you a hard time... [:)]
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Originally posted by Rocky Frisco
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Originally posted by Double A
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Originally posted by Rocky Frisco
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Originally posted by Double A
Rocky Frisco is just another perennial joke candidate out for attention.
You may be the only person in Tulsa who thinks I'm a joke candidate. At least nobody has ever suggested such a thing to my face. Why the Hell would I need attention? I'm on TV about once a week doing that Clapton gig. I can't go buy a shot of Jaeger without some drunk wanting to tell me his life story because he thinks I'm famous. No thanks, I have all of the fame and attention I want, in fact, way too much. I really resent your sleazy, gratuitously snide comment. I have been getting up way too early, doing radio stuff and meetings and missing sleep in order to do this campaign. My intention is to offer my services as a libertarian and Constitutionalist.
Which one of my opponents are you shilling for?
Anarchy sounds good to me too, until someone asks "who'd fix the sewers?". Or if the Rednecks would just play kings of the neighborhood. Paul Tay is a more serious candidate than you are. BTW, I am a registered voter in D4. Say Mr. Libertarian, do you support ending the prohibition on illegal drugs, being a strict constitutional libertarian and all?
I will answer your question with one of mine:
Has the war on drugs actually kept the illegal transactions from taking place, or has it acted as a system of price supports to make absolutely sure that the most evil humans on the planet continue to get untold wealth they can use to subvert, corrupt and destroy our way of life?
The "War on Drugs" has much in common with "Operation Iraqi Freedom" and "The Patriot Act," in that the name is not the reality.
But you knew that, didn't you?javascript:insertsmilie('[:)]')
Smile [:)]
BTW, who are you?
I don't disagree that the War on Drugs is big business. Answering a question with a question is the hallmark of a status quo politician. Why not stand loud and proud for what you believe in no uncertain terms?
Who am I? I am one of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live, and too rare to die.
Maybe you can get FOTD's parents to move into D4 so he will be able to vote for you?
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Originally posted by Double A
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I don't disagree that the War on Drugs is big business. Answering a question with a question is the hallmark of a status quo politician. Why not stand loud and proud for what you believe in no uncertain terms?
Who said anything about "Big Business?" It's a filter that funnels inconceivable wealth into the hands of the most evil, poisonous forces in the world. Answering a stupid question with a smart question is one of the methods used by teachers and philosopher-kings throughout history when dealing with such as yourself. If you would read a non-fiction book or two instead of spending so much time with TV and comics and computer-games, you would know this.
Who am I? I am one of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live, and too rare to die.
That's odd, I see millions just like you spawning and infesting the newsgroups, all proclaiming your glorious uniqueness, all celebrating your anonymity. It doesn't take a great deal of character or personal worth to throw little bits of filth from behind a dumpster.
Maybe you can get FOTD's parents to move into D4 so he will be able to vote for you?
Plink! There's another one!
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Originally posted by Rocky Frisco
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Originally posted by Double A
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I don't disagree that the War on Drugs is big business. Answering a question with a question is the hallmark of a status quo politician. Why not stand loud and proud for what you believe in no uncertain terms?
Who said anything about "Big Business?" It's a filter that funnels inconceivable wealth into the hands of the most evil, poisonous forces in the world. Answering a stupid question with a smart question is one of the methods used by teachers and philosopher-kings throughout history when dealing with such as yourself. If you would read a non-fiction book or two instead of spending so much time with TV and comics and computer-games, you would know this.
Who am I? I am one of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live, and too rare to die.
That's odd, I see millions just like you spawning and infesting the newsgroups, all proclaiming your glorious uniqueness, all celebrating your anonymity. It doesn't take a great deal of character or personal worth to throw little bits of filth from behind a dumpster.
Maybe you can get FOTD's parents to move into D4 so he will be able to vote for you?
Plink! There's another one!
Now you are a Zen master. Make up your mind, already. I guess you know your own scent when you smell it. Like I said earlier, you are a joke candidate.
Hey, Rocky...who does he have to be? And what kind of question is that anyway? Who the $#** are you?
Taking stands on national issues at a local level like drug laws, middle east conflicts, and choice hasn't gotten Tulsa very far in the past. It just isn't in the purview of a city councilor with a strong mayor. Maybe you could tell me how being a vocal libertarian is going to get city work done. These councilors are managers of the city's business...not charismatic policy makers. The more boring they are, the more likely they're taking care of business.
Just another "plink" in D4.
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Originally posted by Rocky Frisco
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Originally posted by Double A
Rocky Frisco is just another perennial joke candidate out for attention.
You may be the only person in Tulsa who thinks I'm a joke candidate.
I thought this deserved an opinion poll:
Tulsa Now Rocky Frisco Opinion Poll (//%22http://www.tulsanow.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=9069%22)
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Originally posted by waterboy
Hey, Rocky...who does he have to be? And what kind of question is that anyway? Who the $#** are you?
My name is on my comments and I'm in the phone book. I'm not hiding. The gratuitous insults carry less weight when they're from those afraid to be identified. The newsgroups are bursting with inane, insignificant carping from anonymous juveniles. Looks like this tendency is spilling over into the forums here. Too bad.
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Taking stands on national issues at a local level like drug laws, middle east conflicts, and choice hasn't gotten Tulsa very far in the past. It just isn't in the purview of a city councilor with a strong mayor. Maybe you could tell me how being a vocal libertarian is going to get city work done. These councilors are managers of the city's business...not charismatic policy makers. The more boring they are, the more likely they're taking care of business.
Just another "plink" in D4.
I didn't start the comments on the national issues; I replied to questions from others.
As far as taking care of the City's business, please recall that I'm advocating repairing the streets and bridges and getting more police on duty before we consider spending tax dollars to build sports and entertainment venues and recreational areas. Doesn't this make sense to you?
I have questioned why the entire downtown area has been torn up at the same time and why the work is moving at a snail's pace. Ms. Barnes has been a Councilor for two years now, so I assume she approves of the situation downtown.
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Originally posted by TURobY
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Originally posted by Rocky Frisco
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Originally posted by TURobY
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Which one of my opponents are you shilling for?
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Which of my opponents are you working for?
The paranoia runs strong in this one...
Paranoia is new word for sense of humor??
Live and learn. What's this modern world coming to?
Oh, sorry, didn't mean to engage in a battle of wits, or wittiness, with somebody who is unarmed.
Seems like someone needs to apply those principles to himself.
Come on, you can do better than that.
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Originally posted by TURobY
QuoteIf you truly believe that there is nothing left in Tulsa worth preserving, then I will duly note that in my pros/cons list of condidates. I just wanted further clarification so that I knew as much about each candidate as possible. Not trying to give you a hard time... [:)]
Can you mention locations in D4 that are historic and endangered? The Metro was world-famous as a favorite business on Route 66. I have seen posters and calendars featuring the Metro in The Netherlands, Belgium, Germany and France. The building and the business could have have easily been preserved, but TU has no respect for the city where it's located nor the residents of the area. You live in D4? What do you think about the callous way the residents are treated when there's a game at the Stadium?
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Originally posted by Rocky Frisco
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Originally posted by TURobY
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Originally posted by Rocky Frisco
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Originally posted by TURobY
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Which one of my opponents are you shilling for?
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Which of my opponents are you working for?
The paranoia runs strong in this one...
Paranoia is new word for sense of humor??
Live and learn. What's this modern world coming to?
Oh, sorry, didn't mean to engage in a battle of wits, or wittiness, with somebody who is unarmed.
Seems like someone needs to apply those principles to himself.
Come on, you can do better than that.
Rocky:
Word of advice, as you are a relatively new Poster on this Forum.
You are kind of mud wrestling with a hog.
Eventually, you'll realize that the hog
ENJOYS it.
However, it does show some courage to use your real name hereabouts.
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Originally posted by Friendly Bear
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Rocky:
Word of advice, as you are a relatively new Poster on this Forum.
You are kind of mud wrestling with a hog.
Eventually, you'll realize that the hog ENJOYS it.
However, it does show some courage to use your real name hereabouts.
I had pretty well figured that out. [:)]
I'm a veteran of the net newsgroups so I came in wearing my Kevlar Full Body Condom (tm).
I have been using my real name online since 1991; whether that's courage or foolhardiness I leave up to the reader. It does lend some credibility to a claim that those who hide might be showing some cowardice, but only if they use the anonymity to insult and carp at others. It has been my experience that the ones who are most insulting and disrespectful online are the little pussycats hiding behind the potted plant in person. Never fails, anonymous bullies are always cowards at heart.
My name is in my profile... but I can break my user name down for you if you'd like:
TU (I go to TU)
Rob (My first name is Robert)
Y (My last name is Young)
I've mentioned my neighborhood several times (Renaissance).
Do you need much more information?
Rocky do you have signs?
I live a few blocks from you, my name wouldn't do a thing for you but you'd recognize me if you saw me.
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Originally posted by Rocky Frisco
Can you mention locations in D4 that are historic and endangered? The Metro was world-famous as a favorite business on Route 66. I have seen posters and calendars featuring the Metro in The Netherlands, Belgium, Germany and France. The building and the business could have have easily been preserved, but....
...nobody stopped them. As a councilor, that would be your duty if your constituents agreed, would it not? Or, is the free market running the show?
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You live in D4? What do you think about the callous way the residents are treated when there's a game at the Stadium?
I guess I never noticed. Then again, I also understand what happens when you move next to a university. It's just like moving next to an airport, and then complaining about the noise the jets make...
I am just curious about one thing at this time. How did the University of Tulsa, a private school, gain the power to destroy all those businesses along 11th Street? The Metro Diner was a favorite eating place for a lot of us, plus it's value as a Route 66 landmark is World famous. The Starship commercial says it all, the monster who ate 11th Street. Where did they get the power to do this? Did the Counselor who was, or is, in office just let it happen? How much power does a Private University have? How much are they giving back to the city and where is that money? It sure isn't in the streets and or security in the neighborhoods surrounding the school.
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Originally posted by Hippy Steve
I am just curious about one thing at this time. How did the University of Tulsa, a private school, gain the power to destroy all those businesses along 11th Street? The Metro Diner was a favorite eating place for a lot of us, plus it's value as a Route 66 landmark is World famous. The Starship commercial says it all, the monster who ate 11th Street. Where did they get the power to do this? Did the Counselor who was, or is, in office just let it happen? How much power does a Private University have? How much are they giving back to the city and where is that money? It sure isn't in the streets and or security in the neighborhoods surrounding the school.
TU partnered with Tulsa Development Authority to condemn those viable businesses on 11st Street.
They condemned viable, property tax paying businesses to transfer them to a non-for-profit organization that pays no property taxes.
They used the pretext of the City of Tulsa MASTER PLAN to facilitate the land grab.
It gave them the "blueprint" to facilitate the land grab.
TU is powerful and well-endowed (financially). They have the Lortons sitting on their Board of Trustees.
They get what they want. Kind of like the St. John's and Hillcrest hospitals pushing into the adjoining suburban neighborhoods, to facilitate expansion.
The TMAPC, the BOA, and the Master Plan are designed as clubs to beat the little guy down, by following their elastic rules scrupulously to hammer the little guy.
And, as a giant lever to pry loose ANYTHING they want to give the Big Boys.
Then, if there's an actual hard-and-fast rule against something the big boys want, then they hire the local Prince of Darkness Chas. Norman to grease the skids.
And, TMAPC and BOA gives him anything he wants.
Who wants to duel with the Prince of Darkness?
I always wondered how old W.K. Warren (may the plentiful prayer requests soon be answered to pray him into Purgatory from his current rotating spit in Hades)amassed all that south Tulsa land, even from landowners that didn't want to sell at his price, or even need to sell at all???
Hmmmmh?
[:O]
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Originally posted by Friendly Bear
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Originally posted by Hippy Steve
I am just curious about one thing at this time. How did the University of Tulsa, a private school, gain the power to destroy all those businesses along 11th Street? The Metro Diner was a favorite eating place for a lot of us, plus it's value as a Route 66 landmark is World famous. The Starship commercial says it all, the monster who ate 11th Street. Where did they get the power to do this? Did the Counselor who was, or is, in office just let it happen? How much power does a Private University have? How much are they giving back to the city and where is that money? It sure isn't in the streets and or security in the neighborhoods surrounding the school.
TU partnered with Tulsa Development Authority to condemn those viable businesses on 11st Street.
They condemned viable, property tax paying businesses to transfer them to a non-for-profit organization that pays no property taxes.
They used the pretext of the City of Tulsa MASTER PLAN to facilitate the land grab.
It gave them the "blueprint" to facilitate the land grab.
TU is powerful and well-endowed (financially). They have the Lortons sitting on their Board of Trustees.
They get what they want. Kind of like the St. John's and Hillcrest hospitals pushing into the adjoining suburban neighborhoods, to facilitate expansion.
The TMAPC, the BOA, and the Master Plan are designed as clubs to beat the little guy down, by following their elastic rules scrupulously to hammer the little guy.
And, as a giant lever to pry loose ANYTHING they want to give the Big Boys.
Then, if there's an actual hard-and-fast rule against something the big boys want, then they hire the local Prince of Darkness Chas. Norman to grease the skids.
And, TMAPC and BOA gives him anything he wants.
Who wants to duel with the Prince of Darkness?
I always wondered how old W.K. Warren (may the plentiful prayer requests soon be answered to pray him into Purgatory from his current rotating spit in Hades)amassed all that south Tulsa land, even from landowners that didn't want to sell at his price, or even need to sell at all???
Hmmmmh?
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Wow, thanks for that answer, I guess we know where the power is and that the Counselors can't even stop the money grubbing rich jerks like the Lortons, or the Mayor. Money equals power. I guess that is why I didn't have power for 9 1/2 days and the Mayor had hers the next day. It's beginning to look like the Counselors are just puppets in the Mayors show.
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Originally posted by akupetsky
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Originally posted by Steve
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Originally posted by TURobY
I still like Maria Barnes, but I'm also considering Jay Matlock.
I don't dislike Barnes, but her invisibility over the past 2 years bothers me. I will investigate all the alternatives, and then make my choice. This is the first District 4 council election since the conversion from commission to council gov't. form that I have taken much interest in.
My impression of Maria is that she is not one of those city councilors that grandstands on issues.
Unless it's baseless attacks on the TPD by claiming they will become rabid racial profilers if they check the immigration status of those booked into the jail for committing a crime. That is a prime example of her grandstanding on the issues.
FB hits the nail nicely. Norman is old hat but still a good one. He wrote the code. Would you hire the best expert if neccesary to achieve your goals?
My only comment is that the Kendall Whitier area is Tulsa's best example of "urban renewal". Had Educational Institutions, both public and private in the area, not been the gravitational force I would agree %100 with your post. But recalling all the decay and poverty and darkness in that square mile, this rejuvenation is a home run.
Spot on otherwise....
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Originally posted by Rocky Frisco
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Originally posted by waterboy
Hey, Rocky...who does he have to be? And what kind of question is that anyway? Who the $#** are you?
My name is on my comments and I'm in the phone book. I'm not hiding. The gratuitous insults carry less weight when they're from those afraid to be identified. The newsgroups are bursting with inane, insignificant carping from anonymous juveniles. Looks like this tendency is spilling over into the forums here. Too bad.
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Taking stands on national issues at a local level like drug laws, middle east conflicts, and choice hasn't gotten Tulsa very far in the past. It just isn't in the purview of a city councilor with a strong mayor. Maybe you could tell me how being a vocal libertarian is going to get city work done. These councilors are managers of the city's business...not charismatic policy makers. The more boring they are, the more likely they're taking care of business.
Just another "plink" in D4.
I didn't start the comments on the national issues; I replied to questions from others.
As far as taking care of the City's business, please recall that I'm advocating repairing the streets and bridges and getting more police on duty before we consider spending tax dollars to build sports and entertainment venues and recreational areas. Doesn't this make sense to you?
I have questioned why the entire downtown area has been torn up at the same time and why the work is moving at a snail's pace. Ms. Barnes has been a Councilor for two years now, so I assume she approves of the situation downtown.
What a cry baby. You jump in the pig pen, and then whine about getting dirty. Quick, somebody call the wahhmbulance. BTW, will you run as a John Bircher in the next election? Green party? Labor Party? At least Paul Tay doesn't take himself too seriously, even though he is a more credible candidate.
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Originally posted by Friendly Bear
TU partnered with Tulsa Development Authority to condemn those viable businesses on 11st Street.
They condemned viable, property tax paying businesses to transfer them to a non-for-profit organization that pays no property taxes.
Not true. Don't listen to Friendly Bear if you care about the facts...they just get in the way of his continual conspiracy stories.
Name one of these 11th street properties where condemnation occured.
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Originally posted by Hippy Steve
I guess that is why I didn't have power for 9 1/2 days and the Mayor had hers the next day.
The mayor had power at her house because she had her own generators. Her neighborhood had no special treatment, despite what you want to believe. The president of PSO is one of her neighbors and he didn't have power for a week.
If I had been the president of the power company, I would have made my neighborhood a priority, but he didn't.
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Originally posted by RecycleMichael
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Originally posted by Friendly Bear
TU partnered with Tulsa Development Authority to condemn those viable businesses on 11st Street.
They condemned viable, property tax paying businesses to transfer them to a non-for-profit organization that pays no property taxes.
Not true. Don't listen to Friendly Bear if you care about the facts...they just get in the way of his continual conspiracy stories.
Name one of these 11th street properties where condemnation occured.
Where do you get off telling people who to listen to, like you are a credible source? Your spin is well documented.
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Originally posted by RecycleMichael
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Originally posted by Friendly Bear
TU partnered with Tulsa Development Authority to condemn those viable businesses on 11st Street.
They condemned viable, property tax paying businesses to transfer them to a non-for-profit organization that pays no property taxes.
Not true. Don't listen to Friendly Bear if you care about the facts...they just get in the way of his continual conspiracy stories.
Name one of these 11th street properties where condemnation occured.
The threat of condemnation was sufficient to cause the owners to sell.
Here's another example of Maria grandstanding on the issues. How about her little lectures to all the appointees on the ABC's about how it is so important to show up to those meetings and how if you can't make the commitment you shouldn't be serving? How many Council committee meetings has she missed? Regular Council meetings? If you're gonna talk the talk, you better walk the walk.
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Originally posted by MichaelBates
The threat of condemnation was sufficient to cause the owners to sell.
Or, perhaps, the
money was sufficient to cause the owners to sell.[;)]
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Originally posted by TURobY
My name is in my profile... but I can break my user name down for you if you'd like:
TU (I go to TU)
Rob (My first name is Robert)
Y (My last name is Young)
I've mentioned my neighborhood several times (Renaissance).
Do you need much more information?
No, but thanks!
Have we met?
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Originally posted by Rocky Frisco
No, but thanks!
Have we met?
No, I don't believe we have met. [:)]
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Originally posted by Conan71
Rocky do you have signs?
I live a few blocks from you, my name wouldn't do a thing for you but you'd recognize me if you saw me.
I just have posters, printed on my own system. My total contributions are less than $200. I think most of my friends don't want me to be elected, since they think all the political BS may distract me from the music. Who knows, they might be right.
I have been doing posters in the windows of local shops, rather than signs on right-of-ways.
Later today, I will leave a stack of posters in The Pie Hole (Pizza) for anybody who wants one or more.
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Originally posted by TURobY
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Originally posted by Rocky Frisco
Can you mention locations in D4 that are historic and endangered? The Metro was world-famous as a favorite business on Route 66. I have seen posters and calendars featuring the Metro in The Netherlands, Belgium, Germany and France. The building and the business could have have easily been preserved, but....
...nobody stopped them. As a councilor, that would be your duty if your constituents agreed, would it not? Or, is the free market running the show?
I think that was probably a case of "immanent domain." I know for a fact that the owners of the Metro did NOT want to shut down.
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You live in D4? What do you think about the callous way the residents are treated when there's a game at the Stadium?
I guess I never noticed. Then again, I also understand what happens when you move next to a university. It's just like moving next to an airport, and then complaining about the noise the jets make...
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When my family moved into this neighborhood, TU was a little Podunk college specializing in Petroleum Engineering and sports events were not a problem. It was in relatively modern times that the City government started ticketing residents for parking in front of their own homes when there's a game. Just in the last few years, you can get fined $500 for parking cars in your yard during a game. The situation has deteriorated and continues to do so.
It's more like somebody lived near the airport before the jets were invented, then the roaring started.
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Originally posted by Friendly Bear
The TMAPC, the BOA, and the Master Plan are designed as clubs to beat the little guy down, by following their elastic rules scrupulously to hammer the little guy.
I just HATE bullying and the abuse of power. All government is based on force, violence and the threat of violence. I'm in this race to offer the voters a chance to say "no" to these practices. I have no idea what the numbers will say next Tuesday.
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Originally posted by TURobY
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Originally posted by Rocky Frisco
No, but thanks!
Have we met?
No, I don't believe we have met. [:)]
Let me invite you to come hear some excellent music tonight at McNellie's upstairs.
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Double A tomp he widdoo foots and scweam
What a cry baby. You jump in the pig pen, and then whine about getting dirty. Quick, somebody call the wahhmbulance. BTW, will you run as a John Bircher in the next election? Green party? Labor Party? At least Paul Tay doesn't take himself too seriously, even though he is a more credible candidate.
What got your panties in a knot?
Are you envious because I get all the good-looking women and you get your magazine?
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Originally posted by Rocky Frisco
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Originally posted by Conan71
Rocky do you have signs?
I live a few blocks from you, my name wouldn't do a thing for you but you'd recognize me if you saw me.
I just have posters, printed on my own system. My total contributions are less than $200. I think most of my friends don't want me to be elected, since they think all the political BS may distract me from the music. Who knows, they might be right.
I have been doing posters in the windows of local shops, rather than signs on right-of-ways.
Later today, I will leave a stack of posters in The Pie Hole (Pizza) for anybody who wants one or more.
Cool, I'll hit Pie Hole on the way home tonight. Two of my neighbors will want them as well.
Pie Hole is the first place I met you a few years back.
Pie Hole?
That's Breadburner's deal isn't it?
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Originally posted by FOTD
Pie Hole?
That's Breadburner's deal isn't it?
Nope, good guess though.
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Originally posted by Conan71
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Originally posted by Rocky Frisco
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Originally posted by Conan71
Rocky do you have signs?
I live a few blocks from you, my name wouldn't do a thing for you but you'd recognize me if you saw me.
I just have posters, printed on my own system. My total contributions are less than $200. I think most of my friends don't want me to be elected, since they think all the political BS may distract me from the music. Who knows, they might be right.
I have been doing posters in the windows of local shops, rather than signs on right-of-ways.
Later today, I will leave a stack of posters in The Pie Hole (Pizza) for anybody who wants one or more.
Cool, I'll hit Pie Hole on the way home tonight. Two of my neighbors will want them as well.
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I left a bunch of them on the ad rack.
Pie Hole is the first place I met you a few years back.
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I like to drop in for a slice once or twice a week.
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Originally posted by Rocky Frisco
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Originally posted by TURobY
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Originally posted by Rocky Frisco
No, but thanks!
Have we met?
No, I don't believe we have met. [:)]
Let me invite you to come hear some excellent music tonight at McNellie's upstairs.
TONIGHT! EXCELLENT FOOD, DRINK AND MUSIC!
COUNCIL CANDIDATE FRISCO NOT SAYING A WORD!
WONDER OF WONDERS, A WORDLESS POLITICIAN!
LAST CHANCE BEFORE THE PRIMARY!
Rocky Frisco-
A REPRESENTATIVE NOT A NANNY
Go Rocky!
Love the poster!
This Frisco campaign makes more cent$ than one would think.
They say it's a part time job....
If it is a full time position the pay is approx.
$8.66 pr hr....
This is actually more than one could hope to get for that..
All that and beer at McNellie's.
I saw some Matlock signs out in the right of way on 21st. I haven't seen any in people's yards, though. BTW, if you wanted to get more funding for education from the state legislature, wouldn't it be more effective to run for a seat in the state legislature?
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Originally posted by Double A
I saw some Matlock signs out in the right of way on 21st. I haven't seen any in people's yards, though. BTW, if you wanted to get more funding for education from the state legislature, wouldn't it be more effective to run for a seat in the state legislature?
Just as a peripheral comment: The figures would seem to indicate that the more federal and state funds thrown at education, the worse the test scores. I assume that this is because the money is accompanied by further meddling. If they just gave the extra money to the teachers, sans strings, I think the result would be much better.
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Originally posted by Rico
This Frisco campaign makes more cent$ than one would think.
They say it's a part time job....
If it is a full time position the pay is approx.
$8.66 pr hr....
This is actually more than one could hope to get for that..
All that and beer at McNellie's.
Actually, Jaegermeister.
One more thing Matlock, proggessive Republican? Really? Now, I've heard it all. If you look up oxymoron in the dictionary that should be the definition.
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Originally posted by Double A
One more thing Matlock, proggessive Republican? Really? Now, I've heard it all. If you look up oxymoron in the dictionary that should be the definition.
That might actually be possible in a Council race. Don't forget some Republicans hate guns and have abortions. <monty python voice> "We are all different! </mpv>
BTW, AA, re the DM logo: I like The Office, but I lived in Scranton for a while and they have the accent all wrong.
I'm an Independent, so I won't be voting today. But I'll be watching for the returns after 7pm.
Thanks to all the candidates for getting in the race -- I admire that.
Hey Gomez & Matlock, clean up your damn signs that are littering the right of ways. Sheesh!
I voted for Maria Barnes reelection, only because of her apparent support of neighborhood conservation/zoning districts. I will grant her another 2 years, and we will see what efforts she puts forth.
I was very disappointed that less that 1000 registered voters bothered to vote in the city primary in District 4. There are over 10,000 registered Democrats in Tulsa city council district 4, but less than 1,000 voted in the primary election. Pathetic.
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Originally posted by Steve
I voted for Maria Barnes reelection, only because of her apparent support of neighborhood conservation/zoning districts. I will grant her another 2 years, and we will see what efforts she puts forth.
I was very disappointed that less that 1000 registered voters bothered to vote in the city primary in District 4. There are over 10,000 registered Democrats in Tulsa city council district 4, but less than 1,000 voted in the primary election. Pathetic.
First time in many years I did not vote in an election. It was obvious to me that in D4 Maria would have no problem and guess what? People are busy as hell trying to pay for $4.50 gal milk, $4 gal gas. I guess Mazlow was right. Voting is farther down the list but I'll vote in the general.
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Originally posted by waterboy
People are busy as hell trying to pay for $4.50 gal milk, $4 gal gas.
Anyone who has the time to post on this forum an average of 2 or 3 times per day is not that busy. I live in District 4. Where is gas $4 per gallon?
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Originally posted by booWorld
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Originally posted by waterboy
People are busy as hell trying to pay for $4.50 gal milk, $4 gal gas.
Anyone who has the time to post on this forum an average of 2 or 3 times per day is not that busy. I live in District 4. Where is gas $4 per gallon?
Really? I try to post in the a.m. before going to work at 10. Then try to keep up with stuff at lunch around 3pm and if bored then again late in the evening. Glad someone notices. Is it bothering you? It was the first election vote I've missed in about 20 years.
I don't look at the pump. I put in $20 worth a week. Then make it last no matter what. Figured it was getting near that.
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Originally posted by waterboy
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Originally posted by Steve
I voted for Maria Barnes reelection, only because of her apparent support of neighborhood conservation/zoning districts. I will grant her another 2 years, and we will see what efforts she puts forth.
I was very disappointed that less that 1000 registered voters bothered to vote in the city primary in District 4. There are over 10,000 registered Democrats in Tulsa city council district 4, but less than 1,000 voted in the primary election. Pathetic.
First time in many years I did not vote in an election. It was obvious to me that in D4 Maria would have no problem and guess what? People are busy as hell trying to pay for $4.50 gal milk, $4 gal gas...
In general, numbers and statistics don't bother me. Taking the numbers from Steve's post, fewer than 10% of registered Democrats voted in last week's District 4 primary election. So more than 90% of registered Democrats chose to skip the election. I'm not bothered by these numbers.
I took a walk today through Stonebraker Heights and Carlton Place (my neighborhood) on my way to QT to check the price of milk and gas. I noticed a contractor's name cast into a relatively smooth concrete sidewalk with the Arabic number "1912" written below the contractor's name. I assumed that the sidewalk was built in the year 1912. I further assumed that a good concrete sidewalk could last for at least 95 or 96 years. It doesn't bother me that quality concrete can last for a century.
The price of gas fluctuates. This fact doesn't bother me. I don't know what the price was last Tuesday when more than 90% of registered Democrats in District 4 chose to stay away from the primary election, but today it ranged from $2.969 to $3.169 per gallon. The price of milk sold in gallon jugs ranged from $3.75 to $4.05. So if the more than 90% of registered Democrats in District 4 who didn't vote in last week's primary were all busy working to pay for $4.50 per gallon milk and $4 per gallon gas, then I can understand why they were so busy working. They were paying about 15% more for milk than they needed to be paying. They were paying a whopping 30% more for gas than they would need to pay for it at Quik Trip, assuming today's average price. If the more than 90% of registered Democrats pay 15% to 30% more for everything else they purchase (besides milk and gas), then I'm assuming that they must have to stay busy working more to be able to afford the same standard of living as those who don't pay those inflated prices. This doesn't bother me.
As far as the number of registered Democrats who
did take the time to vote in the District 4 primary last week, I see it as a "glass 9% full" rather than a "glass 91% empty" scenario. These percentages don't bother me.
2.64 posts per day on this forum is only a ratio. It doesn't bother me.
$25 per square foot is another ratio, and it's one that bothers me somewhat. According to the City of Tulsa's website, that's the amount of the construction contract for Boston Avenue from 3rd to 10th. I don't like to see relatively smooth concrete (even if it happens to be old) ripped out and replaced with expensive and relatively rough brick-like pavers (even if they happen to be brand new).
Paying 15% more than necessary for milk is a choice. Paying 30% more than necessary for gas is another choice. Unfortunately, whether or not to pay $25 per square foot to renovate seven blocks of Boston is a choice nine Tulsans get to make for rest of us. This bothers me a bit, but I'll be able to make my choice in the general election.
"I walk this empty street -- on the boulevard of broken dreams -- where the city sleeps, and I'm the only one, and I walk alone."
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Originally posted by booWorld
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Originally posted by waterboy
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Originally posted by Steve
I voted for Maria Barnes reelection, only because of her apparent support of neighborhood conservation/zoning districts. I will grant her another 2 years, and we will see what efforts she puts forth.
I was very disappointed that less that 1000 registered voters bothered to vote in the city primary in District 4. There are over 10,000 registered Democrats in Tulsa city council district 4, but less than 1,000 voted in the primary election. Pathetic.
First time in many years I did not vote in an election. It was obvious to me that in D4 Maria would have no problem and guess what? People are busy as hell trying to pay for $4.50 gal milk, $4 gal gas...
In general, numbers and statistics don't bother me. Taking the numbers from Steve's post, fewer than 10% of registered Democrats voted in last week's District 4 primary election. So more than 90% of registered Democrats chose to skip the election. I'm not bothered by these numbers.
I took a walk today through Stonebraker Heights and Carlton Place (my neighborhood) on my way to QT to check the price of milk and gas. I noticed a contractor's name cast into a relatively smooth concrete sidewalk with the Arabic number "1912" written below the contractor's name. I assumed that the sidewalk was built in the year 1912. I further assumed that a good concrete sidewalk could last for at least 95 or 96 years. It doesn't bother me that quality concrete can last for a century.
The price of gas fluctuates. This fact doesn't bother me. I don't know what the price was last Tuesday when more than 90% of registered Democrats in District 4 chose to stay away from the primary election, but today it ranged from $2.969 to $3.169 per gallon. The price of milk sold in gallon jugs ranged from $3.75 to $4.05. So if the more than 90% of registered Democrats in District 4 who didn't vote in last week's primary were all busy working to pay for $4.50 per gallon milk and $4 per gallon gas, then I can understand why they were so busy working. They were paying about 15% more for milk than they needed to be paying. They were paying a whopping 30% more for gas than they would need to pay for it at Quik Trip, assuming today's average price. If the more than 90% of registered Democrats pay 15% to 30% more for everything else they purchase (besides milk and gas), then I'm assuming that they must have to stay busy working more to be able to afford the same standard of living as those who don't pay those inflated prices. This doesn't bother me.
As far as the number of registered Democrats who did take the time to vote in the District 4 primary last week, I see it as a "glass 9% full" rather than a "glass 91% empty" scenario. These percentages don't bother me.
2.64 posts per day on this forum is only a ratio. It doesn't bother me.
$25 per square foot is another ratio, and it's one that bothers me somewhat. According to the City of Tulsa's website, that's the amount of the construction contract for Boston Avenue from 3rd to 10th. I don't like to see relatively smooth concrete (even if it happens to be old) ripped out and replaced with expensive and relatively rough brick-like pavers (even if they happen to be brand new).
Paying 15% more than necessary for milk is a choice. Paying 30% more than necessary for gas is another choice. Unfortunately, whether or not to pay $25 per square foot to renovate seven blocks of Boston is a choice nine Tulsans get to make for rest of us. This bothers me a bit, but I'll be able to make my choice in the general election.
"I walk this empty street -- on the boulevard of broken dreams -- where the city sleeps, and I'm the only one, and I walk alone."
For heavens sakes dude. I exaggerated. Get a life. Food is going up. Gasoline has gone up. I work f**king hard and was too tired to go vote. Lots of other folks are just like me and found little to attract them to the D-4 primary. In fact they find little to attract them to any vote. In my workplace during the last River tax vote..NOBODY else voted yet ALL had strong feelings about it.
I have so little faith left in Tulsa leadership and public works that your story doesn't surprise me in the least. There is a lack of appreciation for quality work and quality history throughout our nation now, why should we be any different?
Today, Maria Barnes and one of her sons were working my neighborhood which has real live Democrats very much like yours. The young man who approached me was quite likable and I am always impressed with candidates who actually go out and campaign in person. Of course I will support her and put a sign in my yard. I know where they live and actually grew up with her husband in the same hood. When I asked where he was going to high school he said Cascia Hall. Ironic to me. Not Central or Rogers where she resides. Not even Booker T. where he probably could have been accepted. Private school. Wonder what the rest of her district thinks of that? My kid is smart, I work hard and am way underemployed because I'm too damn old to be seriously considered for my skill set. NO one replies to my applications. Not state or local government, not business, not friends. My son won't be able to attend a private school. We're working hard to get him into Washington but Edison or Central may be forced upon us. My wife works hard and is at risk for losing her job and guess what...her sister of the same age is finding the same age discrimination I find. Even worse for her she doesn't have a great figure and ex-cheerleader looks like the younger newer college grads. Of course there's lots of jobs if you will simply sacrifice your body, give up your self respect and work for $10hr. (no overtime of course). That's what I did. And forget the retraining education. If you have any time or money left over it gets you very little return on your investment. Maybe $15hr and a chance to wear a uniform.
We're feeling kind of screwed by our system actually. Can you tell? Our real estate taxes and new income reality threaten to force us out of our home. She loses the job we're done. Both credit cards maxed. One car has 160K miles the other is rusting out at 130K. How are you with those facts and figures? I now don't make enough to refinance the existing balance on my old home and struggle to keep it up to the standard of surrounding homes. Yeah, life sucks and lots of my friends and acquaintances are feeling the same hard slaps to the face. Kind of hard to get too patriotic these days.
I'm not whining. I had a lot of chances, made a lot of money and lost a lot. But I never thought that my country and my capitalist system would turn against me. A lot of what I believed for most of my life about politics and business is simply crap and it seems many here on this forum just don't live that life or see that life or recognize the hypocrisy. Gas could be $5gallon and milk as well. Doesn't matter, cause I got $20 week for gas, $150 week for food and thats that. And it looks like I might need to cut back to 2 posts per day.
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Originally posted by waterboy
I'm not whining.
Okay. I did not vote in the primary election last week, either.
"I walk this empty street -- on the boulevard of broken dreams..."
The Pearl District Association hosted a forum with candidates Maria Barnes and Eric Gomez on March 11. Audio files of the forum are posted on BatesLine.com (//%22http://www.batesline.com/archives/2008/03/tulsa-city-council-district-4-fo.html%22).
One follow-up I would have loved to have heard:
Eric Gomez: "I don't think we can fire INCOG in July."
Great follow-up would have been: "How about in August?"
The question was about whether or not the City should renew its contract with INCOG on August 1.
I thought the questions were interesting, and the responses from both candidates were adequate, and not evasive. Councilor Barnes did mention something about her stance on HB1804, but I have no idea what her stance is. Whichever candidate wins, I think District 4 will have good representation. I've voted for Barnes and for Gomez in past elections. I hope the candidates will square off another time or two before the general election.
Thanks to the Pearl District Association for hosting the forum...
I don't trust Gomez at all. His answers seemed very elusive to me. I'll vote for Maria, but if she really thinks she can get INCOG to change their ways she is completely naive and in for a very rude awakening. That tiger can't change it's stripes, it doesn't matter who is at the helm. The city of Tulsa should be in complete control of planning within the city of Tulsa, not INCOG. Like Roscoe says, "The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result".
^ Well, at least Maria Barnes did acknowledge the need to move away from the land planning part of INCOG. I would have much preferred that she and Eric Gomez had said, "No, the City should not renew its contract with INCOG."
Other than transportation planning, the City should cut ties with INCOG as quickly as possible before we all drown in a deluge of white chocolate hot chocolate. August 1 sounds great to me -- it could be a day of liberation.
One of the reasons I'm suggesting revisions to the NCD draft ordinance is to get INCOG out of the process. NCDs should originate with the property owners who really want them, not developers, not INCOG, not the Planning Commission.
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Originally posted by booWorld
^ Well, at least Maria Barnes did acknowledge the need to move away from the land planning part of INCOG. I would have much preferred that she and Eric Gomez had said, "No, the City should not renew its contract with INCOG."
Other than transportation planning, the City should cut ties with INCOG as quickly as possible before we all drown in a deluge of white chocolate hot chocolate. August 1 sounds great to me -- it could be a day of liberation.
One of the reasons I'm suggesting revisions to the NCD draft ordinance is to get INCOG out of the process. NCDs should originate with the property owners who really want them, not developers, not INCOG, not the Planning Commission.
We are on the same page here.
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Originally posted by Double A
Here's another example of Maria grandstanding on the issues. How about her little lectures to all the appointees on the ABC's about how it is so important to show up to those meetings and how if you can't make the commitment you shouldn't be serving? How many Council committee meetings has she missed? Regular Council meetings? If you're gonna talk the talk, you better walk the walk.
Ms. Barnes attended 94 out of 95 meetings.