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Title: Beyond Super Tuesday
Post by: pmcalk on February 06, 2008, 05:06:38 PM
While we could start a new thread for each state, I thought this would be easier.

Next up for the Democrats:
Louisiana primary on Saturday, Nebraska & Washington Caucuses on Saturday (Feb.9)--Obama should do very well in Louisiana.  Because Nebraska & Washington state are caucuses, he has an advantage there as well.

Sunday--Maine caucus.  Does anyone really live in Maine?  I have no idea, but I'll say Obama because it's a caucus.

Next is the Potomac primaries--Md, Va, and DC.  He'll definitely win Md. & DC, and probably Va.  

He needs to do well in those states to push him to Texas, Ohio, & Pennsylvania, where Clinton has the advantage of early organization.
Title: Beyond Super Tuesday
Post by: FOTD on February 06, 2008, 05:41:35 PM
This thing boils down to Texans!

And Ohio? The fix is in.

Oh no.......the Republicans are gonna get their wish.

Time for a thinking peoples' revolution!
Title: Beyond Super Tuesday
Post by: RecycleMichael on February 06, 2008, 06:48:14 PM
I think Hillary will do way better in caucuses (cauci?) this weekend than she did in yesterday's.

Obama won all seven of the caucus states yesterday. They were mostly in states (Alaska, Idaho, Kansas, North Dakota, New Mexico) where Hillary didn't campaign much in because she was focused on the big city delegates.

She did lose the other two state caucus (Minnesota and Colorado) that had big cities and the first caucus in Iowa.

I think Obama was better in the caucus format yesterday and his campaign worked the strategy perfectly. But don't believe that just because it is a caucus, Obama will win. Now that Hillary can focus on those few states, I believe she will make adjustments.

This thing is like a football game. We are now at halftime, with big states still in play. Pennsylvania, Texas and Ohio are the next biggest states and Hillary won easily in New York and California. Remember, this game is tied or Hillary is barely ahead.

Unless we see a wardrobe malfunction soon, the second half should be exciting. I expect more one on one debates and real coverage of the slight differences between what each offer for our vote.

It is great to have two great candidates. If the democrats stick together, this race will be won by the strength of the campaign staff and the ability of the candidate to react to a whirlwind pace, all while being followed by millions of energized Americans.

This is reality TV.
Title: Beyond Super Tuesday
Post by: guido911 on February 06, 2008, 07:27:53 PM
I hear Hillary is planning a cry fest on Thursday. Her chances have just improved...
Title: Beyond Super Tuesday
Post by: pmcalk on February 06, 2008, 07:29:46 PM
Clinton might do better this time because the caucus is on a Saturday, and you are more likely to get labor out on that day.  Still because Washington is a higher income/higher educated state, I think he will win.  Nebraska is like Kansas--likely to win there.  

Additionally, Obama is now beating Clinton financially.  He raised an average of one million dollars a day last month.  On the other hand, Clinton's staff is working without pay this month, and she has loaned herself 5 million for the campaign.  Money isn't everything, but it doesn't hurt.
Title: Beyond Super Tuesday
Post by: guido911 on February 06, 2008, 07:50:50 PM
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0208/Clinton_loaned_her_campaign_5_million.html
Title: Beyond Super Tuesday
Post by: RecycleMichael on February 06, 2008, 11:39:53 PM
That is pretty common at this point in a campaign. She has asked all her friends for money and now they want to make sure that she is ready to do what it takes to win. Putting her own money in is a sign of strength that she is also committed.

Knowing that she has loaned her campaign money is also code for give me more. Remember, this information came from her campaign staff directly.

There are many candidates who only run as far as somebody else's money takes them. You can tell. I think Randi Miller in her run for mayor last time and Fred Thompson for president this time fit. They both were in the race for a while, but surprisingly quiet and ineffective.
Title: Beyond Super Tuesday
Post by: rwarn17588 on February 07, 2008, 12:31:23 AM
<RM wrote:

Putting her own money in is a sign of strength that she is also committed.

<end clip>

Of course, your base giving you $6.3 million in a single DAY (as they did for Obama today) is a sign of bigger strength, no?
Title: Beyond Super Tuesday
Post by: RecycleMichael on February 07, 2008, 07:36:53 AM
Agree.

Obama has been incredible in raising new money. There is usually a small group of people who give to campaigns. Obama has found new people who are giving small amounts again and again.

It is a sign that regular people want to help him win, not just the same people over and over again.

That is one of the reasons why he has energized the democrats like never before.
Title: Beyond Super Tuesday
Post by: Cats Cats Cats on February 07, 2008, 08:53:58 AM
Obama is up to 7 million now.

And 5 million loan = at some point she is going to give up and repay herself with somebody's donations.
Title: Beyond Super Tuesday
Post by: FOTD on February 07, 2008, 12:17:51 PM
Can't fund her own campaign.....so, what's gonna happen with the economy IF she is in control?
Title: Beyond Super Tuesday
Post by: waterboy on February 07, 2008, 03:21:05 PM
quote:
Originally posted by FOTD

Can't fund her own campaign.....so, what's gonna happen with the economy IF she is in control?



Oh, i dunno, maybe we could get another 90's style growing economy with balanced budgets? Most politicians fund their campaigns with borrowed money or donations. You know that. Your starting to sound like someone who has no favorite but damns them all. Is anyone running good enough?
Title: Beyond Super Tuesday
Post by: FOTD on February 07, 2008, 04:10:50 PM
quote:
Originally posted by waterboy

quote:
Originally posted by FOTD

Can't fund her own campaign.....so, what's gonna happen with the economy IF she is in control?



Oh, i dunno, maybe we could get another 90's style growing economy with balanced budgets? Most politicians fund their campaigns with borrowed money or donations. You know that. Your starting to sound like someone who has no favorite but damns them all. Is anyone running good enough?



I support the candidate who will generate enthusiasm which in turn will benefit America's psyche and lift the spirit and the economy. It's not an obligation as the Billary Royalty Machine would have you feel. I will not be choosing between the lessor of two evils.

Title: Beyond Super Tuesday
Post by: iplaw on February 07, 2008, 07:05:00 PM
quote:
Originally posted by FOTD

quote:
Originally posted by waterboy

quote:
Originally posted by FOTD

Can't fund her own campaign.....so, what's gonna happen with the economy IF she is in control?



Oh, i dunno, maybe we could get another 90's style growing economy with balanced budgets? Most politicians fund their campaigns with borrowed money or donations. You know that. Your starting to sound like someone who has no favorite but damns them all. Is anyone running good enough?



I support the candidate who will generate enthusiasm which in turn will benefit America's psyche and lift the spirit and the economy. It's not an obligation as the Billary Royalty Machine would have you feel. I will not be choosing between the lessor of two evils.



Someone's read "The Secret" one too many times...  Happy feelings built upon sunshine and farts do not a stable country or economy make.

Lifting the American psyche...please.  You sound like this guy.


(http://fitness.resourcesforattorneys.com/images/tony-robbins.jpg)
Title: Beyond Super Tuesday
Post by: FOTD on February 07, 2008, 07:28:55 PM
^Sniff sniff....[;)]
Title: Beyond Super Tuesday
Post by: waterboy on February 07, 2008, 08:16:04 PM
quote:
Originally posted by FOTD

quote:
Originally posted by waterboy

quote:
Originally posted by FOTD

Can't fund her own campaign.....so, what's gonna happen with the economy IF she is in control?



Oh, i dunno, maybe we could get another 90's style growing economy with balanced budgets? Most politicians fund their campaigns with borrowed money or donations. You know that. Your starting to sound like someone who has no favorite but damns them all. Is anyone running good enough?



I support the candidate who will generate enthusiasm which in turn will benefit America's psyche and lift the spirit and the economy. It's not an obligation as the Billary Royalty Machine would have you feel. I will not be choosing between the lessor of two evils.





Sounds like a personal problem. Interesting to see that both ends of the spectrum are willing to sit it out rather than choose between the lesser of two evils, meaning of course they are willing to allow the greater of the two evils to be their country's leader. Hillary is not my choice but given a choice between her history and McCain's, I will make a choice.
Title: Beyond Super Tuesday
Post by: USRufnex on February 08, 2008, 11:07:54 AM
quote:
Originally posted by cmatt1

Obama is up to 7 million now.

And 5 million loan = at some point she is going to give up and repay herself with somebody's donations.



IMO... $5 mil loan = BIG PUBLICITY STUNT

Watch for the manipulation of media stories (by the Clinton campaign) in the next few days-- we're the underdog, send $$$ to "poor" Hillary, etc.... while Terry McAuliffe laughs all the way to the bank...

Washington's female governor just endorsed Obama... it'll be interesting to see if their caucuses are more like Nevada's or Colorado's...

Title: Beyond Super Tuesday
Post by: pmcalk on February 08, 2008, 11:59:04 AM
Nevada is nothing like Washington state.  Part of what helped Clinton in Nevada is the large Hispanic population.  The Clintons have rightfully earned a lot of loyalty among the Hispanic population from Bill's presidency.  Obama is starting to get more support, but this go around the number of Hispanics is much, much lower.  In fact, Clinton herself is not putting in much effort in the next round of states, saving instead for Texas, Ohio & Pennsylvania.
Title: Beyond Super Tuesday
Post by: FOTD on February 08, 2008, 02:03:57 PM
Looks like we are in a photo finish that will last months. It will not be determined by delegates as the race will be too damn close to give any one person the necesary threshold to gain the nomination.

Some may attempt to caucus Michigan and Florida but that decision lies with the three co-chairs of the DNC Credentials Committee: Alexis Herman, James Roosevelt, Jr. and Aliseo Roques-Arroyo. All three of them served in the Clinton Administration.

This may well be a very historic Michigan/Florida decision on allocation of delegates...

cute cartoon http://politicalhumor.about.com/od/politicalcartoons/ig/Political-Cartoons/First-and-Ten-Primaries-to-Go.htm
Title: Beyond Super Tuesday
Post by: pmcalk on February 09, 2008, 09:20:05 PM
Looks like Obama got all three today.  Caucuses easily went his way--he did better with these than on Super Tuesday.  While Clinton has done well in the coastal/big states, Obama is certainly showing that he can pull in people from accross the country.
Title: Beyond Super Tuesday
Post by: RecycleMichael on February 09, 2008, 09:39:32 PM
I loved his line in tonight's speech.

"We won in the west coast, we won in the gulf coast and we won in between."
Title: Beyond Super Tuesday
Post by: USRufnex on February 09, 2008, 10:36:12 PM
I heard the entire speech, and heard all sorts of inspiring quotes... don't remember thinking anything at all about the quote above... methinks Obama knows his geography...

Colorado, Minnesota.... Washington, Nebraska...

Oh, and here's the actual quote:  "Today, voters from the West Coast to the Gulf Coast to the heart of America stood up to say 'yes we can'" ... "We won in Louisiana, we won in Nebraska, we won in Washington state, we won North, we won South, we won in between, and I believe that we can win Virginia on Tuesday if you're ready to stand for change,"

Keep spinnin' for Hillary, RM.  [;)]

Title: Beyond Super Tuesday
Post by: RecycleMichael on February 09, 2008, 11:27:01 PM
I misquoted him...I typed it about two minutes after he said it...You had the luxury of looking it up.

I meant it as a compliment to Obama.

I wasn't spinning that for Hillary. Yes, I voted for Hillary, but I really like Obama.

I even like Bama pies because they are spelled kinda like him...we should start an Obama pie...
Title: Beyond Super Tuesday
Post by: FOTD on February 10, 2008, 03:01:24 AM
Them Clintonites are gonna have a hard time getting over this wall! The Superdeli's are gonna look like fools if they fail to pick Barack Obama now. The tide turned tonight. History made!

"But, if the party pulls a 1968, and rams Hillary Clinton down our throats, then the gloves are off."
http://www.opednews.com/articles/1/opedne_stephen_ _080208_chicago_1968___denve.htm

"There is absolutely no greater high than challenging the power stucture as a nobody, giving it your all, and winning." --Abbie Hoffman (Sorry. But after 8 years of neo con nonsense I had to copy Dear Abbie as a counter balance...)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hUngQ8-wLU

Obama's Remarks at the Virginia JJ Dinner

"Together, we will transform this country and the world"

Heady leadership stuff....
keep on truckin'!!!!!!!!