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TulsaNow hijacked Print E-mail
By David Arnett
Tuesday, 20 November 2007
ImageTulsaNow.org has disappeared from its traditional location. In an e-mail distributed this afternoon, forum staff report, "TulsaNow is not currently in control of the TulsaNow.org domain name. That issue is being resolved, but [not quickly]."
Apparently, someone else wanted the URL and paid to reserve it should it become available. TulsaNow apparently did not pay the re-registration fee in a timely manner. The details, staff say, are somewhat "gruesome," but they believe they can recapture the original address.
Those addicted to anonymous pontification, insults and firebombing of public policy are encouraged to find the forum at its temporary location (click here) as a dot net. TulsaNow the organization may also be reached at the dot net address (click here), but content is several months old.
TulsaNow the organization has faded in credibility as the forum has gained in the number of anonymous postings. The number of real people posting is also declining as idiots set up multiple user names to further egocentric if not truly mad ravings.
While TulsaNow the organization could rally hundreds of civic minded Tulsans to debate Vision 2025 in 2003, only a handful showed this year to hear debate on the Arkansas River Development proposal.
Last Updated ( Tuesday, 20 November 2007 )
150 is a handful?
I seem to remember seeing the author come in early, gladhand a bit and leave before the even even started.
I'd like to know the inside information about egocentric idiots using mutiple accounts for mad ravings. How would he know that unless...?
I don't know of a single idiot using multiple handles. More accurately, we have multiple idiots using single handles.[;)]
Well, where else can a firebombing, self pontificating fool go to watch it swirl 'bout the bowl. Good to be back!
Gasp! Anonymous posting on an internet forum. no way.
Perhaps, now this is just a thought, but maybe people enjoy the open FREEDOM of discussing politics, religion, race, and other hot topics without fearing retribution on any level. Not only do I not want perspective employers learning my political ideals before they learn my work ethic; but as the author points out, there are nut jobs on the internet.
Good thing all our founding fathers and notable documents were written with their real names... oh wait.
David Arnett called us egocentric?
That would make him ego-universal.
It's not that I'm egocentric, it's just that I'm the only person that matters.
I'm offering to swap avatars with Arnett when/if he ever shows back up. It's more appropriate for him.
Remember that fiasco he called a forum?
I think Friendly Bear was the brain of the group.
Arnett's got room to talk about the relevance of TulsaNow comparing V-2025 and the river tax. V-2025 could get 60% approval from the voters, a David Arnett-led (more or less) campaign for the river tax could only muster 47.5%.
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Originally posted by Neptune
Remember that fiasco he called a forum?
I thought Tulsa Today had a forum at one time. It was populated with trolls, nutjobs, and assorted reptiles, so much so that I felt like washing my hands and the keyboard after visiting there.
Sounds like Arnett should spend some time on Usenet.
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Originally posted by Chicken Little
I don't know of a single idiot using multiple handles. More accurately, we have multiple idiots using single handles.[;)]
Kakie was using the handle
Jeff Man as a sockpuppet...
http://www.tulsanow.net/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=7987&whichpage=1
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Originally posted by USRufnex
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Originally posted by Chicken Little
I don't know of a single idiot using multiple handles. More accurately, we have multiple idiots using single handles.[;)]
Kakie was using the handle Jeff Man as a sockpuppet...
http://www.tulsanow.net/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=7987&whichpage=1
Uncool. Note that it only took about half a dozen "me too" posts before somebody had nailed this guy/gal. So, in an indirect way, it sort of underscores the point that, anonymous or not, this is a fairly credible bunch of people and a tenable conversation that they have going.
I can think of lots of "real world" babble, by "very serious people", that can't hold a candle to this.
Very serious people?
I thought you were a Chicken!
David hit the nail on the head once again and he needs commended for it, instead of being put down.
I and others have tried to convey this message to all of you before, only to fall on deaf ears. I'm sure David is like I and that is I like many of you but the substance of this forum from being a voice for Tulsa has turned into a chat room of friends.
The Fox23 forum and the Tulsa World forum has now filled in the void for a Tulsa voice.
The Tulsa World forum is not really a discussion forum. It is a place where you might be able to get your opinion posted and then have subordinate comments pasted to it. From what I can tell, a new opinion is allowed about once a week and attracts about 4 comments.
Fox23 is better, but the activity level is low. ON a given day 3, maybe 4 topics have any activity. 13 active threads so far this week. While it does provide a forum for discussion, the activity level is pretty low.
I did not read enough of it to judge the merits of the discussion. Nor would I be able to set a baseline for what is a good discussion. At TulsaNow we have frank discussions of pertinent, important and passionate topics. Some agree, some disagree, and some throw fits.
Any good community will eventually evolve into a chat room for friends. Why is that a bad thing? Must I discuss important things only with non-friends?
While much of the conversation on here is often "chit chat" there are threads on many topics, including the river, where I have seen some very good discssions and have been able to learn a lot. Whenever a major topic comes up, the debates can become heated, different people join in and offer their perspectives. We have a pretty good range of people on here, many who keep track of whats going on and who is doing what. I really enjoy seeing how some discussions evolve, how the information builds and and arguments shake out.
There is a huge range of topics on here, some more serious some, like photo threads or, "I have a cat to sell" lol, less so. The range is nice. As soon as another major Tulsa topic comes up again, I am sure we will see some good discussions on it.
One thing I noticed though when the TN site went down was that on the first page you barely noticed the "Forum" section. I think it should stand out more if that change could be made.
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Originally posted by Porky
David hit the nail on the head once again and he needs commended for it, instead of being put down.
I and others have tried to convey this message to all of you before, only to fall on deaf ears. I'm sure David is like I and that is I like many of you but the substance of this forum from being a voice for Tulsa has turned into a chat room of friends.
The Fox23 forum and the Tulsa World forum has now filled in the void for a Tulsa voice.
Now, hold up a minute there, Porky. I remember when you first started posting, your "jokes" and whatnot, how you promoted, then restricted access to, then apparently closed, your own board.
Did you ever stop to think that maybe it's
your views that aren't mainstream? Maybe you and the two or three regulars at the Tulsa World (and their 50 or so sockpuppets) are not the "voice of Tulsa". Maybe there aren't enough of
you to sustain a single board, let alone five or six.
Maybe, when you let people post without fear of retaliation from every vindictive karlrovebot in Tulsa, they end up being a lot like Tulsanow...sort of conservative, sort of liberal, sort of libertarian, and sort of argumentative.
IMO, that's real life. If you are seeking a "comfortable place", there are plenty of those around. Unfortunately, they don't get much traffic. I think I know why.
Hey Porky.... could you see this at the Tulsa World or Fox News......?
(http://www.i5.photobucket.com/albums/y179/rico2/Porky_.jpg)
[}:)]
I used to belong to a guitar forum, that turned into maybe 30% guitar/music talk, the rest was pretty much a lot like we talk about here.
I think the best community/neighborhood info anyhwere about Tulsa is right here. I've learned an awful lot about Tulsa from the forum and it's gotten me far more interested in the community.
I like our dysfuntional forum family. There are people I argue with all the time, but I would never hesitate to sit down and buy them a beer...
...then drag them out back and...
Just kidding!
What Conan said.
I think Porky's and Arnett's "warnings" are hollow. TulsaNow continues to thrive, while Porky's and Arnett's forums were DOA or went belly-up.
If you two are such an experts about forums, why did yours suck?
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Originally posted by rwarn17588
What Conan said.
I think Porky's and Arnett's "warnings" are hollow. TulsaNow continues to thrive, while Porky's and Arnett's forums were DOA or went belly-up.
If you two are such an experts about forums, why did yours suck?
That's a fair question and you're correct, the forum your referring to that I had did suck. You won't get an argument from me on that one. lol Nor on a couple I attempted after that. But at least I tried and I did learn from my mistakes and now I have a good forum. It's not a large forum but it is a good one and it will grow.
And that's all I'm saying here, get this place back on track if you wish to make it a valid voice for Tulsa. If some of you choose to bash me, go ahead and knock yourself out. But that won't make TulsaNow a valid voice again.
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Originally posted by Conan71
I think the best community/neighborhood info anyhwere about Tulsa is right here. I've learned an awful lot about Tulsa from the forum and it's gotten me far more interested in the community.
I like our dysfuntional forum family. There are people I argue with all the time, but I would never hesitate to sit down and buy them a beer...
...then drag them out back and...
Just kidding!
Same goes for me too. I might take you up on that offer. The first rule of fight club is you don't talk about fight club.[;)]
C'mon Porky.... Lighten up.
Mister Arnett says we hide behind screen names......
Here you go this is the real me....
(http://www.i5.photobucket.com/albums/y179/rico2/BillO.jpg)
No need for my name now is there.....?
[:D]
Here's what I've seen. During elections or major city government decisions, this has been a great sounding board to get both sides of the issue. Predictably, readership and participation go up when there are major issues in the city, so I'd say TN is pretty relevant, because there's more traffic. It means people are trying to find information and it's one of the few places which allows interactive discussion on local news and politics.
I'm glad the forum allows anonymity, you never know who you might be talking to on here who otherwise might be restricted from commenting due to their job or other reasons. I think it allows for more candid conversation.
I've had many pre-concieved notions about issues dispelled or proven by others on this forum.
When there's no major issues, sure TN might seem a little irrelevant but that's par for the course. Just wait till spring elections, or the report from the roads committee and it's going to seem real relevant again.
Arnett's just pissed TN wasn't his brain-child.
This is funny, Compete.com (//%22http://siteanalytics.compete.com/tulsanow.org+tulsatoday.com/?metric=uv%22) has TulsaNow with more hits than Toady's.
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Originally posted by tim huntzinger
This is funny, Compete.com (//%22http://siteanalytics.compete.com/tulsanow.org+tulsatoday.com/?metric=uv%22) has TulsaNow with more hits than Toady's.
So does every other site stat. Gets in his craw.