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American-Indians Plan Protest Of Centennial Celebration
AP - 11/5/2007 3:13 PM - Updated 11/5/2007 4:05 PM
OKLAHOMA CITY (AP) -- A group of American Indians are planning a protest during next week's celebration of Oklahoma's centennial.
Brenda Golden of the Muscogee Creek Nation helped organize what is being called a "survival walk" to remind people of what happened to Native Americans.
Golden says she wants to bring awareness to what American Indians lost with the settlement and statehood of Oklahoma.
The protestors plan to carry a banner reading "Why Celebrate 100 Years of Theft" and will gather November 16 at 9 a.m. in northwest Oklahoma City and march to the state Capitol.
November 16 is the 100th anniversary of Oklahoma becoming a state.
Sore losers....
Heh, I'm glad they're doing it. They certainly have a right to protest. I think their motives, which seem to be of the educational variety, are reasonable.
It's interesting, going back to the Nation-State concept, if that's what we're all about, we should at least cough up a country for them. How about, say, Oklahoma!
Very interesting concept...seceed from the United States and keep our life in Oklahoma run and financed by tribal law.
First, we are going to need our own currency.
To be fair most of them aren't exactly the original inhabitants of this area either. Now if the Commanche, Caddo, Quapaw, Wichita and Osage wanna complain about their land being stolen by the other tribes and the white man I'll listen.
What's the latest line on how many people will march? My bet is in the 50 to 100 range.
To be honest, it was only a few years of theft, 90-someodd years of possessing stolen merchandise.
They "took it" from somebody to.......
Here is my take on the entire Indian situation:
Tribes screwing other tribes certainly predates anything else but... The Europeans systematically screwed the Native Americans. That continued after the US was in charge. Essentially they lost the war and the USA took whatever we wanted, mirroring the previous 15,000 years of human history.
However, at this point I have paid fair price for everything that I have. None of my ancestors were even here to screw the Indians and thus my family as no stolen wealth. That wealth that was stolen has likely bee squandered.
At what point do you decide to relegate transgressions to the past and try to move forward?
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Originally posted by cannon_fodder
Here is my take on the entire Indian situation:
Tribes screwing other tribes certainly predates anything else but... The Europeans systematically screwed the Native Americans. That continued after the US was in charge. Essentially they lost the war and the USA took whatever we wanted, mirroring the previous 15,000 years of human history.
However, at this point I have paid fair price for everything that I have. None of my ancestors were even here to screw the Indians and thus my family as no stolen wealth. That wealth that was stolen has likely bee squandered.
At what point do you decide to relegate transgressions to the past and try to move forward?
We're gonna have to call Jesse and Al to get an answer on that. [:D]
Aw, screw it. Just give them Oklahoma.
It ain't worth much anyway.
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Originally posted by Neptune
Aw, screw it. Just give them Oklahoma.
It ain't worth much anyway.
Eh, they are already taking it back one sick gambler at a time.
I think it is awesome.
Really Tim? Take a look at the improvement for all tribal members due to annexation of Indian lands. The same people who are protesting benefit from our roads, our schools, developments in medicine, jobs outside tribal interests, etc. ad nauseum.
Maybe if the folks running this centennial celebration didn't try to shove some sanitized, disneyfied, historical revisionist account of what exactly we are celebrating in regards to statehood and the centennial down peoples throats they wouldn't be protesting. It never ceases to amaze me how big plates of dysfunction smothered in denial keep getting served up, as the Chefs scratch their heads wondering why people won't shovel it down with a smile and ask for seconds. I plan on being there.
For those fans of Eddie Izzard...here's his version of what happened when the Pilgrams came to America (from "Dressed to Kill"):
"...Ah, this is where our God has brought us to! We can practice our religion here, we can raise a family. There's nobody here!" (Mimes stepping back and bumping into someone) "Excuse me! ...There's nobody here! Yes, a land empty of human existence..." (points over his shoulder) "Who the f**k are these guys?" (mimes a headdress) "What's all this, please? ...No, we don't want any of your food, thank you very much! Just PUT SOME CLOTHES ON!"
"Meanwhile, that winter... 'Excuse me, do you have any food? (mimes the headdress) I LOVE all this, love the idea! Yes, I'm sorry, we were a bit brusque when we first arrived... we didn't realize you OWNED the entire country! (But you have no system of ownership? Hmmm, interesting! Maybe that can come in useful later.) Food! Thank you very much, very nice. Yes, there're more of us coming but we'll keep our promises.'"
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Originally posted by Conan71
Really Tim? Take a look at the improvement for all tribal members due to annexation of Indian lands. The same people who are protesting benefit from our roads, our schools, developments in medicine, jobs outside tribal interests, etc. ad nauseum.
Ahh the burdens of mighty whitey! I would rather have self-determination than a new TV.
This sounds like something worth building another casino over.
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Originally posted by tim huntzinger
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Originally posted by Conan71
Really Tim? Take a look at the improvement for all tribal members due to annexation of Indian lands. The same people who are protesting benefit from our roads, our schools, developments in medicine, jobs outside tribal interests, etc. ad nauseum.
Ahh the burdens of mighty whitey! I would rather have self-determination than a new TV.
What tribe is Huntzinger anyhow?
FWIW, my views are crafted mostly from being closely related by marriage to someone pretty deep in Creek tribal politics and I never heard him complain once about the progress which has come to the tribes since 1907.
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Originally posted by Conan71
What tribe is Huntzinger anyhow?
Killajoke
Seems like a Jewish tribe.
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Originally posted by PonderInc
For those fans of Eddie Izzard...here's his version of what happened when the Pilgrams came to America (from "Dressed to Kill"):
"...Ah, this is where our God has brought us to! We can practice our religion here, we can raise a family. There's nobody here!" (Mimes stepping back and bumping into someone) "Excuse me! ...There's nobody here! Yes, a land empty of human existence..." (points over his shoulder) "Who the f**k are these guys?" (mimes a headdress) "What's all this, please? ...No, we don't want any of your food, thank you very much! Just PUT SOME CLOTHES ON!"
"Meanwhile, that winter... 'Excuse me, do you have any food? (mimes the headdress) I LOVE all this, love the idea! Yes, I'm sorry, we were a bit brusque when we first arrived... we didn't realize you OWNED the entire country! (But you have no system of ownership? Hmmm, interesting! Maybe that can come in useful later.) Food! Thank you very much, very nice. Yes, there're more of us coming but we'll keep our promises.'"
Cake or death?
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Originally posted by sgrizzle
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Originally posted by Conan71
What tribe is Huntzinger anyhow?
Killajoke
Bleeding Heart Nation, Congress Screwed the Native Americans by Renegging on its Agreement Band
Great grannie Jessie's lineage is in question, and because of her dark features, hair, and features was rumoured to be of some Canadian tribal origin. It is just as likely that she was Black Irish, though.
As many people as Congress has screwed over the years, I think we need to demand a new Congressional prophylactic law...
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Originally posted by Johnboy976
Seems like a Jewish tribe.
True story: I had a friend from my college days at UNO (University of New Orleans) who just happened to be Jewish (on his father's side) and Native American (Choctaw, to be exact, on his mother's side). The guy was a laugh and a half on so many things, but really serious when it came to political issues-the kind of guy who could make Al Franken look right-wing!
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Originally posted by tim huntzinger
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Originally posted by sgrizzle
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Originally posted by Conan71
What tribe is Huntzinger anyhow?
Killajoke
Bleeding Heart Nation, Congress Screwed the Native Americans by Renegging on its Agreement Band
Great grannie Jessie's lineage is in question, and because of her dark features, hair, and features was rumoured to be of some Canadian tribal origin. It is just as likely that she was Black Irish, though.
Aw hell Tim, I figured it was the Whinealot Tribe from down on the banks of the Crymeariver... [;)]
Why do you not show up at the protest and tell the nice people they are whiney crybabies, Sir Flapshisgumsalot? [;)]
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Originally posted by tim huntzinger
Why do you not show up at the protest and tell the nice people they are whiney crybabies, Sir Flapshisgumsalot? [;)]
Oh, crap my anonymity is blown! How did you manage to find my real name????? Can I get a mod in here for a cleanup on aisle 5?
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Originally posted by Conan71
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Originally posted by tim huntzinger
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Originally posted by sgrizzle
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Originally posted by Conan71
What tribe is Huntzinger anyhow?
Killajoke
Bleeding Heart Nation, Congress Screwed the Native Americans by Renegging on its Agreement Band
Great grannie Jessie's lineage is in question, and because of her dark features, hair, and features was rumoured to be of some Canadian tribal origin. It is just as likely that she was Black Irish, though.
Aw hell Tim, I figured it was the Whinealot Tribe from down on the banks of the Crymeariver... [;)]
No...obviously he is Chief Nasty donkey of the Nowipee Tribe.
I wipe, get lots of Wavoka off the booty everytime, dirtbag.
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Originally posted by wavoka
Cake or death?
Cake, please! ;)