I need to help my daughter with a report.
She has to give an idea of how Oklahomans are feeling about Hillary and Obama.
Do you think Hillary will win in Oklahoma or Obama?
Personally speaking, I am voting for Hillary. It's a woman thing, what can I say[^]
Hill's way ahead in Oklahoma polling.
While I agree that Hillary will win here, I think Barack will do much better than expected. Most of the people whom I know that were Edwards supporters have switched to Obama.
The status quo democrats, those that have need for belt way lobbying, are behind Hillary. She'll carry Oklahoma.
"Heartless powers try to tell us what to think
If the spirit's sleeping then the flesh is ink"
B. Weir
Obama.
Senator Clinton comes with too much baggage to be a viable candidate. If any Democrat thinks John Kerry was a hard sell in '04, just try to sell Hillary & Co.
I think Hillary wins in Oklahoma for 3 main reasons.
#1 and foremost, Bill Clinton is very popular with Oklahoma Democrats
#2, Barrack Obama is black. There are many rural or otherwise "hick" Oklahoman's who still harbor racist feelings. They may be civil to African Americans, but they don't have to vote for one and there are not enough Black Oklahomans to counter it.
and #3, it would bother me. And lords knows this state does whatever it can to bother me. [;)]
I just got an automated phone call from Bill Clinton asking me to vote for Hillary.
I was surprised. I thought he had lost my number.
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Originally posted by HoneySuckle
Personally speaking, I am voting for Hillary. It's a woman thing, what can I say[^]
Is that considered sexist?
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Originally posted by pmcalk
While I agree that Hillary will win here, I think Barack will do much better than expected. Most of the people whom I know that were Edwards supporters have switched to Obama.
Ditto.
I know "consider the source", but this is funny:
http://hotair.com/archives/2008/02/04/hannity-to-pro-obama-luntz-focus-group-name-one-of-his-accomplishments/
Well I was surprised that Hillary won Oklahoma. Seriously, most of my friends hate the Clintons so I thought for sure this was a representation of "the people" in Oklahoma.
I'm happy that Hillary won here, and either way, my vote is going for whichever wins in the end.
Time for change.
1st female president
1st black president
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Originally posted by HoneySuckle
Well I was surprised that Hillary won Oklahoma. Seriously, most of my friends hate the Clintons so I thought for sure this was a representation of "the people" in Oklahoma.
I'm happy that Hillary won here, and either way, my vote is going for whichever wins in the end.
Time for change.
1st female president
1st black president
Well said Honeysuckle. The most important qualification for president is color and gender. Experience, reputation, integrity, those sorts of things, not so much. Make sure that gem gets into your daughter's school report.
i found it interesting (sad...) that Edwards came in 2nd in several Oklahoma counties.
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#2, Barrack Obama is black. There are many rural or otherwise "hick" Oklahoman's who still harbor racist feelings. They may be civil to African Americans, but they don't have to vote for one and there are not enough Black Oklahomans to counter it.
nailed that one.
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Originally posted by HoneySuckle
Well I was surprised that Hillary won Oklahoma. Seriously, most of my friends hate the Clintons so I thought for sure this was a representation of "the people" in Oklahoma.
I'm happy that Hillary won here, and either way, my vote is going for whichever wins in the end.
Time for change.
1st female president
1st black president
You better start "getting it" then.... because the female will not beat the senior manic from Arizona in a head to head butting.
Obama did do better than expected here. Last polls put him at 17%, and he got 31%--almost double. Clinton got about what the polls predicted, which leads me to believe that the Edward's people moved to Obama, not Clinton.
Keep in mind that Obama did not campaign here--no mailers, phone calls, and only a few commercials (most of them national). His strategy, before Edwards dropped out, was that he didn't want to split the anti-Clinton vote with Edwards, so he stayed out.
Did anyone notice that over 20,000 people voted for John Edwards? Are Oklahoman's stupid or do we just not watch the news that much?
I've been waiting for Ms. Clinton to make a great speech and boy she delivered last night. They broke out their best speech writer for that one.
It's obvious the press is still mad at Bill because of his devastating criticism from two weeks ago. But they will get in line. The press like the courts are followers. So she pulled off her victory without help from the press.
As attractive as I find Barack I have to ask what is so hopeful about him? Where is the change he is talking about? I mean the policies that translate into hope and change. He is a chip off the old block playing like he is something new and different. Hang in their Barack and let us watch you, get a sense of who you really are, over the coming years.
As for all the young folks that have joined up, well welcome aboard kids. Get ready for a long and bumpy ride with lots of ups and downs. If you hang in there another 40 years you'll have the perspective I have now. Beautiful losers can't help anyone. Winning is everything in U.S. politics.
If Obama winning more delegates by popular vote and more states than Hillary is a victory for her....I'd like to see what an Obama victory is. I will admit there was no clear winner last night but it is a fact that Obama won more delegates and more states than Hillary.
States Won on Super Tuesday
Hillary - 8
Barack - 13
Delegates by popular vote to date
Hillary - 689
Barack - 697
CBSNews is reporting the following delegate count:
Clinton 974
Obama 906
What would an Obama victory look like? Probably, defeat in the general election and another 4 years of Republican rule.
Obama is one big surprise package. I want to say to Obama (please forgive my historic reference but), "where's the beef."
And it's all well and good for Democrats to split hairs over which is the perfect candidate but we have to look ahead to November and choose a winner to take us to the White House. The Clinton team has done what no other Democrat has done for decades. Two terms.
Now, having said that, I am a loyal Democrat and will support our party's candidate but I'm still mad at Kerry for not being prepared for the Swift Boat thing (did you catch the reference to not being swift boated in Clinton's speech). I hate Ralph Nadir for putting Baby Bush in the White House. I am eternally unhappy with Al Gore for bowing out and handing Bush his first win.
Too many innocent lives hang in the balance to play around.
Hillary's problem is that she's too polarizing. If she gets the dem nod then McCain has a good chance to win. Why? Republicans hate Hillary so much they'll come out in droves. If Obama gets the nod. McCain doesn't have a chance. He'll even lose some votes to Obama. btw, I was referencing delegates won by popular vote in my post. You're posting total delegates won, including super delegates.
Total delegates won by popular vote as of now. (source AP/Huffingtonpost.com)
Hillary - 777
Barack - 784
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Originally posted by Hometown
I've been waiting for Ms. Clinton to make a great speech and boy she delivered last night. They broke out their best speech writer for that one.
You are blinded by Hillary lust.
The speech was not very good at all. The opening was extremely weak. She was obviously and at times awkwardly reading the speech verbatim. She had a really poorly placed pause to recognize the storm victims in the middle (rah yay cheer, lets remember the dead people, pause pause cheer!). She then rambled about states that had not even started to count yet and claimed resounding victories in states she was predicted to win by more than she did. There was little to no substance and the closing was fumbling and non-succinct.
Even though I have nothing nice to say about her as a person nor on a political level, I'd give credit for a good speech. That... was NOT a good speech. Either her other speeches were far worse, your just cheerleading, or you like her so much you are not able to judge credibly.
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Originally posted by izmophonik
Did anyone notice that over 20,000 people voted for John Edwards? Are Oklahoman's stupid or do we just not watch the news that much?
[:D]
Half of Oklahomans probably think Obama is a Muslim terrorist.
Sad. He is the best candidate out there, and he'll get my vote come November... if he's on the ballot.
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Originally posted by pmcalk
Keep in mind that Obama did not campaign here--no mailers, phone calls, and only a few commercials (most of them national).
I got an Obama mailer.
Hometowns not a risk taker but wants mediocrity and that after years of experience at voting. Do you live in a state of fear?
Trusting Billary means being subjected to 4 more years of infighting and divisiveness. Please get it before the country ends up "getting it".
Hawkins, we are in a state of hicks and pricks.
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Originally posted by pmcalk
Keep in mind that Obama did not campaign here--no mailers, phone calls, and only a few commercials (most of them national).
I got an Obama mailer.
I didn't get one, and his campaign has all my info. Maybe they were saving paper to go after lost Edwards voters.
I don't know why I got an Obama mailer and you didn't...
Maybe it is because I am a high probable voter...I vote in every election...
Maybe it is because I am a democrat precinct official...
Maybe because he really knows that I am such an influential poster...
Maybe it is because I am so good-looking...
I got three mailers from Clinton, and a robocall, but nothing from Obama. I was told by someone on his campaign that he didn't intend to do any mailing in Tulsa. Maybe she was wrong, or maybe you are just extra special, RM (we already knew that, though).
I got three mailers from Clinton and two robocalls, one from her and one from her out-of-work husband.
I personally cannot see myself voting as an american for anyone with the Middle name"HUSSIEN"..something just rubs me wrong about it.
Polarizing in this context means, the Clintons were mercilessly attached by the Republican machine because the Republicans couldn't stand a well-liked, successful Democrat. They wanted to distract Clinton, but never did.
You better believe the next Democrat is going to get the same times two.
As for his part, Bill Clinton worked overtime to try and create a bipartisan climate (which the Republicans exploited). Remember his Republican secretary of defense? Remember anything beyond yesterday?
Obama can't take the heat in a very mild Democratic primary, what makes anyone think he can stand up to the Republican hate machine?
Now, FOTD, you call the Clinton economy mediocre. I call real money in the pockets of working people the absolute core of my party's belief.
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Originally posted by mdunn
I personally cannot see myself voting as an american for anyone with the Middle name"HUSSIEN"..something just rubs me wrong about it.
I'm just guessing you wouldn't vote for a woman, either. In fact, I bet you're on of those who base their voting decision on "who you would like to have a beer with." In the words of someone I really don't like: How's that working out for you?
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Originally posted by pmcalk
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Originally posted by mdunn
I personally cannot see myself voting as an american for anyone with the Middle name"HUSSIEN"..something just rubs me wrong about it.
I'm just guessing you wouldn't vote for a woman, either. In fact, I bet you're on of those who base their voting decision on "who you would like to have a beer with." In the words of someone I really don't like: How's that working out for you?
And Im guessing you felt sorry for sadam when they hung him!Im guessing you didnt get taken away from your family 2 times like I did to go to middle east and see what kind of lunatics live in those countrys!.
So dont cry when you see a sign on a vacant lot in your blessed neighborhood that says"Future Site of Islamland"!
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Originally posted by mdunn
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Originally posted by pmcalk
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Originally posted by mdunn
I personally cannot see myself voting as an american for anyone with the Middle name"HUSSIEN"..something just rubs me wrong about it.
I'm just guessing you wouldn't vote for a woman, either. In fact, I bet you're on of those who base their voting decision on "who you would like to have a beer with." In the words of someone I really don't like: How's that working out for you?
And Im guessing you felt sorry for sadam when they hung him!Im guessing you didnt get taken away from your family 2 times like I did to go to middle east and see what kind of lunatics live in those countrys!.
So dont cry when you see a sign on a vacant lot in your blessed neighborhood that says"Future Site of Islamland"!
What has that got to do with anything? I am not so superficial as to base my support on a name, so therefore I support islamic terrorists? If you do not support Obama or Clinton because you think they won't be good at defense, then fine--I disagree, but that is a legitimate position. If you vote against someone because of their name, well, that's as stupid as voting for someone because you would like to have a beer with them.
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Originally posted by mdunn
I personally cannot see myself voting as an american for anyone with the Middle name"HUSSIEN"..something just rubs me wrong about it.
Sad. And to think in the future there could be a candidate with the middle name Jesus
and he too would be disqualified based on your simple thought.