I will be graduating from college in December and my fiancee and I will be moving back to Tulsa.
I had heard about several Loft apartments that were being created in the IDP, and was wondering if anyone lived in any of them, and how their experiences have been. We are looking at the Phil Tower Lofts. We had really liked the first street lofts in the blue dome district, but we understand that they won't be ready any time soon.
Also, a friend mentioned the Arlington Arms Apartments near 14th and St. Louis but I can't find any information on this complex online. Does anyone live there or know more about them. Perhaps have a website or contact information.
Also anyone else who has a recommendation. My fiancee will be an intern for a Union Elementry school, so we would be more than happy to look at good apartments in the Union District.
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Originally posted by Suprcel
I will be graduating from college in December and my fiancee and I will be moving back to Tulsa.
I had heard about several Loft apartments that were being created in the IDP, and was wondering if anyone lived in any of them, and how their experiences have been. We are looking at the Phil Tower Lofts. We had really liked the first street lofts in the blue dome district, but we understand that they won't be ready any time soon.
Also, a friend mentioned the Arlington Arms Apartments near 14th and St. Louis but I can't find any information on this complex online. Does anyone live there or know more about them. Perhaps have a website or contact information.
Also anyone else who has a recommendation. My fiancee will be an intern for a Union Elementry school, so we would be more than happy to look at good apartments in the Union District.
Union has probably 100 complexes in their district. Most in the $1per sqft (+/-) range.
Stay with a low-digit address if you can. You'll pay more, but you get lots of smug to go with it.
I've got a cheap, quiet, small 1 bedroom, furnished, 31st and Harvard area, six months lease.
You could always hop over here, give yourself time to relocate.
Hey, I live at the 31st and Harvard area. Nice area.
The lofts going in are pretty neat from what I have seen and the Blue Dome district is usually hopin'. Many hope it ends up being the new focus of urban development. Worry about moving to Union schools or other "family" things when you have to. Plenty of time for 2 cats in the yard and a two stall garage later in life.
We were only thinking about being in Union so she wouldn't have to comute that far, she is from a small rural area, and doesn't like to drive in Tulsa much.
Also I forgot to mention that we have a small dog, so we need to find a place that will let him in and not charge us an arm and leg for it.
My complex is out. No pets. Sorry. We've got no real space for them, and being furnished, well you get the picture. I ain't planning to change that rule anytime soon.
If your preference is the Union School district, let's just get rid of the idea of living downtown. But, be warned, many of the complexes in that area are newer, younger, and louder, and some of them are "low-rent" or THA complexes. Just the way it works.
Arlington Arms, never heard of it. Knowing the area, it's probably a smaller complex like mine (16 units).
I lived at the Vintage on Yale on 81st for a few months after college and my neighbor had a little puppy. It is on the Union/Jenks border. It was pretty nice but $$$.
I understand the no pet rule. If I owned an apartment complex that would probably be the rule I would have too.
The only reason that we are keeping the idea of downtown in our minds is that she will be driving the opposite of most traffic during the rush hours.
I would avoid any property that Perry Properties manages if maintenance is an issue for you. Maintenance is non-existant BUT, if you have pets, don't want a landlord in your face all the time and low rent then you might consider. They have units on Riverside, 21st and Cincinnati, 15th and the Broken Arrow Expressway. Just type in Perry Properties, Tulsa in your browser.
Another thread had a link to this Urban Tulsa article on Downtown proximity housing: Urban Tulsa (//%22http://www.urbantulsa.com/gyrobase/Content?oid=18186%22)
There are lots of cool older apartments in the Swan Lake, Cherry Street and Riverview areas that are usually brick with balconies and hard woods that are very reasonable. Check 13th to 14th on Carson, 15th to 17th on Baltimore, 14th to 15th North of Cherry Street and South of 15th on St Louis and around the Lincoln Plaza Center. 18th to 22nd on Boston and Cincinnati.
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Originally posted by Suprcel
Also, a friend mentioned the Arlington Arms Apartments near 14th and St. Louis but I can't find any information on this complex online. Does anyone live there or know more about them. Perhaps have a website or contact information.
If memory serves me correctly, Arlington Arms is one of the pre-war apartment buildings that are on the south side of the Broken Arrow Expressway, close to downtown. The x-way would be right in your front yard, but the view of downtown would be fantastic. I know nothing about the condition of the property or the rents, but instinct tells me they could be real gems with the right owners and tennants. Probably prime candidates for restoration and condo-conversion in the future. The expressway so close would make a convenient commute to jobs further southeast (Union Schools) and the dining/entertainment venues of 15th Street would only be a 30-second walk away.
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Originally posted by Suprcel
I will be graduating from college in December and my fiancee and I will be moving back to Tulsa.
I had heard about several Loft apartments that were being created in the IDP, and was wondering if anyone lived in any of them, and how their experiences have been. We are looking at the Phil Tower Lofts. We had really liked the first street lofts in the blue dome district, but we understand that they won't be ready any time soon.
Also, a friend mentioned the Arlington Arms Apartments near 14th and St. Louis but I can't find any information on this complex online. Does anyone live there or know more about them. Perhaps have a website or contact information.
Also anyone else who has a recommendation. My fiancee will be an intern for a Union Elementry school, so we would be more than happy to look at good apartments in the Union District.
Union has probably 100 complexes in their district. Most in the $1per sqft (+/-) range.
Stay with a low-digit address if you can. You'll pay more, but you get lots of smug to go with it.
Estancia is at 77th and Mingo. I have lived here since they open and have loved it. 1200 sq ft bdrm/1 bath apt with garage runs us 851 a month. Includes stand up shower, garden tub, stainless steel appliances, washer/dryer, 24hr workout facility, valet trash service, huge swimming pool and hot tub, etc. They have several diff floor plans to choose from.
Since you want to live close to her work, this would definately be a place to check out.
A friend lives at the Barcelona 51st & Yale across from LaFortune Park. The complex is about 30 years old but they've gone through and renovated. There's also a block of units which are nearing complete re-build due to a fire.
Good neighbors, no broken down cars on blocks in the parking lot, relatively quiet, and I see people walking their dogs frequently- mostly ankle-biters. Rent is reasonable, I think around $550-$600 for a one BR.
but wait, you are one of those "young professionals" that were supposed to go elsewhere when the river tax failed. I'm sorry, but in order to prove the mayor right you simply can't move back to tulsa.
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but wait, you are one of those "young professionals" that were supposed to go elsewhere when the river tax failed. I'm sorry, but in order to prove the mayor right you simply can't move back to tulsa.
But look what kind of living they are looking for. Lofts and were looking at the Philtower. It does show that a lot of young people are looking for a certain lifestyle. The jobs are here, but is the lifestyle? At least these young people have a connection with the area since they say they are moving back. Regardless of whether the tax failed or not, the city pushing to do whatever it can to make the city more attractive to young people and competitive by offering that lifestyle, encouraging the right kind of developments, and of course having jobs, can only help.
Suprcel.. There are a lot of new lofts going in, but like you say many arent finished yet. But getting there. Check out the "Urban Tulsa" article it does mention some. There are still not very many loft or "urban type" living options in Tulsa. But we are getting there. Several of the mentions on here have been your typical apartment complexes like the "Estancia", there are plenty of those that are decent but I am not sure that is what you are looking for?
Just out of curiosity. What college did you go to and why did you leave Tulsa to go to college? One of my concerns is that we need to grow our colleges here so that so many of our young people will not have to leave in order to get an education. You may not have left specifically for that reason though.
Oh, and welcome back and good luck. [:)]
"Young professionals" will end up moving to Tulsa DESPITE the fact that the river tax failed... not because of it. The argument seems to be that young professionals will move to Tulsa... get bored... and leave... (I don't completly trust that argument, btw... think some of it masks a desire from the you-know-who's to keep their trust-fund-twentysomthing kids in town... they grow up soooooo fast... [:O])
The best thing for me about moving to Tulsa was the standard 6mo or 7mo lease.... I renewed my lease and will renew again, but it gives me a chance to get to know Tulsa a little better and a chance to save some $$$ before looking to buy someplace else...
There are tons of apts in the Union district... Estancia is probably a good choice ($851 for 1200 sq feet)... I went on the low end/cheap and don't have problems or feel unsafe-- of course I moved from a low end/cheaper apt in Chicago, so I guess it's all a matter of perspective... I live in a small one bdr off 41st and Garnett... but will move closer to downtown (looking at condos but also discovered a few nice homes in Owen Park I've got my eye on)...
I am familiar with Arlington Arms. The property is run by Alves Properties and their number is (918)585-1212. A friend of mine took me to his buddies apartment at Arlington Arms a few weeks ago. He has a 2 bedroom on the top floor and I think he said his rent was about $650/mo.
The view of the downtown skyline was amazing but parking seemed like it would be a problem. I called Alves Properties a few weeks ago to see what they had available because I am moving to the downtown area at the end of the month. They had a few apartments around 12th & Elgin area that I really liked. Rent was pretty cheap. All 2 bedroom apartments from $550/mo to $625/mo.
I'm not very familiar with that part of town, so if anyone has any information I would be glad to hear it.
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I am familiar with Arlington Arms. The property is run by Alves Properties and their number is (918)585-1212. A friend of mine took me to his buddies apartment at Arlington Arms a few weeks ago. He has a 2 bedroom on the top floor and I think he said his rent was about $650/mo.
The view of the downtown skyline was amazing but parking seemed like it would be a problem. I called Alves Properties a few weeks ago to see what they had available because I am moving to the downtown area at the end of the month. They had a few apartments around 12th & Elgin area that I really liked. Rent was pretty cheap. All 2 bedroom apartments from $550/mo to $625/mo.
I'm not very familiar with that part of town, so if anyone has any information I would be glad to hear it.
Be wary of 12th & Elgin. Close to the Home Depot and convenient but scary. One really nice multi level apartment building sits in the middle of it all but still...
Arlington Arms was renovated back in the 90's I think. A good location and cool depression era styling. Look also at some apartments scattered through Maple Ridge starting at 21st west to the river and South to 31st. Some condo's in there too.
The area of downtown near Home Depot is sketchy, but as far as I know it is not a high crime area. Just an intersection of downtown and older somewhat rundown neighborhoods. Which is probably why the rent is so reasonable. The area directly North of there is under constant talk of renovation and not too far away new row houses went up in the Pearl district.
Its such a shame we do not have any real, decent, urban neighborhoods to offer people. Most of the newer apartments and living options are the suburban type.
Not saying the problem near 11th & Elgin is cured, but closing that ramshackle liquor store near the IDL bridge seems to have had an impact on the foot traffic in the area when I drive by now vs. a few years back.
I was saying the same thing to my wife just yesterday Artist.
I'm surprised some developer hasn't taken a block in the pearl area/downtown or West of TU and turned it into an urban neighborhood.
1. Small retail spaces for barber/market/bar type places. Also could have some small office space for accounting, attorneys or the like.
2. Apartment/condos above the retail.
3. Apartment building with ~16 units
4. Several "brown stone" style houses.
Prefer underground parking. If cost prohibitive have an obscure lot.
Negotiate a bus stop with the city, shuttles with TU, etc. to encourage car free living.
Just shooting the breeze here, but it seems workable.
Arlington Arms is very nice for the price, I looked at them a few years ago, but opted for the apartment at 12th & Elgin. I lived there for over two years and never had any problems. Also, Alves Properties management was top notch.
Stay away from Perry Properties.
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I was saying the same thing to my wife just yesterday Artist.
I'm surprised some developer hasn't taken a block in the pearl area/downtown or West of TU and turned it into an urban neighborhood.
1. Small retail spaces for barber/market/bar type places. Also could have some small office space for accounting, attorneys or the like.
2. Apartment/condos above the retail.
3. Apartment building with ~16 units
4. Several "brown stone" style houses.
Prefer underground parking. If cost prohibitive have an obscure lot.
Negotiate a bus stop with the city, shuttles with TU, etc. to encourage car free living.
Just shooting the breeze here, but it seems workable.
I keep saying how Tulsa needs to offer a "full range of living options". Its not going to really be able to offer the new suburban living option anymore. The suburbs will do that. But yet we are really lagging behind on being able to offer the urban living option. We are going to be losing out to both other cities and the suburbs at the same time.
Hopefully more people, like we have seen come on here asking about urban options, will create the drive for developers to start creating that. Just wish there was some way to jump start and get things moving in that direction a bit quicker and more surely. You still hear about companies not being able to get people to move here because Tusla does not offer the type of living and lifestyle they are used to having. I actually just ran across someone yesterday who moved here for a job... but is now frantically trying to get the heck out of here lol. We say we are a city, but dont "live" like one.
Tulsa has, it seems, always been in that twilight zone, not quite a town, but not a city either. Aaaalmost, lots of potential, but not quite there. I wonder if this next decade will see that finally change?
Many who like living here already, like it because of the way it is, so they arent pushing for or looking for the kind of changes we are talking about. If you dont like it here, your far more likely to simply move, or not move here in the first place. Its rare to find the person who likes it here, but wants to put the effort and work into creating an urban lifestyle. Even the answers we get on here when someone new asks about a good place to stay or live is the perfect example of that bias. The options people on here list are what? Suburban type apartment complexes and neighborhoods. That just seems to be the automatic default assumtion. Then the person requesting informantion has to point out they are looking for, something in or near downtown, a loft apartment etc.
One would hope that the next decade will be full of urban change. For some reason Tulsa pops up on the radar screens of all the big box retailers and restaurant chains, yet we can't seem to close the deal on a major urban infill project. The announcement on Tribune lofts going condo is encouraging. Maybe we figure areas should turn around within five to ten years, and they have in other cities.
It's taken the Brady District almost 20 years to get to where it's at now, but wow, look at the announcements just in the last year- The old Matthews warehouse, Griffin Comm. putting $20 mil in the Brady (to ostensibly make way for new development at their old studio site), apparent updates on the Old Lady, finally some stability with Caz's Chowhouse doing well in a location which seemed to change business hands every six months. Not bad for an area which boasts a jail, Salvation Army, Day Center, and John 3:16 not all that far away.
I think The Pearl and East End represent the next best development opportunities and could provide a clean slate for the kind of development you and CF are talking about. Those are both doable in the next 10 years.
Personally, I love my mid-town environment. The first house I ever owned was just a few houses down from where I live now. I gradually crept out to the burbs and have never been happier than being right back where I started. The burbs have no heart. [;)]
I love my Midtown area too Conan. The problem is with a young family I can not afford the space I want. Frankly, when my boy is a teenager having one common room in the house probably won't cut it (entry, kitchen, living room, and dining room have no real divide). Then his room shares a wall with my wife and I's and the only other room in the house is a den/computer room with maybe 150 Sq feet.
I need a man room for my wet bar, a pool table, and big screen (all of which I need a man room to claim I need). That way the boy and his friends can get away from us civilized types too. Alas, I will probably never be able to afford a midtown home with that kind of space. So in the future (~5 years) my wife and I will have a hard choice.