I am hearing rumor that a local family is wanting to purchase the land located at 69th where riverside and peoria meet to build a nice hotel such as a hilton or marriot.
Right now, its a big empty field with a for sale sign up. Anyone heard this at all?
They had said a place called "7000 riverside parkway" was in the works for some time. I'd want to talk to incog before I built there. That intersection may not stay as is. One incog map shows peoria being rerouted to intersect 71st instead of riverside.
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Originally posted by sgrizzle
They had said a place called "7000 riverside parkway" was in the works for some time. I'd want to talk to incog before I built there. That intersection may not stay as is. One incog map shows peoria being rerouted to intersect 71st instead of riverside.
they need to do something. Between the traffic that backs up on riverside at rush hour and all the accidents they have, its a horrible intersection. I will try and get more information this weekend on it.
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Originally posted by TUalum0982
I am hearing rumor that a local family is wanting to purchase the land located at 69th where riverside and peoria meet to build a nice hotel such as a hilton or marriot.
Right now, its a big empty field with a for sale sign up. Anyone heard this at all?
not even CLOSE to enough land there. I used to work in the riverbridge building that was right behind there. That is a small lot.
there might be a lifestyle center there at best. Also it is right next to a really crappy part of town.
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Originally posted by sgrizzle
They had said a place called "7000 riverside parkway" was in the works for some time. I'd want to talk to incog before I built there. That intersection may not stay as is. One incog map shows peoria being rerouted to intersect 71st instead of riverside.
That has been in the "works" for something like 8 years. I don't expect to see that development any time soon...or ever.
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Originally posted by inteller
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Originally posted by TUalum0982
I am hearing rumor that a local family is wanting to purchase the land located at 69th where riverside and peoria meet to build a nice hotel such as a hilton or marriot.
Right now, its a big empty field with a for sale sign up. Anyone heard this at all?
not even CLOSE to enough land there. I used to work in the riverbridge building that was right behind there. That is a small lot.
there might be a lifestyle center there at best. Also it is right next to a really crappy part of town.
IMO there is plenty of room there. A decently sized nice hotel could easily fit within that area of land. From what I have been told, it is going to the be bumgarners (sp) who plan on building there. I believe this would be the same bumgarner (chris bumgarner) who is building Utica Place. Guess we will wait and see.
I wish he would build a hotel/office/condo building on the corner of 21st and utica where the old Helmerich and Payne headquarters used to be. Something like Utica Place but larger and with a large loggia fronting 21st having retail/cafes on the street level for that entire block would be stunning.
But I do agree there is pleeeenty of room for a hotel there. Unless your a suburbanite that can only envision a low rise building and surface parking. [xx(] Though not at all sure why anyone would put a hotel there versus lots of other more obvious locations in other parts of town?
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Originally posted by TheArtist
I wish he would build a hotel/office/condo building on the corner of 21st and utica where the old Helmerich and Payne headquarters used to be. Something like Utica Place but larger and with a large loggia fronting 21st having retail/cafes on the street level for that entire block would be stunning.
But I do agree there is pleeeenty of room for a hotel there. Unless your a suburbanite that can only envision a low rise building and surface parking. [xx(] Though not at all sure why anyone would put a hotel there versus lots of other more obvious locations in other parts of town?
You're on Riverside, which has easy access to the rest of the city. You're on 71st street which has access to the major retail/restraunt part of town. You're right across the river from US-75 and soon-to-come Tulsa Hills. I don't think it is bad location at all aside from the fact that traffic is already stupid slow at that intersection. I'd also prefer something different than a hotel there, since I live close.
Ok, which spot are we talking about here? The wedge shaped piece of land? That is tagged for a lifestyle center.
Now that the Bumgartners have started South Town Square I dunno if this will go anywhere for the next year or so.
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Originally posted by inteller
Ok, which spot are we talking about here? The wedge shaped piece of land? That is tagged for a lifestyle center.
Now that the Bumgartners have started South Town Square I dunno if this will go anywhere for the next year or so.
Yes I think thats the one you are thinking of. It has a "7000 Riverside" sign on the south end of the piece of land. If you are headed north on Riverside the piece of vacant land to your NE right as you go through the light where Peoria meets Riverside. To the west of where the laundry mat, and chicken char is.
I assume you all heard about the hotel at 169 and 91st. NO real relation, just sayin' new hotels are poppin up.
Also, why are there no midtown hotels? I figured TU could support one by itself. Then you have the fairgrounds, some businesses, and proximity to downtown (for those that don't want to stay downtown but have a convention/whatever). Not too mention just regular use by visitors.
Just seems strange.
I just took a look at that parcel on my GIS system. It would have to be a really small hotel with a really large multi-story parking facility. I don't think they could make parking count otherwise. There is also a huge amount street improvement commitment necessary to make a hotel on this site acceptable.
Who knows, perhaps they have found a way? I'd love to 3D model it if it ever gets going! What a great location for a well designed hotel!
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Originally posted by Gaspar
I just took a look at that parcel on my GIS system. It would have to be a really small hotel with a really large multi-story parking facility. I don't think they could make parking count otherwise. There is also a huge amount street improvement commitment necessary to make a hotel on this site acceptable.
Who knows, perhaps they have found a way? I'd love to 3D model it if it ever gets going! What a great location for a well designed hotel!
I say buy the square plot across peoria, build a huge structured parking deck, and connect it across Peoria with a breezeway.
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Originally posted by cannon_fodder
I assume you all heard about the hotel at 169 and 91st. NO real relation, just sayin' new hotels are poppin up.
Also, why are there no midtown hotels? I figured TU could support one by itself. Then you have the fairgrounds, some businesses, and proximity to downtown (for those that don't want to stay downtown but have a convention/whatever). Not too mention just regular use by visitors.
Just seems strange.
Most business people who travel to Tulsa and go downtown either stay at the doubletree downtown or they go to hotel road off 31st and Memorial. They also use the Marriot at 71st and Lewis, since its a straight shot once they get on 75N.
To many people, 31st and Memorial is midtown.
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Originally posted by cannon_fodder
I assume you all heard about the hotel at 169 and 91st. NO real relation, just sayin' new hotels are poppin up.
Also, why are there no midtown hotels? I figured TU could support one by itself. Then you have the fairgrounds, some businesses, and proximity to downtown (for those that don't want to stay downtown but have a convention/whatever). Not too mention just regular use by visitors.
Just seems strange.
Most business people who travel to Tulsa and go downtown either stay at the doubletree downtown or they go to hotel road off 31st and Memorial. They also use the Marriot at 71st and Lewis, since its a straight shot once they get on 75N.
To many people, 31st and Memorial is midtown.
try 51st/memorial
Those people are misinformed.
Give me a hotel by Utica Square and I'll stay in it every time I'm in town.
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Originally posted by Floyd
Those people are misinformed.
Give me a hotel by Utica Square and I'll stay in it every time I'm in town.
and pay out the donkey.
Basically my prorblem is two fold:
1) Any visitor to TU (I advise several travelers coming to their away games at Tulsa + students visiting) have to stay downtown. AND no hotels downtown are really near entertainment except the Adams Mark.
2) I live near 31st and Harvard. No where close for my company to stay. Seems strange in the middle of the city.
AND... while I'm at it, why no hotels near any entertainment areas? The Brady, Blue Dome, Cherry Street, Brookside... no hotels. What gives? Often travelers look for hotels near a bar district so they can go out and just stagger back to the hotel - you pretty much can not do that in Tulsa. Which sucks.
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Originally posted by cannon_fodder
Basically my prorblem is two fold:
1) Any visitor to TU (I advise several travelers coming to their away games at Tulsa + students visiting) have to stay downtown. AND no hotels downtown are really near entertainment except the Adams Mark.
2) I live near 31st and Harvard. No where close for my company to stay. Seems strange in the middle of the city.
AND... while I'm at it, why no hotels near any entertainment areas? The Brady, Blue Dome, Cherry Street, Brookside... no hotels. What gives? Often travelers look for hotels near a bar district so they can go out and just stagger back to the hotel - you pretty much can not do that in Tulsa. Which sucks.
holy **** dude....when was the last time you were actually downtown.....it hasn't been the Adams Mark FOR YEARS.
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Originally posted by Floyd
Those people are misinformed.
Give me a hotel by Utica Square and I'll stay in it every time I'm in town.
and pay out the donkey.
It's still Tulsa. It's not like a hotel near the nice part of town would be a Ritz or a Mandarin or even a Hilton. Just give me a nice pleasant Marriott near shops and dining.
I know, a nice hotel right there by Utica Square where the Helmerich and Payne building was... It would be THE place I would tell people to stay. It could definitely be a place that would impress people. Smack dab in the most beautiful part of the city. All north facing rooms would have a stunning view of downtown. You could walk to dining and shopping if you wanted, near Philbrook,Cherry Street, all the historic stuff. People with friends or loved ones at the hospitals in the area would have a place closeby. Brookside, Downtown, the Fairgrounds are nearby. It would have its own park behind it, aka Swan Lake. Stick a snazzy rooftop/bar on top with that view, in that area.... It would be knockout.
Are the developers in this town daft to not see the potential there? And your right, they probably could charge a fortune (in Tulsa standards) for the rooms there.
^^^
And you are just as sure that COHN will sign on to this project..?
If so give Walt a call..
Heck.. go visit with him... He's a nice enough fellow.
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Originally posted by TheArtist
I know, a nice hotel right there by Utica Square where the Helmerich and Payne building was... It would be THE place I would tell people to stay. It could definitely be a place that would impress people. Smack dab in the most beautiful part of the city. All north facing rooms would have a stunning view of downtown. You could walk to dining and shopping if you wanted, near Philbrook,Cherry Street, all the historic stuff. People with friends or loved ones at the hospitals in the area would have a place closeby. Brookside, Downtown, the Fairgrounds are nearby. It would have its own park behind it, aka Swan Lake. Stick a snazzy rooftop/bar on top with that view, in that area.... It would be knockout.
Are the developers in this town daft to not see the potential there? And your right, they probably could charge a fortune (in Tulsa standards) for the rooms there.
I suppose the Swan neighborhood could protest if someone did propose to build a hotel there? I need no reason why that prime piece of land sits unused. Baffling, really. Utica Place actually had to level an apartment complex to build. This is just unused land with the best location in town. I guess I could see how there could be neighborhood pressures against having tourists/visitors congregating in their backyards. Still, I think it would be a benefit for all of Tulsa.
I have no idea why COHN or the neighbors would be against the idea. There had already been a large, and quite ugly, building there for years. Replacing it with something beautiful and tasteful shouldnt be cause for concern. Would certainly beat what was there, and what is there now. I really dont think Swan Lake would be swarming with tourists, just perhaps the occasional person out for a stroll. It used to have lots of people visit back in the day for picnics, rowing in little boats, etc. So actually having more people in the area would be more "historically accurate" as concerning the COHN people anyway lol. But again, not gonna actually happen.
"But again, not gonna actually happen."<The Artist.
I thought this was the sort of an attitude that you filed as being one of the problems with Tulsa..?
Heck.... Talk to Walt... Talk with the Davis'..
An articulate person, such as yourself, might show them how they can turn "wasteland" into money and a living memorial to things they have done for the city..
All of these individuals are not against development. They just like it done tastefully, with room for profit.
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Originally posted by Rico
"But again, not gonna actually happen."<The Artist.
I thought this was the sort of an attitude that you filed as being one of the problems with Tulsa..?
Heck.... Talk to Walt... Talk with the Davis'..
An articulate person, such as yourself, might show them how they can turn "wasteland" into money and a living memorial to things they have done for the city..
All of these individuals are not against development. They just like it done tastefully, with room for profit.
I was talking about the " tourists swarming all over Swan Lake" thing as what was "not gonna happen".
I suppose it wouldnt hurt to throw an idea out to someone. I will scribble up a sketch one evening with some thoughts and put it out here for you all to tear down, I mean, to give constructive criticism to. [:P]
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Originally posted by Rico
"But again, not gonna actually happen."<The Artist.
I thought this was the sort of an attitude that you filed as being one of the problems with Tulsa..?
Heck.... Talk to Walt... Talk with the Davis'..
An articulate person, such as yourself, might show them how they can turn "wasteland" into money and a living memorial to things they have done for the city..
All of these individuals are not against development. They just like it done tastefully, with room for profit.
I was talking about the " tourists swarming all over Swan Lake" thing as what was "not gonna happen".
I suppose it wouldnt hurt to throw an idea out to someone. I will scribble up a sketch one evening with some thoughts and put it out here for you all to tear down, I mean, to give constructive criticism to. [:P]
That in poker would be called showing your hand......
If you are serious... Put something together and "deal directly" don't allow the Tulsa Noise filter to make it into something it is not..
Besides... I doubt Walt or the others are much into reading Tulsa Now.